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New Mac Pro 4k Display..

I think Apple has to come out with its own 4K monitor, hopefully alongside the updated Mac Pro.

Why else would they have introduced Thunderbolt 2 (also on the new rMBPs) and touted its "ability to run three 4K displays simultaneously?" Nobody else is going to make a monitor with TB2 and there are 6 damn ports on the back of the new Mac Pro!

I could be completely wrong but I feel Apple would be shooting itself it the foot if they didn't introduce a new display before 2014...
 
Not That Future said:
I think Apple has to come out with its own 4K monitor, hopefully alongside the updated Mac Pro.

Why else would they have introduced Thunderbolt 2 (also on the new rMBPs) and touted its "ability to run three 4K displays simultaneously?" Nobody else is going to make a monitor with TB2 and there are 6 damn ports on the back of the new Mac Pro!

I could be completely wrong but I feel Apple would be shooting itself it the foot if they didn't introduce a new display before 2014...
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+1

I have been looking at current 4k displays, the Seiki only uses one HDMI 1.4 and is thus limited to 30 hz. The Asus gets around this by using 2 @ HDMI , requiring a GPU that can send signal through both ports.

HDMI 2.0 will solve this.

The Asus does have DP 1.2 which in theory could easily come from a TB2 port.

But I agree with you, advertising "now you can use with 4k displays" but not offering any is like selling a new Corvette and saying "and you can use those nifty new 250 MPH TIRES !!! (Sold separately at a tire dealer of your choosing)"

Feels like a 2nd shoe still held in air, question is really how long til it drops.
 
Not That Future said:
I think Apple has to come out with its own 4K monitor, hopefully alongside the updated Mac Pro.

Why else would they have introduced Thunderbolt 2 (also on the new rMBPs) and touted its "ability to run three 4K displays simultaneously?" Nobody else is going to make a monitor with TB2 and there are 6 damn ports on the back of the new Mac Pro!

I could be completely wrong but I feel Apple would be shooting itself it the foot if they didn't introduce a new display before 2014...
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While I agreed a new 4k monitor would be very nice, I am not sure it's coming now in December as a silent upgrade to the current TB display.
Maybe we might see a new monitor the iMac thin form factor but with the current resolution. I have the feeling the 4k displays might still be one or two years away until prices become more appealing.
 
Not That Future said:
I think Apple has to come out with its own 4K monitor, hopefully alongside the updated Mac Pro.
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Apple previously wasn't in the reference monitor business. They don't have to start now. A huge chunk of the 4K market is folks doing 4K movie editing. In essence, they need TVs, not computer monitors, for that.

Why else would they have introduced Thunderbolt 2 (also on the new rMBPs)
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Same reason as use E5 v2 as oppose E5 v1 . Or 1866GHz RAM instead of 1333GHz RAM , etc. etc.

Thunderbolt 2 can deliver better result if interested in not exactly even PCIe data versus DisplayPort data transfer workloads. If not interested in 4K video traffic then disk I/O througput can go up. Given Apple has chucked all bulk data outside of the Mac Pro that actually might be a good thing to work on. Ditto with the, no HDD in sight, MBP line up. ( yeah the MBP 13" is technically still around but wouldn't know that from the Apple keynote. )


and touted its "ability to run three 4K displays simultaneously?"
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Here is the problem. Thunderbolt is not necessary for 4K display. HDMI 1.4 runs 4K just fine for movie like frame rates ( 'Hobbit' 48 FPS aside).

DisplayPort v1.2 runs 4K just fine.

Thunderbolt is not necessary to have a viable 4K monitor.

Nobody else is going to make a monitor with TB2
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That says something bad about Thunderbolt in general.... not necessary something good about why add it to a Mac Pro.

Two of the 4K monitors hooked to the Mac Pro can easily be DisplayPort (DP) v1.2 monitors and they will work just fine. Thunderbolt's "pass through" mode is in play but TB isn't the big winner here unless it is critical that you add Ethernet/FW/etc ports to your 4K monitor. Frankly I doubt that makes the 10 ten feature list of the vast majority of 4K users right now.


and there are 6 damn ports on the back of the new Mac Pro!
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Which is exactly why you can devote two of those to backwards DP v1.2 mode and suffer little TB connectivity constraints. Bucketloads of TB ports means there is LESS demand for a TB docking station monitor.


I could be completely wrong but I feel Apple would be shooting itself it the foot if they didn't introduce a new display before 2014...
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The prices for high refresh rate, 4K monitors remains very high. The prices will fall dramatically in 12-18 months. If Apple jumps in then with a solid offering then no problems.

When 4K display become affordable at 27" and/or 21.5" sizes then Apple will jump in when can deploy them on the iMac too. 4K in 2014 with an Apple label probably will be an Apple TV. I'm sure there will be some folks who will hook one of those to a Mac Pro.

Yelling "4K , 4K , 4K " is like spec porn star for the video industry right now. It just means you are aligned with the industry hype machine.

Here in 2013, any decent graphics card with proper DP v1.2 support can do 4K. Mac Pro doing 4K just means it is isn't years behind on tech.
 
MacVidCards said:
I have been looking at current 4k displays, the Seiki only uses one HDMI 1.4 and is thus limited to 30 hz. The Asus gets around this by using 2 @ HDMI , requiring a GPU that can send signal through both ports.

HDMI 2.0 will solve this.
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Speaking of HDMI 2.0...

When?
Don't expect to see HDMI 2.0 products this Christmas. At least not in any serious way. The spec comes first, then the chip makers design and build the chips, then TV, Blu-ray, and receiver manufacturers build these chips into TVs, Blu-ray players, and receivers. It's safe to assume that at least one of these stages is already well in progress, but that should result in 2014 models (think CES announcements). Panasonic, on the other hand, is already promising HDMI 2.0 compliance for one of its TVs.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57603018-221/hdmi-2.0-what-you-need-to-know/

If Panasonic can apparently activate it on products shipping in late 2013, why can't the new MacPro add support for HDMI 2.0 after such a long wait?

To me it's a pity considering most TVs only come with HDMI plugs.
 
pro system is no more apple priority.
no 4k monitor, in fact they are pushing 27inch monitor to pro, even though they could easily release 30 inch monitor. 27 inch is same screen as their consumer personal computer. They even price it in a way, buying imac 27 is much worth it.
They knew what the pro market want, they shove a designer computer in their face. Do the pro workstation market care about design, care about noise. apple dun care about the pro market , take the trash can and if you dun like it, go to PC. I dun care, i am selling iphone and ipad. HA HA HA pro market. Meanwhile i am connecting a sharp 4k screen and put on our website. If that is not a strong message for pro to move on, i dun know what.
 
MacVidCards said:
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I have been looking at current 4k displays, the Seiki only uses one HDMI 1.4 and is thus limited to 30 hz. The Asus gets around this by using 2 @ HDMI , requiring a GPU that can send signal through both ports.

HDMI 2.0 will solve this.

The Asus does have DP 1.2 which in theory could easily come from a TB2 port.

But I agree with you, advertising "now you can use with 4k displays" but not offering any is like selling a new Corvette and saying "and you can use those nifty new 250 MPH TIRES !!! (Sold separately at a tire dealer of your choosing)"

Feels like a 2nd shoe still held in air, question is really how long til it drops.
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The new Mac Pro uses HDMI 1.4 according to the product page :

"In creating a pro computer for the future, we wanted to provide an enormous amount of expansion — without being limited to the space inside the enclosure. Designed with built-in Thunderbolt 2, USB 3, Gigabit Ethernet, and HDMI 1.4 ports."
 
I can only imagine anything short of the new Mac Pro pushing a 4k display. 1-2GB cards In the Macbook Pros will fall short trying to push such a massive display/resolution.
 
I wonder if my Mac Pro with 780gtx could push one. Sucks though that I wouldn't be able to use it cuz no tb2 ports
 
jetjaguar said:
I wonder if my Mac Pro with 780gtx could push one. Sucks though that I wouldn't be able to use it cuz no tb2 ports
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Yeah you should have no problem pushing them like the Macbook Pros. Just don't expect to have everything turned up. I ran 670 2GB SLI and kept hitting that 2GB quick. Slapped in a Titan 6GB and for the heck of it, loaded up X-Plane and turned everything up. I was hitting 5GB in no time. 670 SLI = Titan. It's the VRAM that helps.
 
jetjaguar said:
I wonder if my Mac Pro with 780gtx could push one. Sucks though that I wouldn't be able to use it cuz no tb2 ports
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Unless I'm missing something, the 2880 res of the 15" retina is approaching 3k, so 4k wouldn't be a big bump. Provided folks were willing to give up the internal display in the balance.
 
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