oh.. right. i new what you meant.. sort of like a bandaid which has ointment pre applied..I didn't mean instead of thermal paste, I meant to protect pre-applied thermal paste, so installation for factory line workers is as simple as; remove protective layer, screw into place. Likewise for repair shops and tinkerers, except that they'd have to remove any existing paste from the heatsink first.
And so is everyone else that makes CPU and GPU coolers, liquid cooling systems etc. These all use thermal paste to ensure the best possible contact; assuming that Apple has developed a way to avoid this is just a leap too far at this point as there's no evidence to support it yet, and the overwhelming trend suggests they'll use thermal paste just like everybody else. There really is no reason to keep going in circles on that issue:
- Does everyone else use thermal paste? Yes.
- Is there any evidence supporting the claim that Apple doesn't need to do the same? No.
nah.. everyone else doesn't currently use paste all the time.. for instance, aiden was talking about dell's 1time use thermal pads a couple weeks ago:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18406465/
There are two flaws with this line of thinking:
- Apple doesn't want end users doing anything like this at all;
i didn't necessarily mean 'people' as end users only.. i meant all people including repair techs.. just seems like a bad idea to have anyone messing with thermal paste on a vertical element.. not to mention the cleaning compound which will also need to be used in the case of servicing a gpu/cpu with thermal paste on there.. (even worse in the case of a cpu as it's deeper inside the computer)
I don't think anyone is saying that they don't want thermal paste replaced if it can be; if something better becomes available I'd expect the humble paste's days to be numbered. But so far there is zero evidence to suggest that Apple has developed such a technique. Not saying it's not possible either, but right now it's highly unlikely; if we start assuming such things then we might as well not be discussing the new Mac Pro at all, as it could just as easily be using a solid gold PSU, or custom Xeon chips that deliver more PCIe lines than stock Intel ones.
it's not just taking a wild stab at it and saying 'i bet no thermal paste because apple are wizards' (or whatever)
there's obviously a secondary plate of material in between the gpu/cpu and the thermal core.. you can either ignore it and claim 'there's no evidence of the nmp etetc' or do a little research to try to figure out what it is..
it appears to be a graphite heat spreader.. google it
there are lots of pdfs and research papers etc available through that search as well as evidence of large corps who already have graphite spreaders and/or films in their products.. such as panosonic:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/15/panasonic-make-a-10-micron-thick-carbon-phone-heatsink/
intel research:
http://qats.com/cms/2010/05/03/inte...n-ats-thermal-management-technology-analysis/
i won't post all related links but here's a telling video:
http://www.camnano.com
dunno, there's a huge difference between the statements "nobody else is doing such&such" and "i don't know of anybody else doing such&such" ..i mean, have you even looked?
That happened because the thread had devolved into nothing but a circular back and forth of you saying "I assume X" and other people pointing out the assumption is too flimsy to bother discussing, and instead of it just being dropped to move on, it just went round and round, like what is happening now.
In the case of this thread this arguing is drawing us too far off topic; the discussion is supposed to be about whether Apple has gone too far by adding two professional GPUs as standard when many users would be fine with more modest consumer options.
Serviceability has nothing to do with that discussion, as it'd be foolish to by a new Mac Pro with workstation GPUs with a view to swapping them for something cheap but incrementally better, as it just wouldn't make economic sense for a third party to offer the parts, and Apple is very unlikely to do it.
It may be possible to buy D300's or D500's now with a view to upgrading to one of the better GPU pairs in future via parts sites, but that is also something of a stretch at the moment as we don't know if other parts may require changing as well, such as the PSU since 460W seems a bit too low for a pair of W9000's plus a 130W CPU.
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