Gaming monitors have a higher refresh rate than the Apple 6k XDR monitor. This monitor is a specialty tool, not a general purpose screen.
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Gaming monitors have a higher refresh rate than the Apple 6k XDR monitor. This monitor is a specialty tool, not a general purpose screen.
Have a Dell 27" as a second screen on my new iMac, not sure what you're getting at. Power/expandability is going to be highly subjective and based on use case. I have both in my iMac for what I bought it for.
Spent decades building PCs and gaming rigs (still have one), there is nothing my gaming machine does or can be upgraded to do that I feel for quite a few years my iMac will lack, for my needs. When that time comes, I'll sell this iMac (or give it to family) just like I do my PC components, and buy a new one.
I will give you my impression of this computer. Apple has absolutely nailed the top end market with a suitably optioned Mac pro for editing movies. This machine will cost between $10,000 and $20,000 although its possible to spend much more if you are James Cameron or Disney. Its great to see Apple at the top, but they have left behind many video editors that cannot buy it. The base model would satisfy me and some well heeled fans provided you include enough ram and storage (I dont edit video), but for most editors and youtube bloggers they are left with the imac pro that now seems cheap in comparison. So long as you dont mind keeping some data in externals that will have to do.
I do wonder, as a consultant, how many of these i will ever get to work on .... probably just mine when I get around to buying one. I dont think the people that hire me can afford a ncMP.... Its just a shame that there is nothing in between the ncMP and the mac mini thats a headless desktop. This segment has been ignored.
I do wonder, as a consultant, how many of these i will ever get to work on .... probably just mine when I get around to buying one. I dont think the people that hire me can afford a ncMP.... Its just a shame that there is nothing in between the ncMP and the mac mini thats a headless desktop. This segment has been ignored.
The one shown in the Keynote had 8 slots.
Only the 24/28 Core can take 1.5GB and it's not the same RAM. Although 12 slots sounds logical, I am not assuming. Headed to the WWDC today—hope to put my hands on one.
The keynote showed 2993 6 channel 12 slots shown in the image attached.
Have a look at linus tech tips vid he thinks that they will use two different motherboards depending on selected options. Looks like the base will have an 8 slot MB with 2666mhz ram and all the other processor options will run 12 slots at 2933mhz.
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Uhm, it'll be good for gaming why exactly...? It's good for color correction in pro video workflows, gaming -- from what I have seen lately -- is much more about the higher than 60Hz refresh rate, which the brand new Apple monitor sticks with.
As a reference point, gaming laptops are very typically going @ 120Hz, 144Hz or 240Hz lately.
It's a really nice monitor for people who need its features and a significant price drop for reference monitors in the same price range -- and includes optional $1K modern art stand
But it's doing absolutely nothing to address the needs of gamers (slow refresh and screen artifacts @ 60Hz).
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The 8 core xeon will perform similarly to the i9 9900k in the iMac and in certain respects the i9 will perform better because. The base clock is 3.5 and will boost to 4, the i9 is a 3.6 but will boost to 5 its single core performance is roughly 20% better. Although the Mac Pro has better cooling and can sustain from in-depth testing the i9 will run anywhere from 4-4.8 stably under load. Multicore will be roughly the same as this chip is a slightly quicker version than the base line iMac Pro.
The 580X is a pro version but its 4 year old tech on old architecture. The Vega 48 is still a mid range card but will perform better and cooler because its more efficient.
Plus an i9 vega 48 32gb ram and 512gb ssd is $3849 and the ram upgrade is $600 of that. You can do it yourself for $180, so $3429 including the 5k display which is excellent. The Mac Pro is double the price with no display.
The higher tier Mac Pros are very special machines with some incredible tech that will be worth the money but the base model in all honesty is a joke, the iMac Pro is better value and will perform better out of the box. I think they probably should have started it at a 12 core or made this similar to the entry level of the previous Mac Pros like $2999.
TBh the base model I don't think should exist, if you clock up its component cost its roughly $3000 but yet starts at $5999 this is the most expensive Mac Pro ever made. If you want to watch some other opinions as to why the base Mac Pro doesn't really make sense vs iMac Pro and iMac have a watch of this.
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That's just silly. It only works if you have no idea what the components cost. Everything in the new Mac Pro is already on the market—either inside an existing Mac, in a high end Win box or can be ordered online with the exception of the Vega Pro Duo and Pro Duo II.
Except for the 24/28 Core, the RAM and SSD is what is already being used in the Mini and iMac Pro and we already know those prices. And we know what the CPUs and 128GB RAM costs—they are being used in high end Windows machines right now.
The 256GB SSD storage minimum tells us it's the same media as the Mini as are the 512G/1T/2TB options. The iMac Pro uses the same SSDs but 1/2/4TB. Except for the 256GB, these are pairs set up in RAID 0 (sort of) controlled by the T2. The upgrade prices should be as follows: 512GB-$200, 1TB—$600, 2TB—$1,200, 4TB—$2,400
2666MHz DDR4 RAM Upgrade prices from Apple should be $400/2,000/5,200 for 64/128/256GB respectively. The Mini has 2 slots while the iMP has 4. With 12 slots available, it's easy to do the math. OWC has the 32 and 64GB modules — 768GB (64G x12) will run $6,837. The 24 & 28 Core take faster RAM and can handle 128G sticks as referenced in the article. This is not new tech.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-will-1-5tb-of-ram-for-your-mac-pro-actually-cost/
The competition can cost as much as $150,000 + monitor. Ok, there are a few big differences—the top of the line Maya box rendering stations are using pairs of the Platinum 8180 @ $11,000 ea to get 56 cores. Apple is probably using the 28 core 3175X underclocked to 2.7 with a $treet of $3k—a quite similar CPU but it can't be ganged with another 28 core. This means that 28 is the max for the first release (I expect higher available core counts within two years). Even still, I think that $50K per the article for a tricked out 7.1 may be wishful thinking.
Based on what is out there and what we know Apple charges for the Mini and iMac Pro, a 16 core with 128GB RAM and 2TB storage will be $9,400 + monitor depending on if the price of the Vega Pro Duo upgrade is around $2,000—that's the only component whose $treet price isn't known. BTW, no one is saying that you need the new $5,000 monitor if you aren't doing really high end graphics, film or animation. Stay with the 580x GPU and an LG 5K ($1,300 for the 27"–$1,500 for the 34") and the whole thing comes in under $9,000 by my estimate. Use a 4K monitor to drop the price another $600–$1000
https://www.lg.com/us/4k-monitors
My iMP (14 Core 128G RAM 2T SSD Vega 64) by comparison is $9,749 or $8,289 in the Refurb Store. I was about to spend around $7,300+$169 AppleCare+$675tax on a Refurb (10 core 64G 2T Vega 56) when I found mine used for less including AppleCare.
So, please be specific: Exactly how is the new Mac Pro overpriced? What can Apple do to bring the price down?
Those who have been buying 8 core iMPs and tricking them with aftermarket RAM and larger Xenon CPUs find out the hard way that Apple is charging market price on BTO upgrades. One guy showed us how on YouTube and saved $18 while another saved $9 doing the same thing. Now as iMPs hit the used market, that will be more common as there will be a real price savings starting with used.
Apple always does this. It offers a limited basic spec to entice buyers to upgrade the base options at inflated prices.
The base ssd size on the new mac pro is as insulting as the base video card is for that level of computer.
That's just silly. It only works if you have no idea what the components cost. Everything in the new Mac Pro is already on the market—either inside an existing Mac, in a high end Win box or can be ordered online with the exception of the Vega Pro Duo and Pro Duo II.
Except for the 24/28 Core, the RAM and SSD is what is already being used in the Mini and iMac Pro and we already know those prices. And we know what the CPUs and 128GB RAM costs—they are being used in high end Windows machines right now.
The 256GB SSD storage minimum tells us it's the same media as the Mini as are the 512G/1T/2TB options. The iMac Pro uses the same SSDs but 1/2/4TB. Except for the 256GB, these are pairs set up in RAID 0 (sort of) controlled by the T2. The upgrade prices should be as follows: 512GB-$200, 1TB—$600, 2TB—$1,200, 4TB—$2,400
2666MHz DDR4 RAM Upgrade prices from Apple should be $400/2,000/5,200 for 64/128/256GB respectively. The Mini has 2 slots while the iMP has 4. With 12 slots available, it's easy to do the math. OWC has the 32 and 64GB modules — 768GB (64G x12) will run $6,837. The 24 & 28 Core take faster RAM and can handle 128G sticks as referenced in the article. This is not new tech.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-will-1-5tb-of-ram-for-your-mac-pro-actually-cost/
The competition can cost as much as $150,000 + monitor. Ok, there are a few big differences—the top of the line Maya box rendering stations are using pairs of the Platinum 8180 @ $11,000 ea to get 56 cores. Apple is probably using the 28 core 3175X underclocked to 2.7 with a $treet of $3k—a quite similar CPU but it can't be ganged with another 28 core. This means that 28 is the max for the first release (I expect higher available core counts within two years). Even still, I think that $50K per the article for a tricked out 7.1 may be wishful thinking.
Based on what is out there and what we know Apple charges for the Mini and iMac Pro, a 16 core with 128GB RAM and 2TB storage will be $9,400 + monitor depending on if the price of the Vega Pro Duo upgrade is around $2,000—that's the only component whose $treet price isn't known. BTW, no one is saying that you need the new $5,000 monitor if you aren't doing really high end graphics, film or animation. Stay with the 580x GPU and an LG 5K ($1,300 for the 27"–$1,500 for the 34") and the whole thing comes in under $9,000 by my estimate. Use a 4K monitor to drop the price another $600–$1000
https://www.lg.com/us/4k-monitors
My iMP (14 Core 128G RAM 2T SSD Vega 64) by comparison is $9,749 or $8,289 in the Refurb Store. I was about to spend around $7,300+$169 AppleCare+$675tax on a Refurb (10 core 64G 2T Vega 56) when I found mine used for less including AppleCare.
So, please be specific: Exactly how is the new Mac Pro overpriced? What can Apple do to bring the price down?
Those who have been buying 8 core iMPs and tricking them with aftermarket RAM and larger Xenon CPUs find out the hard way that Apple is charging market price on BTO upgrades. One guy showed us how on YouTube and saved $18 while another saved $9 doing the same thing. Now as iMPs hit the used market, that will be more common as there will be a real price savings starting with used.
Think you miss read my post. I meant that the base model specifically not the rest of the machine. It should have followed the old Mac Pro price structure as in the 8 core 256 580 x should have followed the old price structure. You can spec the base model yourself it would cost less than £3k as separate components. So really your paying £3k premium for a chassis that doesn't even have a filter system...
They should have ditched this model entirely as the iMac Pro is a far better value machine out of the box with a 5k display and a better spec. for £1000 less.
Otherwise they should have ditched a base model entirely and started the machine as a 12 core, kept the 12 ram slots prices as you would expect probably 10k+ made it the niche machine it is.
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I'm glad to see Linus still hasn't gotten over Apple telling him no... Maybe the new Mac Pro brought out some of his emotions LOL
Beautiful machine, and I would quite like one - but ... it's way too expensive for me, and, to be honest, I don't need it for the work I do. Back in 2005 I paid £3,000 for the G5 (and it's still running); I suppose $6,000 reflects inflation since then.
I get ya and agree. The base model is pointless, IMO, and should have begun at 12 or 16 cores.
The one thing you can’t expand in the Mini, iMP and new Mac Pro is the storage. It’s not soldered contrary to popular rumor but we’re told that it is serialized to the T2 chip. Really? WTF? Since you can’t buy the blades on the aftermarket, there’s no way to test this.
Otherwise, I could see buying a stripped down base model —a functioning chassis if you will— and upgrading the components over time as your needs (and budget) evolve but the inability to upgrade internal storage quashes that. Before someone goes on about external storage, there are many reasons why onboard storage is superior beginning with APFS Snapshots in case something goes awry.
Is this the same ssd ? ALSO, We really need to find out if this computer boots from any pcie mounted nvme ssd ....
https://beetstech.com/product/1tb-solid-state-drive-sspolaris-661-03563
I’ll buy one and take it out of my kids education fund ... they’ll never know!!!
This is the 1TB NVMe blade from the 2017 or 2019 iMac and will also work in the 2015 as long as it’s running High Sierra or Mojave. It is way, way, way overpriced by 3x or more. The Aura X2 Pro has the same functionality for $249 (1T) or $599 (2T)
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/macbook-pro-retina-display/2013-2014-2015
And the Samsung 970 EVO is even faster for less
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-250GB-MZ-V7E250BW/dp/B07C8Y31G1?th=1
Plus a $1o pin out adapter
https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Conver...apter+mac&qid=1560559178&s=electronics&sr=1-5
This is not what’s sitting in the Mini, iMac Pro or the new Mac Pro. Those are using proprietary storage with the controller on the 2T chip, not in the blade. Except for the 256GB version in the Mini and new Mac Pro, these blades are pairs a RAID 0 configuration.
We already know. It won’t.
It will boot from a TB3 external NVMe such as the Samsung X5. Though that will save money, you lose some of the advantages of having the storage onboard including top speed and APFS Snapshots unless you wipe the OS from the internal. Again, identical to the Mini and iMP in this regard.
If you have the heavy lifting requirements that compel the new New Pro, are you really going to slow it down a bit by booting from an external? I can see doing it with the Mini, I suppose, perhaps the iMP (but that starts at 1TB).
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Just because there is a raid controller on the t2 chip it does not mean that other ssds, with the correct pins or an adapter, will not work. It depends on the way the t2 has been programmed. It may be possible to format new ssds in these slots, or simply not use them at all and boot from a samsung 970 pro in one of the pcie slots, with no loss of performance (over a single 256 apple ssd with which the base model ships) As far as I know we will have to wait and see ?
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Tell us how it works out, ok?
What do you not understand about the storage being identical to the Mini and iMac Pro? We already know the answers to this.
Actually, there will be a way to add internal storage but whether it will be practical to make it RAID 0 and the boot drive depends on firmware.
I'm done here.
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sorry i am not meaning to argue about this , the real story remains to be seen. Certainly if the controller for the ssd is on the T2 chip then you will need to get the same ssd family, perhaps on ebay. I could , say , get the base model mac pro on sale and find another 256 from someone on ebay and set up a raid. 512 is all i need for a primary hd. Or you may be able to get a pair of larger ssds from another source. Or you can ignore the apple ssd slots altogether and put an nvme blade in one of the other slots. It all remains to be seen how annoying it is to do this .... certainly if there is a do not remove or void warranty sticker on the ssd from apple it would give me pause, after spending this much money !
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