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Was talking not only about saving files in the cloud but also cloud computing which requires your data to be uploaded.

Yeah, I don't think that was at all what Apple was thinking about with the new Mac Pro, besides stuff like onsite rendering farms.

if they were thinking that, the Mac Pro would look much more like a Mac Mini. Why bother doing anything beyond dual or quad core? Why bother with Fire Pro level cards? Why bother doing anything more than integrated graphics? Why have so many Thunderbolt ports? Just doesn't fit.
 
I hated thunderbolt peripherals. I have my classic mac pro with an apple 513gb pcie blade, 16tb of storage and a soon to be gtx 980 mvc...i like to be able just to have everything internal and hide it under my desk...it runs 24/7 and crushes any task i throw its way thanks to the dual 5690's..i have dual 27 cinemas displays and everything just works. ..the thought of having d700's for the life of the computer makes me uncomfortable.. I like to believe that i can always upgrade my graphics card even tho i think the 900series will be the last batch the cmp will support.
 
I bought one, mainly consolidate a couple of larger computers onto a single platform that I use for VMware and photo processing. While I like the cylinder design and having fast external storage works pretty well, I also get the argument about having a larger case for the Mac Pro.

Here's what I think Apple should have done. Release what is the current nMP as the 'X Mac', the model between the mini and the Mac Pro and then revamp the Mac Pro in large case with more expansion potential so it can compete directly with the HP Z820 and Dell Precision T7600 - loads of PCI-e slots, loads of drive bays with on-board RAID (or ZFS in the OS?), multiple CPU's, easily removable PSU's, max supported RAM 1TB +, and support for both Nvidia and AMD GPU's, including Tesla. It's not as 'innovative' but sometimes people just want a good strong workhorse with their OS of choice.

No matter how much marketing people try and convince us, style doesn't out do substance. If the mac pro looks crap, but performs brilliantly I'm happy, but if it looks great and performs like a piece of crap then I'm not so happy. Simple really.

1 TERABYTE OF RAM?! WTF?! You mean storage space! No consumer PC can utilize 1 TERABYTE OF RAM :eek:
 
if they were thinking that, the Mac Pro would look much more like a Mac Mini. Why bother doing anything beyond dual or quad core? Why bother with Fire Pro level cards? Why bother doing anything more than integrated graphics? Why have so many Thunderbolt ports? Just doesn't fit.

They can't give you a networked terminal and cloud computing overnight and they still have to make profit from hardware components along the road towards that vision.
 
Meh, I know this is going to sound silly, but I think for those that really want a tower, the prospect of a machine with a bunch of external boxes and dongles and crap hanging off it must be really frustrating.

The add-on cases don't really make that better either. I dunno. They could shoot a bunch of birds with 1 stone by making a mid-size rackmount I suppose. Not an XServe, but a 4U unit that can actually run really quietly and still fit under a desk. It'd probably sell really well to shops that like to rack mount their machines too.

*shrug* Ah well. It's a nice aspirational machine. Admittedly, I doubt I'd ever need more than 1 PCIe slot in my desktop anyway. It's just NICE to have. Then again, I have a couple of SSDs and a couple of hard drives in my desktop right now lol.
 
I hated thunderbolt peripherals. I have my classic mac pro with an apple 513gb pcie blade, 16tb of storage and a soon to be gtx 980 mvc...i like to be able just to have everything internal and hide it under my desk...it runs 24/7 and crushes any task i throw its way thanks to the dual 5690's..i have dual 27 cinemas displays and everything just works. ..the thought of having d700's for the life of the computer makes me uncomfortable.. I like to believe that i can always upgrade my graphics card even tho i think the 900series will be the last batch the cmp will support.

There will be more Maxwells and Pascals for PCIE too during the transition to NVLINK and they are said to be more energy efficient than Kepler and current Maxwell. NVidia state they will continue to support PCIE and that Nvlink will require specific CPUs that support the architecture. Which probably means high performance super computers will be using it before it goes mainstream.

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/nvidia-nvlink-technology-mar25-2014-uk.html

There isn't any 'desktop' or gaming software on the horizon that can take advantage of the massive bandwidth Nvidia is aiming for - not for at least five years, so Nvidia has to support all the millions of computers with PCIE slots in the world.

The main issue the Mac Pro tower faces is supplying power to PCIE graphics cards. That can be solved best if someone engineers a replacement power supply that has all the cabling the Mac needs. If the next gen Maxwell and Pascal have TDPs under 200w then you're all good.
 
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As now a flashed 4,1 owner who will soon max this out from 6 to 12 cores I'm also a fan of the 6,1 having prepped many for clients in bootcamp and done a few unofficial Xeon upgrades too.

They are radically different - one the all in one single or dual Xeon workstation box which holds all your gear in just the one unit to interface with PC type PCIe cards we were sold on the concept in the first place.

The other a marvellous silent compact single core Xeon unit, the quietest PC full I have ever NOT heard under full load which requires in my case noisy external enclosures and in its current Intel chipset configuration cannot offer the same expansion via PCIe, perhaps not even until the 8,1 with the Broadwell or even 9,1 with the Skylake Xeon platform.

Though I expect the 7,1 to be pretty much logic board upgrades for the CPU and GPU cards I do think it is a shame that Apple do not offer a long term upgradeable modular dual socket single box solution in addition to what is essentially a Mac Pro Mini in the range. That would enable them overnight to take a very strong foothold back in the high end pro market which they have deserted inexplicably and maddeningly with the 6,1 and FCPX.
 
Blessing and Curse

undoubtedly the new Mac Pro is a blessing and a curse - I am thinking to get the next generation one and wanted the current generation all the time.

But I also will miss the oMP. I own a 2006 that runs as my server at the moment and will soon at a 4,1 or 5,1 as a project to be fitted out with two CPUs and a GTX 680 (maybe) or whatever card I will decide on then.

I prefer the massive amount of expansion the oMP offers in any case. New hard drive? three seconds and it is done. No need for external drives etc.

But with the new one I ad one thunderbolt enclosure and I am good to go as well. On top it is more silent and easier to move around if I want to. It takes less space and looks stunning. And if there are third party GPU upgrades we are in heaven as well.
 
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But with the new one I ad one thunderbolt enclosure and I am good to go as well. On top it is more silent and easier to move around if I want to. It takes less space and looks stunning. And if there are third party GPU upgrades we are in heaven as well.

There won't be any GPU upgrades for the nMP. Even when MXM existed in Macs and PCs it was almost entirely shunned. The problem is not just the high cost of engineering a custom card and interface to run at very low power, the other problem is you can't update the HDMI or Thunderbolt video outputs even if you can upgrade the GPU. If a future 6K or 8K monitor required DisplayPort 2.0 or HDMI 3.0 or a new connector shape then it's a no go for nMP. So what are users going to do? Upgrade the whole nMP? Nah, just buy a computer with PCIE slots.
 
For me, since the since them mid 1980's the mac has always been a tool, the P.C the project. It was a lot of fun tweaking P.C,s until you and to get some work done on them. Most of my professional career sun micro systems was the platform of choice, but the mac operating system sure would have been nice on a sun.

I converted back to a mac a little over a year ago and just upgraded my iMac with a mac pro. One of the issue with technology is creating a project out of a tool. When you understand the value of a standard high speed interface, from rs232 to thunderbolt, then realize the modular concept in the correct direction.

My Mac Pro was a impulse buy, when I went to look at the new 5K i Mac, and for the job I have to do, the Mac Pro was a better tool. I was ignorant where the technology was, but the Mac OS is a huge improvement over my dos machines. The Mac Pro is a better tool than my iMac.

There is a question if this Mac Pro platform will be the platform to drive modular computing. In using technology for a job, instead of building it, it is clear there is a drive to control technology for what ever reason, instead of building quality tools. It was clear in business, if you do not own your technology, you do not own your business.

This move to let the cloud own the technology will be a disaster. The cloud as a tools valuable. If thunderbolt 2 can actually drive pcie devices, than I have an expandable modular system. At the moment, I have 34 TB of external drives on 6 different drives. I have a five drive raid I just unplugged from my imac and plugged into mac pro. I also understand the work from moving a five drive raid from an internal system.

It sure makes a lot of sense to let the monitor handle the video processing for that screen, even though I will not like the price. An external rendering processor would also be great.

I bought the Mac Pro, because it has had the reputation of being a professional grade tool. I am not upset it does not have the latest gadgety of a P.C, or that is in not the top gaming machine on the market. I was upset that my Mac Pro started to automatically uploading photos to the cloud because I did not disable in on a user I set up. I was even more pissed when there was no way to delete those useless pictures from the cloud that I can find, and that they will now download to every users I set up, unless I disable photos on that user. As a tool, the cloud is a mess. I would rather have a local cloud and the option to sync part of my local cloud to the apple cloud.

The bigger issue with my Mac Pro, is I do not think the users of the Mac Pro have the support Apple. As a professional, when I move up into a professional platform, I want to know your 5 year plan for the project. You cannot sell to a large corporate customer without disclosing this. My project does not have the same clout as a Ford or GE, but I have the needs. That forward direction seems to be lacking from the Mac Pro platform and Apple in general. I do not what to be surprised by the next generation mac pro like an i phone.

I have 15 years worth of work, and just transferred all my raw videos in the FCP libraries. If Apple follows Adobe's model, I am screwed. You buy tools to do jobs, you cannot conform job to fit the tools.

I am also impressed with the quality of the Mac Pro. I love the coffee warming function and am glad most of the older people who would mistake it for an ash tray are not longer around. I have been moving and processing videos for a couple of weeks now and while the base unit is not barn burning fast, it runs cooler and quieter than the iMac. I may even move the drive farm behind the wall into the furnace room to make it even quieter.

The cheap 4k monitor is good enough, I can upgrade the CPU in a couple of years when the price is cheaper. A big thunderbolt external SSD would be great. So while it is not the bleeding edge it is a pretty good tool.
 
I am also impressed with the quality of the Mac Pro. I love the coffee warming function and am glad most of the older people who would mistake it for an ash tray are not longer around. I have been moving and processing videos for a couple of weeks now and while the base unit is not barn burning fast, it runs cooler and quieter than the iMac. I may even move the drive farm behind the wall into the furnace room to make it even quieter.
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Did you use Google Translate? :p
 
1 TERABYTE OF RAM?! WTF?! You mean storage space! No consumer PC can utilize 1 TERABYTE OF RAM :eek:

No, I meant RAM and I'm not talking about consumer PC's I'm talking about workstations that use server chipsets. A lot of dual socket workstations can have 512GB RAM without issue, and lots of 2-socket CPU servers can have 1.5TB RAM. And yes these do exist as I have installed loads of them. In theory the nMP should be able to support 256GB RAM, but nobody is making 64GB DDR3 DIMMs only 32GB so the maximum available right now is 128GB.

Why so much memory? I often use the 64GB in my NMP building test environments in VMware. Yes I know I could do this more efficiently on a small server, but I don't have space for one. There have also been other threads asking for support for 128 and 256GB RAM in the nMP so some people have legitimate requirements for more than 64GB RAM. Remember this is supposed to be a workstation not a consumer-grade PC.

Personally I don't think Apple went far enough with the specs of the nMP and they should have three models of desktop excluding the iMac - the Mini, the Mac and the Mac Pro. The Mac is what the current nMP should be and the Mac Pro should be on another level altogether.
 
In theory the nMP should be able to support 256GB RAM, but nobody is making 64GB DDR3 DIMMs only 32GB so the maximum available right now is 128GB.

Correct me if I am wrong but OS X only supports up to 128GB RAM and that only began with Mavericks. Some people still say 96GB is the max.
 
No, I meant RAM and I'm not talking about consumer PC's I'm talking about workstations that use server chipsets. A lot of dual socket workstations can have 512GB RAM without issue, and lots of 2-socket CPU servers can have 1.5TB RAM.

From the Z840 home page...

The pros are moving from Mac to Z.
 

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When they were announced I bought a 2012 5,1 machine to try and surf over the 6,1 release and make it to the 2nd generation of this thing.

I have no issues with the machine itself (I actually really want one) but over the years I've slowly trained myself to avoid first-generation Apple designs. (Not because of flaws but because the second update always seems to be the biggest improvement jump of all generations.)

But we'll see. My 5,1 is still doing fine so I thought I'd make it, but depending on how an upcoming job contract goes there's a strong chance I'll need a second tower in February and I'm not going to buy an old tower at this point. So my waiting may have been for naught. Oh well.

This was my thinking too. I bought a 3,1 used to upgrade from my old Macbook Pro and see what the 6,1 might look like; a few months ago I decided it made more sense to sell the 3,1 while the cash for it was good and put that into upgrading to a 5,1; all in all it cost me only about $250 for the upgrade once the selling price of the 3,1 was applied.

I'm holding out probably for at least another year with this, because I can still get what I need done on it, and all my games run fine. I'm never one to go for the first gen anything.


Ugh. Reminds me of why I hate "testimonial" campaigns.

“Our Mac was taking twelve hours to render one of these like, ten second little graphics, and with our new Z Workstation, the first one we did, it rendered in two hours – at full resolution.”

I can put out our whiz-bang studio countdown in 4K for a 2008 Mac Pro and it only takes two hours. Anecdotes are meaningless, and why the hell would I trust the people shilling on official sites? (Goes for Apple's stuff too.)
 
This was my thinking too. I bought a 3,1 used to upgrade from my old Macbook Pro and see what the 6,1 might look like; a few months ago I decided it made more sense to sell the 3,1 while the cash for it was good and put that into upgrading to a 5,1; all in all it cost me only about $250 for the upgrade once the selling price of the 3,1 was applied.

I'm holding out probably for at least another year with this, because I can still get what I need done on it, and all my games run fine. I'm never one to go for the first gen anything.



Ugh. Reminds me of why I hate "testimonial" campaigns.



I can put out our whiz-bang studio countdown in 4K for a 2008 Mac Pro and it only takes two hours. Anecdotes are meaningless, and why the hell would I trust the people shilling on official sites? (Goes for Apple's stuff too.)

He's referring to the up to 2 terabytes of ram bit which is a response to a response.
 
Imagine how wild this forum is going to get when cMP owners will be installing NVME drives in their X16 slot to get around 3GB/s read and write performance while first and second gen nMP owners will just be reading the benchmarks and sit there crying.
 
To me the direction that Apple has taken with the Macs is heartbreaking. Meanwhile HP is working hard with the Z line to really meet professionals' and über-enthusiasts' needs.

The EliteDesk group is also an excellent line of sturdy, well-made computers that often cost well within high-end Mac mini prices but offer a lot of upgrade-ability and three-year warranties.

So sad...
 
Correct me if I am wrong but OS X only supports up to 128GB RAM and that only began with Mavericks. Some people still say 96GB is the max.

Maybe, but when competitors have more why limit it? This was my point, Apple didn't go far enough with the specs of the nMP.
 

Exactly, why are Apple limiting the nMP to 64GB when their competitors have 512GB? Users of these machines aren't wanting something that looks nice they want performance, scaleability, reliability, application compatibility, etc.

I'd quite happily ditch the second GPU on the nMP in favour of a second CPU, extra RAM slots. The ability to add a second SSD wouldn't go amiss either.
 
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