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LOL... thanks for the laugh. Perhaps I can return the favor... :p

My girlfriends daughter's classmate heard Apple is definitely switching the Mac Pro over to AMD CPUs and said they are switching away from an aluminum tower chassis to a plexiglass donut shape to mimic the new Apple headquarters being planned in Cupertino. This new design is due any day now. :p ;)

That sucker better be wall mountable. I'm not stuffing any donut under the desk.
 
some, like a poster above, were against the update this summer, so maybe better sources/opinions are more valuable. I am all in for new MPs this summer. The processors aren't the only things that matter. There is TB, different casing, etc etc. In the MR buyer's guide one should trust
You want a new MP. We get that.

But you're grasping at straw men to validate the desire for it to show up when you want it to.

As per the buyer's guide, it's not that accurate (as mentioned by Cindori, it's just a timer). As I mentioned before, search MR's MP threads on this, and you'll see the disappointment of past releases not meeting the avg. days per update.

VirtualRain and Cindori; thanks for the humor!

Got to agree here; Unless the rumored Apple exclusive Intel chip is so superior when combined with new MP/ Lion server that IT managers world wide are going to be asking to increase their budgets to revamp entire server networks with pure Macs.
I don't see this happening, even if the next MP + Lion is the best thing since sliced bread, as there's other considerations besides hardware costs that could cause the brakes to engage for some, if not most large scale enterprise operations (migration issues, training, existing software investments).

...a whole lot would be riding on the chip "not available to pc's"
I don't see Intel doing this, as they need volume sales for components to be profitable. And despite Apple's desires, I don't see them being able to produce enough systems to be a sole buyer for Thunderbolt.

And there's evidence this is the case, as TB chips have already been sold to Sony (not getting into the different port, as that itself has nothing to do with the TB chip itself).

But in a world where new bullet proof MP servers are running massive clouds and networks, and the average workstation is a 19" or 24" touch pad (Job's vision, not mine).. maybe there is something to the Mac only Intel CPU;):)
Maybe, but it's a long shot IMO, as even if it's a custom design from Intel, there's a strong likelihood that it's just modifications of an existing design (that's all the custom chip for the Air was - it was even sitting on a shelf as it were, and only needed to be dusted off and updated a bit).

I see Apple's implementation differences coming down to their software, not the hardware (from a circuits POV, Apple uses the same parts and reference designs as other vendors). There are differences in areas that Intel doesn't make parts for, such as what's used to create voltage regulators for example, but we're not talking about the main components. The CPU, chipset, and ICH sorts of parts are all Intel for an Intel based board, and the same in systems that are designed for the same CPU's.
 
some, like a poster above, were against the update this summer, so maybe better sources/opinions are more valuable. I am all in for new MPs this summer. The processors arent the only things that matter. There is TB, different casing, etc etc. In the MR buyer's guide one should trust

Yes. Let's all take sides for simplicities sake. As stated earlier, users on this forum are only trying to HELP people with their purchasing decisions. Mainly so you don't go buy and they release a new model in 30 days or similar. Tech shifts happen often and I know I don't get a call letting me know when they do and I have meetings with Apple (they do not leak anything). All his leaves me scrambling to shift directions on their whim. Well, I've chosen this ecosystem and have to live with all the secrecy. Macrumors has been hands down the best place to get honest answers and opinions free of Apple's forum delete machines. I do not think there are better sources except for the few who dare to break their NDA for publicity sake. Maybe watch an Apple employee's twitter page who is known for having a drinking problem. Maybe something will slip.
If I were you I would concentrate on contributing to the cause instead of pointing childish fingers.
 
b. When new CPU's do hit in Q4, what will Apple do? Release a new Mac Pro, again? I don't think 4 months are large enough time span for a Mac Pro generation.

Maybe not, but it has happened before. They released the G1 MacPro in August 2006, with the Clovertown update following in April, 2007.


With Lion, Thunderbolt and an otherwise completely refreshed product line, it kind of looks bad to not upgrade the MacPro.

Even if the bespoke CPU rumor is a dud, a case redesign, ThB, GPU update and Lion are all reason enough to call it new.
 
Maybe not, but it has happened before. They released the G1 MacPro in August 2006, with the Clovertown update following in April, 2007.


With Lion, Thunderbolt and an otherwise completely refreshed product line, it kind of looks bad to not upgrade the MacPro.

Even if the bespoke CPU rumor is a dud, a case redesign, ThB, GPU update and Lion are all reason enough to call it new.

yep, very sage commentary
 
LOL... thanks for the laugh. Perhaps I can return the favor... :p

My girlfriends daughter's classmate heard Apple is definitely switching the Mac Pro over to AMD CPUs and said they are switching away from an aluminum tower chassis to a plexiglass donut shape to mimic the new Apple headquarters being planned in Cupertino. This new design is due any day now. :p ;)

Are you sure about the plexiglass, I heard it was transparent aluminum. ;)

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b. When new CPU's do hit in Q4, what will Apple do? Release a new Mac Pro, again? I don't think 4 months are large enough time span for a Mac Pro generation.

Maybe not, but it has happened before. They released the G1 MacPro in August 2006, with the Clovertown update following in April, 2007.


With Lion, Thunderbolt and an otherwise completely refreshed product line, it kind of looks bad to not upgrade the MacPro.

Even if the bespoke CPU rumor is a dud, a case redesign, ThB, GPU update and Lion are all reason enough to call it new.

How, when the only thing I couldn't already just upgrade myself with my current machine is the case. Last time I checked the case didn't decrease my render-times in CAD, or allow me to get designs pushed out the door faster.

What's next, people saying that apple will be adding blue LEDS to their new plexiglass dounut mac pro? (not being serous about that) you sound like a PC gamer, not a professional in the market for a high end workstation. Your logic may be sound for consumer products, but the Mac Pro isn't a consumer machine by any means
 
Im not an expert on this because I never had a MP and obviously I have no idea of how Apple manages their enterprise/professional focused market (BTW I receive an 8 core MP this Thursday that I purchased on eBay at good price), but I think that a new model now, between July & August, is viable. Just take in mind that there're 4 models of Mac Pro now:

- 4 core (optional: 6 core)
- 8 core (optional: 2x 6 core)
- 12 core
- 4 core server (optional: 6 core / 2x 4 core / 2x 6 core)

Well, so why not new Mac Pros like this?:

--------------- July or August - LGA 1155 socket - Enthusiast-grade MPs:
- 4 core (actual Sandy Bridge i7)
- 8 core (2x 4 core actual Sandy Bridge i7)
--------------- After 2012 an update of the remaining two models with new SB processors and the new LGA 2011 socket, rackable case by default or optional - Enterprise/professional-grade MPs:
- 12 core (2x 6 core NEW Sandy Bridge Xeon) (optional: 2x 8 core NEW Sandy Bridge Xeon) (Yeah, MASSIVE 16 core & 32 threads in total) -> Guys, sell your car and spend the money on this
- 4 core server (NEW SB Xeon) (optional: 6 core NEW SB Xeon / 8 core NEW SB Xeon / both in 2x configuration)

No, I don't consume LSD, thats only an idea.

P.D.: Sorry for my grammar mistakes, I realize that my english is not perfect.
 
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Im not an expert on this because I never had a MP and obviously I have no idea of how Apple manages their enterprise/professional focused market (BTW I receive an 8 core MP this Thursday that I purchased on eBay at good price), but I think that a new model now, between July & August, is viable. Just take in mind that there're 4 models of Mac Pro now:

- 4 core (optional: 6 core)
- 8 core (optional: 2x 6 core)
- 12 core
- 4 core server (optional: 6 core / 2x 4 core / 2x 6 core)

Well, so why not a new Mac Pros like this:

- 4 core (actual Sandy Bridge i7)
- 8 core (2x 4 core actual Sandy Bridge i7)
--------------- Before 2012 an update of the rest two models with rackable case by default or optional:
- 12 core (2x 6 core NEW Sandy Bridge Xeon - socket 2011) (optional: 2x 8 core NEW Sandy Bridge Xeon - socket 2011) (Yeah, MASSIVE 16 core & 32 threads in total) -> Guys, sell your car and spend the money on this
- 4 core server (NEW SB Xeon) (optional: 6 core NEW SB Xeon / 8 core NEW SB Xeon / both in 2x configuration)

No, I don't consume LSD, thats only an idea.

P.D.: Sorry for my grammar mistakes, I realize that my english is not perfect.

Because i7's do not support dual processor systems. It's pretty much the only difference between consumer Chips and Xeons. (they don't have the capability to communicate with another processor to share load)
 
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Because i7's do not support dual processor systems. It's pretty much the only difference between consumer Chips and Xeons. (they don't have the capability to communicate with another processor to share load)

I was thinking about that after posting but somewhere I read that new SB i7's are somewhat like Xeons but "capped" (there is an adjetive like this on english?, I want to mean "limited", something that has been cut with lower specs) with no FB/ECC DIMM support and these type of server-focused features.
 
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Because i7's do not support dual processor systems. It's pretty much the only difference between consumer Chips and Xeons. (they don't have the capability to communicate with another processor to share load)

I was thinking about that after posting but somewhere I read that new SB i7's are somewhat like Xeons but "capped" (there is an adjetive like this on english?, I want to mean "limited", something that has been cut with lower specs) with no FB/ECC DIMM support and these type of server-focused features.

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that
 
Why is all the focus on the LGA 2011 Xeon E5 series due next year, when these chips are for 4processor machines, also Wiki and other sources say the LGA 1356 Xeon E5's aimed at 2 processor Workstations are due 4th Quarter this year?

Would they be the more obvious upgrade for the MacPro's?
 
Why is all the focus on the LGA 2011 Xeon E5 series due next year, when these chips are for 4processor machines, also Wiki and other sources say the LGA 1356 Xeon E5's aimed at 2 processor Workstations are due 4th Quarter this year?

Would they be the more obvious upgrade for the MacPro's?

isnt it those we are talking about?
Q4.

I was thinking about that after posting but somewhere I read that new SB i7's are somewhat like Xeons but "capped" (there is an adjetive like this on english?, I want to mean "limited", something that has been cut with lower specs) with no FB/ECC DIMM support and these type of server-focused features.

crippled.
but it wouldnt make sense as Xeon = ECC, double QPI, and slightly cooler, not much more difference between desktop i7.
 
Why is all the focus on the LGA 2011 Xeon E5 series due next year, when these chips are for 4processor machines, also Wiki and other sources say the LGA 1356 Xeon E5's aimed at 2 processor Workstations are due 4th Quarter this year?
Socket 2011 will be used for 1 socket configurations too, and 2 socket, and 4 socket.

Here is a motherboard with 1 socket, which is socket 2011:
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Why is all the focus on the LGA 2011 Xeon E5 series due next year, when these chips are for 4processor machines, also Wiki and other sources say the LGA 1356 Xeon E5's aimed at 2 processor Workstations are due 4th Quarter this year?

Would they be the more obvious upgrade for the MacPro's?

Very little has been said about LGA 1356 processors so far, many thought it was abandoned. LGA 2011 is replacing LGA 1366 and 1356 is an addition and a change to the current landscape of one socket for desktop, one for enthuisast/workstation/servers and one for high-end servers. To me it looks like it'll be used to offer more choice for servers, maybe it gets used for workstations too, time will tell. Well more like the pricing levels will tell but that won't come out until very near, if not on, the release time.

According to CPU world LGA 2011 E7 (multi-processor) Xeons and LGA 1356 processors are scheduled for Q1 2012 and they are one of the best sources for CPU information.
 
"pretty good"? No. Wrong.
So many experts here decried that it was not happening this summer, and that it was q4 or q1. That is just wrong. ANy of us who stated it was going to be this summer were told that "no processors were available" etc etc etc.
We will see where the chips fall. Revisionist history will likely come from these "experts" soon

haha, many 'experts' stated the MacBook Pro would NEVER see a quad core CPU....... or that Apple would go back to ATI GPU's............

But remember NO ONE on here is ANY sort of expert when it comes to what Apple puts in it's machines, sometimes it's educated guesses but most of the time it's what people 'think' will happen based on what they have read or what they personally believe will happen.

You just need to take the latest iPhone rumours, I personally am predicting a 4S upgrade, same or similar design to the iPhone 4 with upgraded internals, but others are stating a total re-design. But no body will know until it's released, unless a case manufacturer shows of some products.

However, one thing that IS annoying is the endless 'apparent experts' the continuously state in threads that Apple is only intenterested in iToys and has dumped the Mac :rolleyes: yeah like that isn't a statement being regularly proved wrong....
 
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If it is a true rumor you know what would be really nice that the 8 core cpu could fit into the socket of my 2010 quad 2.8 turned hex 3.2. I would post that upgrade in a heartbeat.

Its SB so I doubt it will work with the 2010 HW.
 
Looks like the "experts" on this forum will be proven wrong! They said there weren't processors, etc. But it looks like new MPs will be coming this summer, as SOME of us thought. thank goodness for apple.

"pretty good"? No. Wrong.
So many experts here decried that it was not happening this summer, and that it was q4 or q1. That is just wrong. ANy of us who stated it was going to be this summer were told that "no processors were available" etc etc etc.
We will see where the chips fall. Revisionist history will likely come from these "experts" soon

actually, people said that there weren;t processors and that they werent coming out. we'll see who is wrong in august... we know who not to rely on... i can dig up the threads as well as anyone

Well, summer is over. You were saying...?
 
I'll admit I was thinking the new MP would be under my desk by now. But I must say that after enjoying the sandy bridge i7s in my mini server, I actually am glad that Apple has waited on the best intel chips to be available before updating MP. The new model may be the slimmed down rack mountable version as well.. great! Anyone care to place a wager on how many thunderbolt ports will be in base model and what kind of tb options, usb 3.0 in build to order?;):D
 
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