New Macbook Pro 14" and 16" WiFi6 Spec?

[JamieLannister]

I started a thread back when M1 MacBook and Mac mini was released. I complained about it lacking a 3x3 mimo antenna and many said "this is an ENTRY LEVEL computer. It's not a pro model". Fast forward today and yet this 14" M1 Pro 1TB model STILL HAS A 2x2 setup! Max speed on wireless AC is still: 866Mbps

 

[ls1dreams]

Ya not only is it lacking 6e/6ghz, but it actually is a downgrade for on 3x3 802.11ac routers.

 

[FaceChart2]

Just ran the BlackMagic speed test on my T7 1TB drive connected to my Mac mini 2018 Intel I7. Got write 877MB and read 897MB.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Ok wiped my T7 500gb drive. Took a bit of playing around to get the speeds up and formatted to play the nicest with the Mac. Here you go!

Are u mad ?? U did not have to !
Thank you !
Hmm idk if u have another PC to test it but it seems as bad as with the M1 unfortunately...should normally reach 950mbps..

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Just ran the BlackMagic speed test on my T7 1TB drive connected to my Mac mini 2018 Intel I7. Got write 877MB and read 897MB.

So 20% slower on apple silicon

 

[mike...]

The new MBPs are 2x2 MIMO in ac or ax: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep2ac3e3b51/web

My 2013" MBP will actually get better speeds (3x3 MIMO ~= 1.2Gbps) from my ac access point than an eight year newer MBP. So when I get my new Mac, I'm going to have to upgrade two access points too.

Very disappointing. Forgiveable in the M1 Air, not so much in a £3000+ "Pro" machine.

 

[vivid.gear71]

Is there any speed difference with/without 2X2 MIMO on new Macbook pro ?

 

[gregsapphire]

Are u mad ?? U did not have to !
Thank you !
Hmm idk if u have another PC to test it but it seems as bad as with the M1 unfortunately...should normally reach 950mbps..

Not mad at all. It was a drive I was ok with wiping. I don't use portable SSDs on my Mac set up often, so hard to compare if this is a big concern of me or not. Possibly down the future.

 

[idark77]

Very disappointing. Maybe the third antenna is only for bluetooth (If there are really 3 antennas).
Intel ax200 is better than Apple WiFi6 card and it’s very cheap.

 

[JPack]

Could still be 80mhz 3*3 as we said

No, it couldn't. The Broadcom chip BCM4375 only supports two streams of AX.

If you look at what Broadcom offers, it shouldn't be any surprise. Apple can't pull something out of thin air if Broadcom doesn't offer it.

 

[JPack]

I started a thread back when M1 MacBook and Mac mini was released. I complained about it lacking a 3x3 mimo antenna and many said "this is an ENTRY LEVEL computer. It's not a pro model". Fast forward today and yet this 14" M1 Pro 1TB model STILL HAS A 2x2 setup! Max speed on wireless AC is still: 866Mbps

Yes, it's disappointing. But at the same time, it shouldn't be any surprise. Apple always lags 12-18 months in adoption of the latest Broadcom product. The latest Broadcom Wi-Fi 6E was launched late 2020, so there was no chance it would be included in the MBP.

All people need to do is look Broadcom offerings, then add 12-18 months.

Wi-Fi with Bluetooth | Wi-Fi Modules | Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Combo

Find out about Broadcom's Wi-Fi and Bluetooth combination products that provide best-in-class connectivity solutions for mobile handsets and accessories.

www.broadcom.com

 

[ls1dreams]

The new MBPs are 2x2 MIMO in ac or ax: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep2ac3e3b51/web

My 2013" MBP will actually get better speeds (3x3 MIMO ~= 1.2Gbps) from my ac access point than an eight year newer MBP. So when I get my new Mac, I'm going to have to upgrade two access points too.

Very disappointing. Forgiveable in the M1 Air, not so much in a £3000+ "Pro" machine.

I keep complaining about this and no one cares lol

 

[Rafterman]

Apple uses Broadcom and Broadcom only supports 160MHz on their 6E chipset.

Since M1 MacBook Pro doesn't have 6E, we know it doesn't support 160MHz.

BCM4389

Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth 5.0 combo chip designed for ultra-low power mobile device applications

www.broadcom.com

No 6E. Boo!

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Not mad at all. It was a drive I was ok with wiping. I don't use portable SSDs on my Mac set up often, so hard to compare if this is a big concern of me or not. Possibly down the future.

thanks

 

[ksec]

I keep complaining about this and no one cares lol

Well it didn't reach front page or headlines. But as JPack noted Broadcom aren't making any 3x3 802.11AX any more. Part of the reason why Broadcom threaten to sell its WiFi Business because only Apple uses their 3x3 WiFi chip.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I started a thread back when M1 MacBook and Mac mini was released. I complained about it lacking a 3x3 mimo antenna and many said "this is an ENTRY LEVEL computer. It's not a pro model". Fast forward today and yet this 14" M1 Pro 1TB model STILL HAS A 2x2 setup! Max speed on wireless AC is still: 866Mbps

ye i think i remember you. but honestly that was sth i fully believed was going to be upgraded
the m1 is a great value
still im tempted to get a 14" ,if only for its screen.im a dumbass ik

 

[nealh]

Just setting it up now. Using a UniFi WiFi 6 LR that is capable for 160mhz and 4x4. The theoretical max speed I’m seeing are the same as the rest of the M1 line up. I got a M1 Max 16”.

I can dig deeper after fully set up but looks like the new MacBook Pro won’t be getting an faster speeds than iPhones, iPads or rest of M1 line up. Sorry guys.

I just 16in M1Pro with 1TB. I sat next to my WiFi router to test speeds.

12ProMax shows with Ookla speed test 500Mbps
16inM1Pro shows 195 Mbps

I have Frontier 500/500 using Google Mesh. Literally sat 3 ft from the router with both iPhone and MacBook Pro.

I am stunned. Wtf

 

[maxsquared]

Ok this is interesting, today I noticed this, does this mean the new MacBook Pro hardware capable of 160mhz? Just whatever they are doing in the software disabled it.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Ok this is interesting, today I noticed this, does this mean the new MacBook Pro hardware capable of 160mhz? Just whatever they are doing in the software disabled it.

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Ohoho , interesting....possible assumption,perhaps is it showing what your router is capable of,in spite of the Mac not being able to use the 160mhz?

 

[MacinMan]

Hey all, I realize this is an older thread, but I have a question that aligns with the conversation her, so hopefully others still follow this thread:

Anyway, I was curious what the iPhone 12 Pro Max true WiFi 6 specs are? According to Apple's WiFi specs support page for the iPhone, they say ax@5Ghz is 1200Mbps 80Mhz. I recently upgraded to Spectrum Gigabit the end of April, and had also purchased a TP-Link AX4400 that supports 160Mhz. By default the Router disabled 160Mhz so it had a Max of 80Mhz. When doing the speedtest app, i was getting between 500 and 600 Mbps down. After enabling 160Mhz it has gone up to between 700 and 800 Mbps down. I also thought I had read the 12 Pro Max had a 4x4 radio, and the router is a 4x4 6 stream router. So I'm curious is my phone actually taking advantage of the 160Mhz channels, or is it something else that increased the speed? I don't have any other WiFi 6 devices other than the 2021 4K Apple TV, but that's hard wired with Gigabit Ethernet, so mainly asking about the phone at this point

If someone could clarify based on these circumstances, would appreciate it. Thanks

 

[nquinn]

Hey all, I realize this is an older thread, but I have a question that aligns with the conversation her, so hopefully others still follow this thread:

Anyway, I was curious what the iPhone 12 Pro Max true WiFi 6 specs are? According to Apple's WiFi specs support page for the iPhone, they say ax@5Ghz is 1200Mbps 80Mhz. I recently upgraded to Spectrum Gigabit the end of April, and had also purchased a TP-Link AX4400 that supports 160Mhz. By default the Router disabled 160Mhz so it had a Max of 80Mhz. When doing the speedtest app, i was getting between 500 and 600 Mbps down. After enabling 160Mhz it has gone up to between 700 and 800 Mbps down. I also thought I had read the 12 Pro Max had a 4x4 radio, and the router is a 4x4 6 stream router. So I'm curious is my phone actually taking advantage of the 160Mhz channels, or is it something else that increased the speed? I don't have any other WiFi 6 devices other than the 2021 4K Apple TV, but that's hard wired with Gigabit Ethernet, so mainly asking about the phone at this point

If someone could clarify based on these circumstances, would appreciate it. Thanks

Does it really matter? It's a phone.

Faster wi-fi 6/6e make the most sense for laptops with large file transfers/etc. Barely will make a difference to a phone. Maybe useful for an occasional backup of all photos > macbook.

 

[MacinMan]

Does it really matter? It's a phone.

Faster wi-fi 6/6e make the most sense for laptops with large file transfers/etc. Barely will make a difference to a phone. Maybe useful for an occasional backup of all photos > macbook.

For a phone, it would matter if I'm uploading files to iCloud, but with that said, I get my 40Mbps either way. My main reason for asking was to see if I was really getting the benefits of WiFi 6 over WiFi 5. Since the speeds were slower at first, I wanted to make sure I hadn't wasted money on a WiFi 6 router over a WiFi 5 one. I am simply trying to future proof. I will have some growing into new standards, but want things to be setup and ready for when I need them.

The other thing I wanted to mention is, I had replaced an older TP-Link Wifi 5 Router that hadn't gotten firmware updates in over 3 years. When I connected my late 2013 MBP to the new wifi 6 router, I was actually pulling over 900 Mbps down and that's on WiFi 5 using the SpeedTest app for macOS. I was confused because I had the understanding WiFi 5 couldn't do gigabit speeds, and WiFi 6, or newer was required. Spectrum sells the package with speeds up to 940 down, and 40 up. However, after they replaced the modem I had, which was working fine, with the one They expect to go with their gigabit package, I found out they over provision to 1200 Mbps down, and the modem they gave me has a 2.5Gps port over a standard 1Gps port. Now with this said, I'm not going to get over a gig in my setup as I don't have anything that can do 2.5, or greater at this time. All my hard wired stuff such as my iMac are gigabit. I was simply curious about WiFi 6, the only other device I could test as a WiFi 6 device, is my 2021 Apple TV 4k. However, I have it wired as that's the most stable connection for streaming, especially local streaming of Blu-ray rips, etc.