Quite an understatement.
Look at it:
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A single GTX980 is as fast in a pro app as two D700's!!
That is not only "way faster" - it is obescenely faster!! LOL
Even a single R290x is almost as fast as two D700's
And two old HD7950 are just as fast.
Considering those facts when hearing "GTX980 is Last year technology " is not really soothing or making too much sense.
In a way the new Mac Pro is also last years technology as only a tiny fraction of all new Mac Pros where actually shipped in the (very) last days of 2013.
How true!
Also a bummer is that instead of giving us a 4K Thunderbolt display Apple released a 5K iMac.
And best of all: 5K display wouldn't even work with a new Mac Pro because of its Thunderbolt specs
Don't get me wrong - I like my Mac Pro quite a bit but the GPU's really are the worst part of the whole machine!
And compared to CPU, Memory, SSD it seems like you can't upgrade the GPU's.
I showed the effect of changing the Mode used to talk to the GPU. On Windows 7 using the OpenGL the compiled mode is rather slow. Where as on Mavericks the compiled mode is the fastest. The bench marks above show how well the various programs perform, but if they are using the Vbo Modes they are favoring the Windows 7 machines or the compiled mode favors the Macintosh. If you find a Macintosh program running at about 60 frames/sec then it is likely that it is being limited by the beam sync and running the disablebeamsync program could dramatically speed it up. There is an other OpenGL bug that limits the speed to only 10 frames/sec, but it does not seem to be too common. The OpenGL programs that are run mainly on Windows 7 will likely use the Vbo Modes putting the Macintosh at an disadvantage.
Get back to us when you can get a 980 to run in the cylinder of the NMP quietly and cool otherwise your complaining means nothing.
The mac pro was not designed to game and I enjoy the silence of it.
I showed the effect of changing the Mode used to talk to the GPU. On Windows 7 using the OpenGL the compiled mode is rather slow. Where as on Mavericks the compiled mode is the fastest. The bench marks above show how well the various programs perform, but if they are using the Vbo Modes they are favoring the Windows 7 machines or the compiled mode favors the Macintosh. If you find a Macintosh program running at about 60 frames/sec then it is likely that it is being limited by the beam sync and running the disablebeamsync program could dramatically speed it up. There is an other OpenGL bug that limits the speed to only 10 frames/sec, but it does not seem to be too common. The OpenGL programs that are run mainly on Windows 7 will likely use the Vbo Modes putting the Macintosh at an disadvantage.
eh, beam sync/vsync...tomato/tomatO. Nobody is going to purposefully skew benchmarks in either OS by turning this on or off. You are trying to plant a red flag where there is none. It's a rather spurious argument.
I am not saying that anyone is purposefully skewing benchmarks. I am just pointing out the fact that my Cylindrical Mac pro runs the bench mark 7.3 times faster when the beam sync is turned off. Some people might consider that significant.
If they put one percent of the effort in to the Mac Pro, we would all be amazed.
Neither will the current nMP, unless Apple pulls some new unexpected bonehead move.Won't matter much. As with any old technology, you can only upgrade it so much, it will eventually be obsolete. Once the new cpu socket change the cMP won't keep up.
Funny that...
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Note: I'd like to point out that the 290x etc are NOT workstation cards. In all honesty, they are either trolling, or don't understand why people buy workstations, and pay money for workstation GPU's.
Your stated usage does not use the graphic cards in the way they where created for. The usage for a professional graphics card is OpenGL display, and where available dedicated computing(single and double precision floating points computations) witch are simply not available in gaming cards(OpenCl and CUDA). I hear this type of complaints quite often, but it's not the machine(or builder) fault, just uninformed users. Before any rant, i have a dual 6 core Xeon machine with a Quadro 4000 card. I use it for my animation and rendering projects. Inside CAD programs it's a night and day difference between this card and a gaming one. My polygons are displayed without errors and in a fraction of the time so i can focus on modeling and animation. I don't have any handle placement errors so my productivity is way up. I am using such applications as HoudiniFX, Cinema 4D, Rhinoceros, Maya etc. In heavy scenes where my gaming card(latest model by the way) chocked up, this baby flies. Your stated usage does not make a good use for this type of cards. You should conduct search before investing money in a machine, not after. If you try to do rendering with graphic cards you need gaming, not pro cards. Hope i helped you.Heavy computing with Pro Apps like DaVinci Resolve is even worse!! Dual 980 for example are WAY faster :-/
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This benchmark is a little bit more favorable but still underwhelming...
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I own a Mac Pro 8c D700 since January 2014 and so far I am not impressed with the graphics hardware...
The CPU power in the new Mac Pro is amazing but the GPUs where a really bad choice of hardware!
Just because you don't like the numbers of the benchmark doesn't make the benchmark wrong!
I own a new Mac Pro myself - I certainly do not want to make that machine look bad but it's performance is a bit sub-par.... I use it primarily for Final Cut Pro, Photoshop and Xcode. Gaming I do on a separate PC with a single 980GTX which even though it is a single card it is way faster than the Mac Pro GPU's in Crossfire :-(
Final Cut Pro? You know - Lets get a step further - lets got DaVinci Resolve
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http://barefeats.com/gtx980d.html
I owned a 2013 iMac after my tower Mac Pro died and before my new Mac Pro.
The iMac rendered my video projects for days without problems.
The new Mac Pro is great however it gets really loud at full load (worst is playing BF4 in Crossfire).
Somehow people seem to think I do not dig Apple or Mac Pro?!?!
Quite the opposite is true!
However I feel a bit cheated with the D700 GPU's - D500 and D300 are even worse!
"People who don't know any better"? LOL, how dare you!
And Barefeats - a source for unbiased Mac benchmarks is also biased?
Exactly, the new standard should be Geekbench 3 all-cores score divided by cubic centimeters of true computer volume. In that case my mini is looking better all of the sudden.
I use the Mac pro to render 5K time lapse videos (Up to 400GB's each in size). It trances all our other machines with 'gaming cards' so it works for me.
Pity you can't use nMP in OS X to actually VIEW the 5K videos in full res.
You'd have to "downgrade" to a cMP with a "gaming card" to do that.
Like I said, it works for us and our RED 5K camera gear, albeit we're looking forward to the refresh! Further, while I appreciate your comments, I also appreciate you're in the business of selling cards which likely form the basic of nMP 'competitor' systems - We have a bunch of cMP's from days past (Some with Nvidia cards) and we just look at them getting dusty - no doubt destined for Ebay soon.
It's a case of each to their own; most of the haters are people that don't even own the new system... It's an amazing piece of kit in a super compact package. I just they'd hurry up with the refresh.
I've been in film biz for a long time.
Not being able to see your footage in full res is a joke, unless you are doing wedding videos.
When we were using "taps" to see what a film camera saw we could live with the flicker from shutter and crappy res/ B & W, whatever.
But not today. Red and Epic are video. We have full res files.
Excuses never fly on a film set. "We can't see the footage as it really exists because we want to use these nifty smaller computers" is a lousy excuse.
But you know that.
It's a frustrating time to be part of an educational institution that orders labs full of computers on a schedule, that need to be under warranty. We came from 2009 Mac Pros to 2013s and it's been pretty frustrating. Not only the lack of a speed jump but also the quirkiness of Adobe software on these machines. I'm kind of at wits end. I'm very happy with the machine's performance in the CPU-intensive Cinema 4D but MAN After Effects is awful.
So few choices out there for solid machines that run prevalent pro software.
UPDATE: PHEW!!!! After weeks with Adobe and Maxon tech support it turns out there's something wrong with our AE install in the school computer lab. Booting off an external drive with fresh OS/AE install, it runs about 20% faster and CineWare works as advertised. I still wouldn't buy a nMP for my own work but just glad our lab is in good shape for a while.
racistDo I hear the natives beating dead horses again? :roll eyes:
Which would be an interesting comment if the MP6,1 cards were identifiable as workstation cards - and not just gaming cards with a different ID and missing features (like GiB and ECC).
This reminds me of the debates that came up when Apple claimed that their time capsules had "server class" drives, when they were actually "DeskStar" drives. Apple invented a new definition for "server class", and the sheep bought it.
Sounds like you work for apple,Like I said, it works for us and our RED 5K camera gear, albeit we're looking forward to the refresh! Further, while I appreciate your comments, I also appreciate you're in the business of selling cards which likely form the basic of nMP 'competitor' systems - We have a bunch of cMP's from days past (Some with Nvidia cards) and we just look at them getting dusty - no doubt destined for Ebay soon.
It's a case of each to their own; most of the haters are people that don't even own the new system... It's an amazing piece of kit in a super compact package. I just they'd hurry up with the refresh.