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Meh, I take it back for this incident, but I still hold my point.

I actually think the 5800 is better than the iPhone, its cheaper, more open, does video, has 3.2 megapixel camera, flash, video recording, video calling... Much better!

It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...
 

PowerFullMac

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It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...

It has a free (probably more reliable :p) MobileMe alternative, its quite cool.
 

PowerFullMac

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It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

Not true at all, Nokia is the worlds largest mobile phone company! They are nothing like Motorola, and they are known for good software and fantastic build quality. I dont work for them, I am just talking from experience. I have many old Nokias and they all still work just fine, I actually am using a Nokia N-Gage as my main phone at the moment because my Sony Ericsson stopped getting signal (dont even get me started on Sony Ericsson... If you think they make good phones because they are owned by Sony, think again!).
 

gkarris

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What is it with Apple fanboys thinking Apple is so all-mighty and amazing that every touch-screen phone except the iPhone has to be a clone of the iPhone, because Apple invented the touch-screen, didnt they? :rolleyes:

I mean, seriously, I like the iPhone and Apple and all (which is why I am on here) but I dont think all phones are iPhone clones... Thats just wayyyy over the top.

Why is the 5800 a iPhone clone? Because its black? Because it has a touch-screen?
Seriously, explain.

Also, the UI looks NOTHING like the iPhone UI, anyone who has used a Symbian S60 phone before will see the resemblance.

(answers own question...)

It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.


(starts beating you over the head with a basic Nokia phone...) :eek:

:D
 

Stella

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It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

ROTFL

Your joking right?
* The largest market share of both regular and smartphones
* Nokia have been making smart phones since the early 2000 ( or thereabouts).
 

garybUK

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It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...

iSync my N95 just fine, it puts all my photo's in iPhoto, my music from iTunes, my Address Book, Bookmarks and Calendars, all automatically and all over USB OR Bluetooth :D
 

PowerFullMac

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Way to not know what that means. It means you have to push the screen rather than tap it because it's not heat capacitive.

Meh you can get used that very quickly and have no trouble, Engadget said that in their review and they have actually used one.
 

PowerFullMac

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Sorry to double post, but I wanna draw attention to it so people read the review I link to.

New review, better than the Engadget one, full detail on the phone, BETTER THAN THE IPHONE!

Clicky
 

Tom B.

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Sorry to double post, but I wanna draw attention to it so people read the view I link to.

New review, better than the Engadget one, full detail on the phone, BETTER THAN THE IPHONE!

The guy that does all of the reviews for 'Mobile-Review' has been extremely biased against the iPhone and all things Apple since birth as far as I can tell.
 

PowerFullMac

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The guy that does all of the reviews for 'Mobile-Review' has been extremely biased against the iPhone and all things Apple since birth as far as I can tell.

Mobile-Review is a very famous and respected site.

He wasent being biased, he was getting the point across that this phone is not crap because it has no :apple: on the back.
 

Tom B.

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It never said the iPhone is crap, it just said the Nokia 5800 is a worthy competitor.

Oh really?

Eldar Murtazin said:
...in fact the iPhone packs in around a tenth of what the Nokia 5800 has to offer in terms of functionality. It wouldn't be right to put them in one league and then berate the iPhone for lacking so many useful feats. So let the iPhone remain the ultimate choice for all fashion-conscious users, while the Nokia 5800 will be the way to go for everyone who is after a well-rounded do-it-all solution.

He also claims that there will no longer be a market for the iPhone in Europe in a year or two without drastic price cuts.
 

PowerFullMac

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Oh really?



He also claims that there will no longer be a market for the iPhone in Europe in a year or two without drastic price cuts.

Technically, thats true.

The iPhone has no MMS, video recording, open way to get third party apps (without hacking), no memory card slot, no way to transfer files via Bluetooth, no multiple keyboard layouts etc.

Also, if the low price of the 5800 drives the rest of the market down, the iPhone will need a price cut.
 

elppa

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Technically, thats true.

The iPhone has no MMS, video recording, open way to get third party apps (without hacking), no memory card slot, no way to transfer files via Bluetooth, no multiple keyboard layouts etc.

These are show stoppers the very technically minded who value feature lists and specs. In reality very few consumer purchases are cold, calculated decisions. Almost all of those features aren't show stoppers for most people (with the exception of MMS).


Another thing of note about the 5800 Tube is that it simply won't face any challenges on the market - the Apple iPhone is a steep, fashion-savvy offering that has been deprived of many standard features, so a comparison between these two phones would seem a little too far-fetched. It does have smoother and more eye-candy menus, similar video capabilities, but that's about it.

App Store? Guaranteed revenue for developers creating a compelling reason to develop for iPhone platform. Guaranteed minimum set of hardware features to write applications for. Apple iPhone is a platform, Nokia has another phone.

Nokia already has a platform, called S60. This phone does very little to enhance what they already had, aside from adding basic, rudimentary touch screen support.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.

The bias is unbelievable. Dismissing the interaction paradigm of multi-touch as “a bit of eye-candy” is hilarious.

Or maybe because Eldar Murtazin makes a living finding his way around clunky interfaces he thinks the rest of the world wants to as well.

After all, if 10 million people choose iPhone this year, they must all be fools and bow down to the superior knowledge and intellect of the great Eldar Murtazin of Mobile-Review.

Or maybe he alone is being “clever” and “getting a good deal” ahead of others who are foolishly lusting after iPhone 3G.

If that makes him happy then I am pleased for him. Really I am.

Personally I think he has a huge chip of his shoulder that Apple have come in and shaken up the cell phone industry that he used to understand so well cheer-lead for.

Now the focus has changed from features to usability and experience. Which is why he had two possible choices:
[1] Understand how and why the rules of the game have changed.
[2] Blindly pour vitriol on Apple.

Guess he picked number two. The fact he had to mention the iPhone so many times when not comparing it with a phone concerns about how how cut up he is about it.
 

PowerFullMac

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App Store? Guaranteed revenue for developers creating a compelling reason to develop for iPhone platform. Guaranteed minimum set of hardware features to write applications for. Apple iPhone is a platform, Nokia has another phone.

Nokia already has a platform, called S60. This phone does very little to enhance what they already had, aside from adding basic, rudimentary touch screen support.

You can only find out if there was any point spending months on your app until Apple checks it, and they will probably reject it because it duplicates non-existent functionality or dosent claim to be a flashlight :rolleyes:

Apple has one phone and one OS, Nokia has a built-up strong platform and much experience with many phones.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.

The bias is unbelievable. Dismissing the interaction paradigm of multi-touch as “a bit of eye-candy” is hilarious.

I never said it was eye-candy, I said its something thats cool for a month or so, and makes you think its worth the money coz you can move your fingers around the screen instead of just tapping a icon. You have been sucked in my SJ's RDF.

I dont really care about the guy who wrote the review, those are the facts I posted. Simple.
 

Adjei

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You can only find out if there was any point spending months on your app until Apple checks it, and they will probably reject it because it duplicates non-existent functionality or dosent claim to be a flashlight :rolleyes:

Apple has one phone and one OS, Nokia has a built-up strong platform and much experience with many phones.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.



I never said it was eye-candy, I said its something thats cool for a month or so, and makes you think its worth the money coz you can move your fingers around the screen instead of just tapping a icon. You have been sucked in my SJ's RDF.

I dont really care about the guy who wrote the review, those are the facts I posted. Simple.
Dude go and by this phone if you think it's better than the iphone, no one gives a bloody damn, who are you or the writer of that site to tell anybody which phone is better or I guess your needs should be the same as mine or anybody who prefers the iphone, go and buy your bloody phone if you think it's better than the iphone. :rolleyes:
 

PowerFullMac

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Dude go and by this phone if you think it's better than the iphone, no one gives a bloody damn, who are you or the writer of that site to tell anybody which phone is better or I guess your needs should be the same as mine or anybody who prefers the iphone, go and buy your bloody phone if you think it's better than the iphone. :rolleyes:

I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.
 

7on

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I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.

I couldn't care if the iPhone had a picture of ****** on the back (well, I suppose then I'd care...) The point of the matter is that Apple has made a sleek interface. And it interfaces well with my Music. If Palm actually stepped up, we might have had something like the iPhone from them in 05 or 06. I was a huge fan of the m515. Used to write 5 page papers for High school while I was in transit to different places. Loved the little thing. Unfortunately time progresses and I was wanting Bluetooth instead of Ir and for it to replace my iPod. I tried a Zire72, but it was the same thing in a new box. I think it even used RealPlayer for its music playback. yuk.

All I see it is an extension of Apple's iPod line. In 10 years people generally won't have separate devices (I know, people's been predicting the all-in-one ultimate device for years) and Apple is just beating their own demise to the punch. In fact, they'd have that with the iPhone if it weren't for the AT&T lockin. If the iPhone was CDMA and GSM and worked on the big 4 in the USA, I would have to say that Apple would be ushering in this transition even faster.

Even though this seems overly Pro-Apple, let me repeat that I couldn't care less who made the iPhone. And if the iPhone remains locked to AT&T by the time I need to replace my unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile, then I'll probably be jumping ship to a Nokia or BB. If I had to jump ship today I'd most certainly get an E71 (capacitive touchscreens are better than resistive, mainly because you can have glass instead of plastic. No need for protectors).
 

Adjei

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I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.
So go and buy your bloody phone and shut up, I'm sick and tired of people like you thinking you know what's best for people, it's a free world, we should be allowed to buy what we like without idiots coming and telling us nonsense. Who are you to judge what is a rip-off for someone? Who gave you any authority on this? Complete and utter nonsense. :rolleyes:
 
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