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cepler

macrumors member
Sep 13, 2005
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Columbus, OH
Mac Classic

All in all, I'm happy with my old "classic".

I dunno, the screen's a little small...at least the floppy drive is conveniant.

Macintosh_classic.jpg
 

aliquis-

macrumors 6502a
May 20, 2007
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Well, I'm mostly using it for HD video editing and 3d animation. I need something that has performance in processing power. I could get a Mac Pro but the iMac is more affordable and its simple and compact. I'm still running on a Duron 700 and way overdue for a new one. Though it still doesn't have what I wanted like built-in blu-ray drive, I'd have to shell out for an external one. As for the current processor, I know its capable but it doesnt have the features like SSE4 thats already included in the penryn processor. So the question is which weighs more " more features + waiting time" vs. "less features + buy now"?

Also I have until mid-November to decide and I am very patient when it comes to buying.
You are using a Duron 700MHz but are thinking a CPU atleast 8 times faster isn't enough?

I for one do NOT want them to include a bluray, I don't want to pay like 700 dollar or so for that, what a piece of crap, totally useless. As an option I guess it would be ok, but would you buy it? I doubt it.

Your current cpu doesn't have SSE2, does it? Do it even have SSE?

Also OS X are built for SSE3 CPUs, but they can't build it with a lowest common instructionset of SSE4 later because that would make it not run on older machines, thought they can make use of SSE4 anyway. But I doubt SSE4 is that important? If you are waiting until november I guess you can wait to the next revision, just remember it might be around another halfyear away.
Penryn isnt just a shrink, it has some nice new features. Especially for video.
I would be intrested in if you could tell me which ones.

"First is a new radix-16 divider that offers a 2x performance improvement on division operations vs. Core 2 Duo. The fast divider also speeds up a range of operations that depend on the divider hardware, like the square root function. Penryn's SQRT operation is 4x the speed of Core 2.

The other major back-end improvement is support for the SSE4 extensions, a group of 50 new vector instructions aimed at speeding up media and other data-parallel applications. SSE4 will be paired with a new "Super Shuffle Engine," a full-width, single-pass, 128-bit shuffle unit. This will enable Penryn's vector hardware to perform 128-bit shuffle operations (e.g. pack, unpack, packed shift) in a single clock cycle. The beefed up shuffle capabilities will help Penryn align incoming vector data in the SSE registers so that the execution hardware can go to work on it.

Intel claims that SSE4, in combination with other new features that I'll describe shortly, will offer Penryn a performance improvement of as much as 40 percent over Core 2 Duo on some software like video codecs, and as much as 20 percent on games."
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...sse4-faster-virtualization-bigger-caches.html

so 20-40% faster if you wait say 6months or more.

But then remember that computer technology are supposed to become 100% faster each 18 months.

The new cache seems smarter, but 6MB isn't that much of an improvement over 4MB is it? I can understand from say 128kB to 512kB. Thought CPUs have become faster so I guess they need more cache, but the cache have probably become faster aswell.

Anyway 2x faster dividers are cool, SSE4 might be cool for whatever application types makes use of it. I guess for OS X it may be some video codec, but it's not like the performance of that will be a deal breaker for me.
Would Mac OS or any app use SSE4. Then performance gain with penryn should be significant. Plus 6mB l2 cache should help as well.

Apple may wait for Montevina platform(Santa rosa replacement) before updating Macbook pro/iMac. That platform should hopefully increase FSB to 1066MHZ as well.

Nehalem should release late next year or beginning of 2009, but laptop versions should not have imc. Maybe not even quick path.

If apple is releasing leopard in next 2 months, it may be worth waiting for it save $150.
Why would it be faster for "any app"? It's not like if you build whatever app with support for the latest gen x86, mmx, built in fpu, all versions of sse and it magically becomes much faster. It must need it for something aswell. Adium won't get much faster because it's compiled using SSE4 instructions ... (not that it will be built requiring that anyway.)

I don't know what montevina is either, but once released you can just aswell wait for the next chipset revision aswell...

I few years ago I waited for socket AM2 instead of 939, then it came and the new AMD cpus where like -2-4% faster than the old ones.. Oh, great!

Also you can wait for nv9800 to get used... and quad core, or octo core and radeon hd 4800 xtx 8GB.

1TB ram would be nice to, and 200TB flashdrives.
 

aliquis-

macrumors 6502a
May 20, 2007
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I dunno, the screen's a little small...at least the floppy drive is conveniant.

Macintosh_classic.jpg
They worked nice, ClarisWorks was nice. Only bad thing was that they didn't had color displays like the LCs or whatever they was called, so it wasn't so fun to draw random shapes with color ranges within them =P

Also macs has no games anyway so lack of decent gfx didn't mattered much ;D
Still holds true :D

I _LOVE_ the powerbutton on the keyboard!

Not so much the gem used to output the floppy ;D
 

Zwhaler

macrumors 604
Jun 10, 2006
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Wirelessly posted (LGE-VX9900/1.0 UP.Browser/6.2.3.2 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

the imac was just updated, and the penryns that are being released soon are not the mobile ones, so dont expect another imac update for awhile. Buy now.
 

imMAColata

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Sep 26, 2006
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The thing is Penryn should run much cooler because of the 45nm process, right? Which should, in turn, give Apple more thermal budget for the GPU.

My other issue is external connectivity. Why hasn't Apple dumped FW800 in favor of eSATA? FW has run its course and now needs to die.

I think "much cooler" never happened. Every time they drop the size they just up the performance, and the thermal envelope doesn't move around much.

Besides, I fear Apple signed a long term deal on the HD2600 Pro, so we are stuck with it for a couple of iMac cycles. Shame.
 

shawmanus

macrumors member
Mar 7, 2006
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You are using a Duron 700MHz but are thinking a CPU atleast 8 times faster isn't enough?

I for one do NOT want them to include a bluray, I don't want to pay like 700 dollar or so for that, what a piece of crap, totally useless. As an option I guess it would be ok, but would you buy it? I doubt it.

Your current cpu doesn't have SSE2, does it? Do it even have SSE?

Also OS X are built for SSE3 CPUs, but they can't build it with a lowest common instructionset of SSE4 later because that would make it not run on older machines, thought they can make use of SSE4 anyway. But I doubt SSE4 is that important? If you are waiting until november I guess you can wait to the next revision, just remember it might be around another halfyear away.I would be intrested in if you could tell me which ones.

"First is a new radix-16 divider that offers a 2x performance improvement on division operations vs. Core 2 Duo. The fast divider also speeds up a range of operations that depend on the divider hardware, like the square root function. Penryn's SQRT operation is 4x the speed of Core 2.

The other major back-end improvement is support for the SSE4 extensions, a group of 50 new vector instructions aimed at speeding up media and other data-parallel applications. SSE4 will be paired with a new "Super Shuffle Engine," a full-width, single-pass, 128-bit shuffle unit. This will enable Penryn's vector hardware to perform 128-bit shuffle operations (e.g. pack, unpack, packed shift) in a single clock cycle. The beefed up shuffle capabilities will help Penryn align incoming vector data in the SSE registers so that the execution hardware can go to work on it.

Intel claims that SSE4, in combination with other new features that I'll describe shortly, will offer Penryn a performance improvement of as much as 40 percent over Core 2 Duo on some software like video codecs, and as much as 20 percent on games."
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...sse4-faster-virtualization-bigger-caches.html

so 20-40% faster if you wait say 6months or more.

But then remember that computer technology are supposed to become 100% faster each 18 months.

The new cache seems smarter, but 6MB isn't that much of an improvement over 4MB is it? I can understand from say 128kB to 512kB. Thought CPUs have become faster so I guess they need more cache, but the cache have probably become faster aswell.

Anyway 2x faster dividers are cool, SSE4 might be cool for whatever application types makes use of it. I guess for OS X it may be some video codec, but it's not like the performance of that will be a deal breaker for me.Why would it be faster for "any app"? It's not like if you build whatever app with support for the latest gen x86, mmx, built in fpu, all versions of sse and it magically becomes much faster. It must need it for something aswell. Adium won't get much faster because it's compiled using SSE4 instructions ... (not that it will be built requiring that anyway.)

I don't know what montevina is either, but once released you can just aswell wait for the next chipset revision aswell...

I few years ago I waited for socket AM2 instead of 939, then it came and the new AMD cpus where like -2-4% faster than the old ones.. Oh, great!

Also you can wait for nv9800 to get used... and quad core, or octo core and radeon hd 4800 xtx 8GB.

1TB ram would be nice to, and 200TB flashdrives.

Montevina is santa rosa replacement expected around Q2 2008.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/11/intel_centrino_roadmap/

It should hopefully increase FSB to 1066.

I think current iMac is very powerful. But it would suck within an year if they see 2 more updates.

I dunno how iMac G5 folks who bought their computer during Q4 2005 feel. There have been 3 revisions after that!!!
 

marcg007

macrumors regular
Jan 28, 2003
103
2
Boston area
There was the Color Classic option...

They worked nice, ClarisWorks was nice. Only bad thing was that they didn't had color displays like the LCs or whatever they was called, so it wasn't so fun to draw random shapes with color ranges within them =P

Also macs has no games anyway so lack of decent gfx didn't mattered much ;D
Still holds true :D

I _LOVE_ the powerbutton on the keyboard!

Not so much the gem used to output the floppy ;D

If you think current offerings will suit your needs, you should absolutely get something now. If you keep waiting for the next big improvment that is "just around the corner", you will never upgrade and just get more and more frustrated.
On a different note, to those who suggest waiting until Leopard comes pre-installed, that only makes sense if A) You don't need a new machine right away and B) You don't have multiple macs to install Leopard on.
I have 3 Macs in my home so getting the family install pack is what makes the most sense for me. Getting my new 2.8 iMac now (hurry up and get here already:rolleyes::D) means I have time to get used to working with it before my classes start in a few weeks. Then when Leopard arrives, I get the family pack for 3 (I think) legal installs and all is well.
My 2 Cents.
 
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