so internal hard drives, dvd drives, and size?
got it
(i guess none of the other stuff is important)
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so internal hard drives, dvd drives, and size?
got it
(i guess none of the other stuff is important)
Mac Mini - non-removable multi-core CPU - same with new Mac Pro
Mac Mini - graphics not meant to be changed out - same with new Mac Pro
The point is pretty obvious to most - both are designed to have their guts remain in tack and not designed for any additions internally (as of yet) though some may be possibly changed out but not designed for the public in general to do so.
Mac Pro present - change drives, add/remove disc rw, add various internal cards such as audio, video capture and more. The Mac Pro of tomorrow has NONE of the same characteristics of the the Mac Pro but has plenty more in common with the Mac Mini as being a device that is meant to have all adds done externally other than RAM (and in some sense drives). Are you following? It is not a negative or positive but simply one of logical similarities.
aren't all apple computers and devices like that though? seems more logical to me to just call it an apple product
but that's assuming your assumptions are correct in the first place.. somewhere in your head you've convinced yourself that your first two statements are true but-- argue it all you want.. you don't know it to be true.
i don't know either but to me, it appears the mac pro will be user serviceable..
from this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17749116#post17749116
you can somewhat see this on the apple site but photos from wwdc make it even more apparent.. there are torx screws holding the gpus in place.. i can't really figure out why those screws would be in those locations if the thing was all welded together.. (but hey- i'm definitely no computer engineer.. maybe they have some purpose that i'm entirely unaware of)
there also appear to be 8 of the same screws holding the cpu in place:
also, the mac pro website when clicking on 'processor' will animate the removal of the IO panel in order to get to the cpu.. look around at some other pics and you'll see the screws which go in these (now) empty holes have the same (maybe smaller) torx heads..
I honestly believe that the new Mac Pro is not meant to be, by intent, upgraded internally by the consumer. However...if all that you pointed out is correct then I completely understand your point and as we shall both see with release if your statements or mine, are correct. - In short, you present a very strong argument that I wont or rather, can't refute.
i guess we'll know soon enough but speculating has a twisted sense of fun to it
dunno, for me personally, i'm not too concerned with upgradeability.. it's more about what happens when a component goes bad.. i'd feel a lot more comfortable if i could go down to the store and pick up a new gpu then replace it within the hour if need be as opposed to sending the whole thing in and waiting a week or two.. the latter doesn't sound too 'pro' to me
i guess we'll know soon enough but speculating has a twisted sense of fun to it
dunno, for me personally, i'm not too concerned with upgradeability.. it's more about what happens when a component goes bad.. i'd feel a lot more comfortable if i could go down to the store and pick up a new gpu then replace it within the hour if need be as opposed to sending the whole thing in and waiting a week or two.. the latter doesn't sound too 'pro' to me
Your locations says you live in NewYorkCity so in the same hour you could maybe unplug carry to Apple Store have them swap over for a replacement machine and migrate your data, go back and plug in get back to work.
My cat can't sleep on that!
Looks sweet but I fear it will be out of my price range
go with imac...or mac mini...
i guess we'll know soon enough but speculating has a twisted sense of fun to it
dunno, for me personally, i'm not too concerned with upgradeability.. it's more about what happens when a component goes bad.. i'd feel a lot more comfortable if i could go down to the store and pick up a new gpu then replace it within the hour if need be as opposed to sending the whole thing in and waiting a week or two.. the latter doesn't sound too 'pro' to me
We concur. I would also worry that they would try to replace it with a refurb. I admit to getting attached to items I purchase. I had similar experience when an iPhone ability to use the in line mic went a foul. They instantly handed me a refurb and sent me on my way saying it is too costly to repair the phone.
yeah, that's a possibility of course (though, sure, there are 5 apple stores in the city but 10million people + a zillion tourists cram those things pretty quick
..i generally go to a neighborhood based authorized store since it's a couple blocks walk for me and a lot less crowded)anyway.. i guess i'm just thinking of a worst case scenario where im in the middle of rendering under deadline.. most of my work (the important stuff) can be done on a laptop when need be.. it's not the best but i've done it multiple times in the past when something went wrong on the desktop or when i'm in a place with no desktop..
I spend a lot of time thinking about aluminum parts production and would like to share a few insights.
Aluminum by itself is very soft, but it has a kind of oxidation (rust) that unlike steel, makes aluminum stronger. A kind of shell, this can be encouraged, with a process known as aluminum anodization. There are two types of anodization popular for production, type 2 (aka type II) and type 3 (aka type III, aka hard anodize, aka HA).
Here is a table, showing the relative thickness possible, relative to type and color. These values are fractions of an inch:
The key bit here is that number in the middle. To offer maximum protection, anodize must be dark (natural undyed or black dyed) and it must be type III (HA) and it must be thick. Aluminum products with a bright silver color show damage more easily but show less damage because the underlying material is also a bright silver. Aluminum products with a flat black color (thicker = less shiny) are the most durable. In either case, damage is most likely to occur at corners and along edges.
Examples:
I've had my black aluminum iPad for nearly a year. It is a flat black and shows no signs of damage from heavy use and occasional (indoor) injury.
I'd had my silver aluminum MacBook for several years. Its surfaces show scrapes, but exposed corners and edges are rounded to minimize damage. The wear on the metal is confined to the ports, where harder steel scrapes along the edges before going through.
Implications:
A Mac Pro shell coated in full thickness HA (matte black) will be the most durable. Shiny black will need to be thinner and will show damage more easily than shiny silver.
Aluminum by itself is very soft, but it has a kind of oxidation (rust) that unlike steel, makes aluminum stronger. A kind of shell, this can be encouraged, with a process known as aluminum anodization. There are two types of anodization popular for production, type 2 (aka type II) and type 3 (aka type III, aka hard anodize, aka HA).
Here is a table, showing the relative thickness possible, relative to type and color. These values are fractions of an inch:
.0005 < - type II
.0006
.0007 < - limit for ha light colors
.0008
.0009
.0010
.0011
.0012 < - limit for ha dark colors (other than black)
.0013
.0014
.0015
.0016
.0017
.0018
.0019
.0020 < - maximum ha thickness
.0006
.0007 < - limit for ha light colors
.0008
.0009
.0010
.0011
.0012 < - limit for ha dark colors (other than black)
.0013
.0014
.0015
.0016
.0017
.0018
.0019
.0020 < - maximum ha thickness
The key bit here is that number in the middle. To offer maximum protection, anodize must be dark (natural undyed or black dyed) and it must be type III (HA) and it must be thick. Aluminum products with a bright silver color show damage more easily but show less damage because the underlying material is also a bright silver. Aluminum products with a flat black color (thicker = less shiny) are the most durable. In either case, damage is most likely to occur at corners and along edges.
Examples:
I've had my black aluminum iPad for nearly a year. It is a flat black and shows no signs of damage from heavy use and occasional (indoor) injury.
I'd had my silver aluminum MacBook for several years. Its surfaces show scrapes, but exposed corners and edges are rounded to minimize damage. The wear on the metal is confined to the ports, where harder steel scrapes along the edges before going through.
Implications:
A Mac Pro shell coated in full thickness HA (matte black) will be the most durable. Shiny black will need to be thinner and will show damage more easily than shiny silver.
That was the throw-OS9-users-a-bone model, discounted by $300.
In any case, the only reason the MDD fell that low in price, was because the G4 was not keeping up in performance. So it had to get cheaper.
Which I would expect they will do. Have a few refurbs in the back, swap the SSD into one of them, send the customer on their way. Salvage/refurb the bad one at their convenience. Which is what they do with your broken iPhone, minus the storage swap.
While I see your point, I also see a useful upside to this approach: I can get back on my feet quickly in this scenario. Doesn't matter if the motherboard failed, the GPU failed, or whatever. So long as the local store has a couple refurbs available, I'm good to go. Especially when the SSD can be moved to the refurb while I wait.
If I were in the workplace, this approach you mention would make me very happy. I guess it is just that I shell out the dollars and not crazy about the idea of getting a "refurb" as a fix though it is faster turn around. I probably would wonder if anything else is not in good shape in the refurb given I have no idea of its history. However, I'll still look forward to this new (sorry have to say it) Mac Mini Pro.
Depending on Price I am in because it has been so long for a real UPGRADE like this.
I just find it weird there is hardly any more info and pics of it from Apple floating around but IOS7 and IPHONE info and rumors are everywhere.
Just wish there would be more post and info to get people excited about it and even thou they let us know they are making it for some reason it still seems like a big secret.
I just find it weird there is hardly any more info and pics of it from Apple floating around but IOS7 and IPHONE info and rumors are everywhere.
Just wish there would be more post and info to get people excited about it and even thou they let us know they are making it for some reason it still seems like a big secret.
i guess we'll know soon enough but speculating has a twisted sense of fun to it
dunno, for me personally, i'm not too concerned with upgradeability.. it's more about what happens when a component goes bad.. i'd feel a lot more comfortable if i could go down to the store and pick up a new gpu then replace it within the hour if need be as opposed to sending the whole thing in and waiting a week or two.. the latter doesn't sound too 'pro' to me
I've had the same thoughts as flat five since I saw all the bolts. Easy replacement of parts appeals to me, especially since my iMac spend a total of about a month at the Apple Store for 2 repairs under Applecare.
If it is anything like in the UK, you need to book a slot to get seen, and it is usually booked up for at least 5 days. Often the best slots are taken within a few hours of them appearing on the Apple website a week before. It isn't the repair time that is the problem, it is the delay before being able to get it repaired.
A refurb in this case likely covers remanufactured product as well. I can understand the concern seeing as companies don't really discuss their policies and programs around this, but having connections to a couple companies using refurbished/remanufactured product as a way to cut waste costs, it is usually better than you think.
Say I'm Apple and get your damaged iPhone. I would "salvage it" for useful parts (display if in good shape, logic board, etc), testing the parts as part of the process. Anything scratched, dinged, or non-functional goes into the recycle pile along with the battery. Now do this a hundred times, and/or get parts from the factory, and you have a supply of parts built up. Get some new batteries, and reassemble the unit from the parts bins you've built up and you've got a remanufactured unit.
Another way to go is have new parts shipped in from the factory, including batteries, and replace anything dinged/scratched/non-functional in the returned unit, along with the battery. Once the repair is done, box it and you've got a refurbished unit. This is similar to a repair, but with a little extra to make it "Like New" condition.
Now, I don't know which process Apple uses for the iPhone, but because the unit goes through testing either to be salvaged or repaired/refurbished, it's actually getting better QA coverage than with a unit off the manufacturing line. There they sample the batches and test some small random percentage of each batch.
Is the process perfect? No, some bad units may still get through for a variety of reasons including the tech simply having a bad day and not being at their best. However, the defect rate should be on par, or better, with new with QA being done on each part versus batch sampling. And the defect rate after refurb should be the same as the defect rate after repair. The process is the same, but the refurb contains a couple steps a repair doesn't to 'refresh' the unit and make it "Like New".
I've bough refurb from Apple for the last 20 years when I could. When I didn't, it was usually new models. I've had better luck with the refurbs than new. Although my sample size is only about a dozen or so, take my anecdote with a grain of salt. But I'd certainly be happy with a refurb replacement if I ever needed one. Doubly so if the SSD is easy to swap. Restoring a replacement iPhone takes forever for me when it comes to getting the music re-sync'd over.
What if it out of warranty? Even so, they would throw a premium on to swap machines - i would rather replace the part
I see your point(s). I should mention - you buy a new device, under warranty it has a flaw and the end result is you get a "used" device in its place. That is pretty much what is happening. I suppose starting with a used or refurb then makes far more sense if the warranty is really not about repair or replacing your purchased device but a simple swap. Imagine that for cars, cameras and more...you know that would cause quite an uproar.
Mr Smith - sorry your 2000 dollar camera had a faulty lens flange. Here, let us give you this "good as new" used camera in its place. I suggest taking your Acura over to the dealer so they can swap it out for a "previously owned" car in its place.
I know an iPhone is neither of those more expensive items but for many a few hundred bucks for a "new" I_OWN_IT item is important to them. - At times, as I have stated, I feel that way.
I disagree.
If it has a flaw after the return period, then what you really have is a used device. Your used device is being replaced by a used device. You're implying you are losing a new device and getting a used device, but if your new device has a flaw, you can return it for a full refund and get another new device.
In the case of the refurb replacement, the replacement is actually noticeably better, because Apple refurbs for mobile devices get a new case and a new battery. This is their listed policy.
I've been through this myself. 1.5 years in, my iPhone 4 power button broke. I got a refurb swap in less than 10 minutes. Unlike my iPhone I turned in, I got a brand new battery and a brand new case free of dings and scratches. I would not consider that to be losing a new device and getting a used one, I actually still think of that particular transaction as being an improvement in every way.
Aeons ago, some people took over their buddy's NeXT Cube, disassembled it, and spray-painted the main cube hot pink. Then they reassembled it, leaving the black trim. Your pic reminded me of that.
My Google-fu today is not strong enough to find the image--although it's possible it has disappeared from the Internet forever.
Why not?
The Mac Mini itself is a great machine for its size.
And where's the iPad?
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Ah! Pictures of the two Mac Minis side by side. The normal Mac Mini on the right, and the Mac Mini with faster CPU and GPU on the left.
Or maybe The Mac Mini Pro and Mac Mini, or Mac Pro Mini and Mac Mini.
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Is that a memory leak?
another thing that can happen (happened to me with a phone and a friend with a macbook) is that they'll replace yours with an updated model depending on where you're at in the release cycle.. (i.e.- i got a 4s for a damaged 4.. my friend got the speed bump upgrade on his laptop)