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jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I'll be interested to see the screen vs. an iPad's retina display. Could punch a whole in the "Retina" moniker. If you can tell the difference, then retina really isn't retina.

Good for Google. Though I find it hilarious that people praise Google's "not in it to make money" even though that's a huge farce, they just make it in different ways (i.e. selling your personal browsing habits and info to advertisers) and bash Apple as some "greedy devil".

They are both multi-BILLION dollar companies....I can 100% guarantee they are both in it to make money. Apple does it on the hardware side, Google does it in other ways - after all, businesses are inherently started to make profit, not to cater to the entitled attitudes of today's societies.

A business not in it to make money is called a non-profit. Sure the company needs to give the customers a good experience, otherwise people won't buy from them - but I'd argue Apple does that better than anyone, and I for one am glad they aren't in this "race-to-the-bottom" as far a pricing goes....otherwise the fit and finish/build quality of Apple devices would suffer and the overall customer service/Apple ecosystem wouldn't be the best in the business.

That said - the N7 was "the best 7" tablet on the market" and I wasn't impressed (owned one for a few months before selling it). I'll wait to see if the N10's specs actually add up to a quality device.
 

juicytuna

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Oct 21, 2011
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Source? I just really hope I'm wrong, I really want it to be IPS.

From the verge:

Google has officially unveiled the new Nexus 10 tablet running Android 4.2. Built by Samsung but clearly designed by Google, the tablet features a very impressive 10-inch screen at 2560 x 1600 resolution, clocking in at 300ppi. Google calls it "True RGB Real Stripe PLS," and in our short time with the tablet we found it to be on par with the iPad's Retina display, with sharp text, excellent color fidelity, and great viewing angles.
 

Dg8088

macrumors newbie
Oct 29, 2012
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Nexus 10 is fugly. But good specs

More importantly the one thing I'm happy to see is the relatively small price difference between the storage versions. Kind of shows how much money apple is making from selling higher storage devices :)
 

wol

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Jun 15, 2005
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Nexus 10 is fugly. But good specs

More importantly the one thing I'm happy to see is the relatively small price difference between the storage versions. Kind of shows how much money apple is making from selling higher storage devices :)

Um, price difference between the 16GB and 32GB Nexus 10 is US$100, while it is US$100 between the 16GB and 32GB iPad. Your point being?

Though admittedly, I've always wondered why the difference between the 16GB and 32GB iPod (4th gen) amounts to just US$50. Must be the cheaper "music" flash memory in the iPod ...;)
 

Dolorian

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Yeah, the official pics look way better than the leaked photos from the other day.

Yeah and personally take back what I said about the Nexus 10 design the other day, quite glad actually that the leaked picts where not the final product. The final product actually looks quite nice.

And $500 for the 32GB is great. Now I am debating over getting the 32GB Nexus 7 or the 32GB Nexus 10...decisions. I will likely opt for the Nexus 10 as I already have a laptop and a Galaxy S3 and a Nexus 10 was what I was most interested about in the first place.

Can't wait to see the hands-on video reviews.
 
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Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you it's not amoled.

I don't know what PLS is, not it's surely better than amoled on a tablet screen.
 

Sensamic

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The back looks like rubber. It may be nicer to hold than pure plastic like on the SGS3.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.
 
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michaeljohn

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Oct 27, 2012
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Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.

Apps? Who cares? No one is buying a tablet with an awesome display like the Nexus 10 to see their Facebook and Twitter at 300ppi. They buy it for movies and games and I am sure both will look amazing.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Most of the big games look fantastic on Android tablets. Can you name a few that are blown up phone versions? I cant think of any...

The point I was making in regards to games is will they be updated to take advantage of the High PPi display, most games don't even take advantage of CPU/GPU's like the Tegra 3 chipset and that's been around a lot longer than the new display and is in many more devices including the Nexus 7.

So if developers can't factor in hardware that's already on the shelves and in many tablets & phones just yet, what are the chances they will adapt their applications to take advantage of 1 display in 1 device?
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
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So if developers can't factor in hardware that's already on the shelves and in many tablets & phones just yet, what are the chances they will adapt their applications to take advantage of 1 display in 1 device?

Android had the "Retina" stuff baked into the APIs for a long time, none of that @2x crap Apple pulled.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
That's missing the point too. Will applications take advantage of it, without being updated specifically to do so by developers ?

They have since the HTC Nexus One shipped. Again, different APIs, different mentality, different thing all together. You're trying to find equality where none exists.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
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They have since the HTC Nexus One shipped. Again, different APIs, different mentality, different thing all together. You're trying to find equality where none exists.

Really, that's quite cool. But question then do the assets (graphics) still have to be updated though?

Why then also do things like Tegra 3 have to be written specifically for them ?

I'm actually asking now as we have to create an Android & iOS app in the new year for a project I'm working on, it's basically a brochure that has to be converted to an application (I am going to be using Adobe Digital Publishing platform).
 

Lindenhurst

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Aug 24, 2011
612
0
Yeah, the official pics look way better than the leaked photos from the other day.

I still personally have no interest in the Nexus 10, but for those looking for pure Google in a 10" form, the Nexus 10 at $399 is insanely attractive.

And the resolution puts iPad's Retina to shame.

So much for the term, "retina display". I'm so glad Google didn't feel the need to create some stupid term to help push their products like Apple did.

DO people really buy into that stuff?
 

hot spare

macrumors 6502
Aug 22, 2011
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That's missing the point too. Will applications take advantage of it, without being updated specifically to do so by developers ?

Let me put it this way: If apps don't scale properly in Android, it's the developer's fault. Android has the API for the app to judge the screen-size and PPI to format the app accordingly. Fragments are there to address different screen-sizes.

http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/index.html

But these devs are so lazy that they don't want use the guidelines that google has laid out countless times. I think google has been too kind to devs. Once they start forcing devs to follow these, they will get off their lazy asses.

http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/creative-vision.html
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.

Everything will inherently look better on it. Text, videos, pictures, etc have already been said to look great.

A lot of games already have low, medium and high graphic settings like dead trigger.

Regardless I don't see a huge need for apps needing to change a lot. Since usually just text and pics anyway. There are tablets with better screens then my current Xoom and they just look a lot better since you can't see the pixels as easy.
 
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