Nexus 4 - Official - JUST ANNOUNCED $299 off contract [Merged]

[hyteckit]

Please point to where I am not using facts. Please. Here's what I wrote in case you forgot:

I said you are making up excuses.

You keep saying it's "pre-released software".
Somehow the poor battery life will somehow be magically be fixed when it is released, less than a week from now.

So what's your excuse as to why the LG Optimus G having poor battery life?

Running "pre-released software"?

 

[onthecouchagain]

I said you are making up excuses.

You keep saying it's "pre-released software".
Somehow the poor battery life will somehow be magically be fixed when it is released.

So what's your excuse as to why the LG Optimus G having poor battery life?

Running "pre-released software"?

The Optimus G isn't running a finalized version of Android 4.2, whatever it may be. Are you that amazed software can fix battery issues? You seem to believe it when it fixed the iPhone 4S and Mac battery issues.

You seem to think I'm defending the Nexus 4 blindly, yet I've said repeatedly that if these results indeed turn out as bad as they are, it's a pass on the Nexus 4. But, as I said before, as someone who makes up their mind about a product, I'm not surprised you've made up your mind about people too.

But I'm glad you agree that I've stated nothing but facts. That concludes our conversation.

This thermal throttling thing could be a deal breaker

Yep. Google fumbled the release big time. All this confusion is discouraging for early adopters.

Yup. Bad turn of events for the Nexus 4. This thermal throttling thing can be a huge problem.

Could be Google's "antennagate." Thermalgate.

Probably. But that would be sad to have to do that. I'm not purchasing a device that isn't supposed to work the way it's supposed to work.

now, instead of waiting for a potential 32gb, I'm waiting mainly to see if this thermal throttling issue, whatever it is, can be resolved.

Otherwise, Galaxy Nexus until Nexus 2013.

 

[hyteckit]

The Optimus G isn't running a finalized version of Android 4.2, whatever it may be. Are you that amazed software can fix battery issues? You seem to believe it when it fixed the iPhone 4S and Mac battery issues.

Because the LG Optimus G runs on Android 4.1 from what I understand. So Android 4.1 is unfinished software?

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You seem to think I'm defending the Nexus 4 blindly, yet I've said repeatedly that if these results indeed turn out as bad as they are, it's a pass on the Nexus 4. But, as I said before, as someone who makes up their mind about a product, I'm not surprised you've made up your mind about people too.

But I'm glad you agree that I've stated nothing but facts. That concludes our conversation.

And who said I made up my mind that I won't buy a Nexus 4 in the future?

Because I mention Nexus 4's poor battery life? Just stating a fact based on multiple reviews who've done benchmarks?

I brought up the Nexus 4's poor battery life. You immediately accuse me of "blind loyalty".

Seems that you've made up your mind about me pre-maturely.


The only person who has "blind loyalty" and making up your mind about people pre-maturely is you.

Your "blind loyalty" is causing you to make up one excuse after another.

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Blind loyalty? Back when I had an Android, it failed to satisfy my smartphone needs. Switched to an iPHone 4S. Then, Android suddenly jumped ahead and it felt like iOS failed to meet my needs, so I switched back, this time making a smarter decision to go with the Nexus line. How is any of this blind loyalty? I've said in multiple posts that I'm cautiously optimistic to see what iOS 7 brings with Ive at the helm. If it should deliver, I'd happily switch back. If the Nexus 4 should truly flunk, I simply won't upgrade. Is that so difficult a concept to believe?

Can the same be said about you and Apple? I hope so.

I've own 2 android phones and 2 7" android tablets.

Galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A100. Both sucks by the way. Battery life sucks.
Ran every Android OS from Froyo to ICS.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Because the LG Optimus G runs on Android 4.1 from what I understand. So Android 4.1 is unfinished software?




And who said I made up my mind that I won't buy a Nexus 4 in the future?

Because I mention Nexus 4's poor battery life? Just stating a fact based on multiple reviews who've done benchmarks?

I brought up the Nexus 4's poor battery life. You immediately accuse me of "blind loyalty".

Seems that you've made up your mind about me pre-maturely.


The only person who has "blind loyalty" and making up your mind about people pre-maturely is you.

Your "blind loyalty" is causing you to make up one excuse after another.

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I've own 2 android phones and 2 7" android tablets.

Galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A100. Both sucks by the way. Ran every Android OS from Froyo to ICS.

Then I rescind my comments. I'm sorry for judging you. No hard feelings, mate. Really.

The Nexus 4 battery issues are, indeed, a concern. You compare the browsing time of the LG Optimus G to the iPhone 5, which the iPhone 5 clearly beats out. On the other hand, though, LG nearly doubles the battery life in talk time to the iPh5.

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Because the LG Optimus G runs on Android 4.1 from what I understand. So Android 4.1 is unfinished software?

Just going to point out the iPhone 4S and macs were running finished software too. They still had battery problems and required software update(s) to fix. Don't see why that's so different. The problem is, the LG will never get updated, at least not from Google. And yes, going from 4.1 to 4.2 could provide changes to battery consumption. Don't see why not.

 

[THE JUICEMAN]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/07/google-nexus-4-review-the-beautifully-crafted-premium-flagship-phone-that-android-deserves/

This is the best review I have seen so far.

 

[cynics]

When I hear the term "developer's phone" the thing that comes to mind is a world phone, with a simple enclosure, a great internal design, and most of the current technologies. And while Android 4.2 looks pretty innovative, I can't help but wonder what Google actually designed in the Nexus 4? And where did the innovation go?

I'm a fan of the Nexus line, but aside from the curved sides, chamfered edges, omission of LTE, and addition of wireless charging the Nexus 4 is just a restyled Optimus G.

I for one would love to see an original Google design, which is why a Motorola Nexus phone would be a step in the right direction. By going with LG, the Nexus 4 is visually and physically more appealing. It is a sleeker design, which is another way that Google can capture audiences outside of developers.

A "developer's phone" doesn't need to be sleek. If it can be lighter, more durable, and more cost efficient as a plastic phone (similar to the Galaxy Nexus), then more thought should go into current technologies such as LTE and battery (so far there are mixed reviews and it doesn't even include this battery draining technology). Looks are objective, but the selling point of a Nexus 4 is in its price and the pure Android experience.

You are describing the N4.

It wasnt until the galaxy nexus that the nexus dream began to be realized being pentaband and only until later in its life when it was sold by Google at near cost.

Now introduce the N4. Supports all bands which is the latest and greatest hardware out radio wise, excellent screen 300+ PPI covered with cornings gorilla glass 2, hdmi, NFC, wireless charging, massive amounts of RAM, massively powerful processor all running under the latest version of Android and will stay the latest for at least 18 months. All in a SINGLE device for 299/349 off contract?! That's amazing!

I say single device because there is only one model (2 if you count storage size 16/32) which is why it doesn't have LTE. There is no good way to make a single phone work on every carriers LTE, so it's not supported. This is by far the best global phone bar none (including the Optimus G).

That said I will not be an early adopter of the N4. I'm satisfied in my iPhone 4S world. And I will be curious to see how the issues rumored and seen on the Optimus G work out for the N4. But if its relatively bug free I feel it will be the best phone on the market and that's compounded due to the price.

 

[onthecouchagain]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/07/google-nexus-4-review-the-beautifully-crafted-premium-flagship-phone-that-android-deserves/

This is the best review I have seen so far.

Just like the Verge review and others, they praise the battery. More evidence the unfinished software is wrecking havoc with consistency. Most of the "bad" battery reviews aren't even that bad to begin with. They're just not superb.

After hearing Anandtech's podcast, I'm feeling a lot better about the Nexus 4. It definitely sounds like it's a software issue, where 4.2 needs to be optimized to quad-core. I think this is something Google can fix. (The Anandtech folks go on to praise the device and Jelly Bean. I mean, they were singing praises galore).

And after understanding what throttling means, I get why the benchmarks are so wonky. It sounds like there might be an overheating issue, which leads to the throttling, which leads to the poor benchmarks. The question is, what is causing the Nexus 4 to overheat?

I think it's all interrelated. Either way, Google must address before release, or very soon after.

 

[flopticalcube]

J The question is, what is causing the Nexus 4 to overheat?

The clue was given to you in the podcast. After being taken apart, they said there was lacking in heat sinking. Again, its not much worse, if any worse at all, from other phones with power hungry processors and it may simply be that they are throttling it a little too soon for safety sake. This margin of safety may be made smaller in the production software thus throttling later (hotter) or throttling less or both.

 

[3bs]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/07/google-nexus-4-review-the-beautifully-crafted-premium-flagship-phone-that-android-deserves/

This is the best review I have seen so far.

Looks like a good review but in the battery life section they have screenshots that don't make sense. The first and second screenshots shows the phone Screen on while the phone is not Awake and how is the screen on more than awake? How is that possible?

 

[sarcosis]

If it's overheating, that means it's probably not multi-threading properly. There are processes taxing one or two cores more than the dual core. It also might be that Jellybean 4.2 is overly aggressive at throttling to prevent issues. Generally, even in the pc world, if you aren't locking up, the safety is working. In fact, most CPU's these days have a built in fail safe that if it get's to hot, it will shut down right away. that usually happens in PC's, but it seems like Android has built in throttling, so that should never happen. I wouldn't worry about the phone over heating less you are running NOVA on a 120 degree day in death valley or a super hot car in Florida in the summer. If you get a Nexus 4 and it's locking up and throttling like crazy, you've got a defective unit.

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[onthecouchagain]

Looks like a good review but in the battery life section they have screenshots that don't make sense. The first and second screenshots shows the phone Screen on while the phone is not Awake and how is the screen on more than awake? How is that possible?

The new Daydream screen saver feature, maybe?

 

[sarcosis]

Looks like a good review but in the battery life section they have screenshots that don't make sense. The first and second screenshots shows the phone Screen on while the phone is not Awake and how is the screen on more than awake? How is that possible?

Yeah, that's a strange one. My gut feeling is that it's a bug that needs to get worked out. Perhaps that's the bug that's killing some of the Nexus 4's and not some of the others.

 

[onthecouchagain]

The clue was given to you in the podcast. After being taken apart, they said there was lacking in heat sinking. Again, its not much worse, if any worse at all, from other phones with power hungry processors and it may simply be that they are throttling it a little too soon for safety sake. This margin of safety may be made smaller in the production software thus throttling later (hotter) or throttling less or both.

If it's overheating, that means it's probably not multi-threading properly. There are processes taxing one or two cores more than the dual core. It also might be that Jellybean 4.2 is overly aggressive at throttling to prevent issues. Generally, even in the pc world, if you aren't locking up, the safety is working. In fact, most CPU's these days have a built in fail safe that if it get's to hot, it will shut down right away. that usually happens in PC's, but it seems like Android has built in throttling, so that should never happen. I wouldn't worry about the phone over heating less you are running NOVA on a 120 degree day in death valley or a super hot car in Florida in the summer. If you get a Nexus 4 and it's locking up and throttling like crazy, you've got a defective unit.

Both illuminating. Thanks.

As I said, I feel much better after hearing their podcast. I wasn't going to be an early adopter anyway (still holding out for that 32gb) but it's nice to hear that this is all fixable with software.

 

[3bs]

The new Daydream screen saver feature, maybe?

Didn't think of that, good catch. I guess that's possible

Yeah, that's a strange one. My gut feeling is that it's a bug that needs to get worked out. Perhaps that's the bug that's killing some of the Nexus 4's and not some of the others.

Might be what onthecouchagain suggested.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Wow, it looks a lot wider than the GN. Don't know if it's the angle or not, but that worries me some.

EDIT: Well, it's easier to grip due to the rubber framework sides, though. That's thankful.

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"I suspect the lackluster benchmark scores are because nothing is capable of tapping into all the power the quad core processor is putting out. It sometimes scores evenly with dual core Snapdragons, which suggests the benchmarks aren't using cores 3 and 4. It could also be the beta version of Android 4.2 that I'm running, so I'll double check the benchmarks once the retail OTA hits. Hopefully whatever software is broken will catch up to this sometime soon."

-Android Police

This is really a superb review. It covers everything that I am wondering about the device. Everything.

 

[sarcosis]

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Wow, it looks a lot wider than the GN. Don't know if it's the angle or not, but that worries me some.

EDIT: Well, it's easier to grip due to the rubber framework sides, though. That's thankful.

It has the be the angle. It's only something like .67mm difference. I got out a ruler and check that out and it's a very small difference. That's just going by what the specs say. I hope it's accurate since I bought a Mofi Pouch to fit the Galaxy Nexus lol.

 

[onthecouchagain]

It has the be the angle. It's only something like .67mm difference. I got out a ruler and check that out and it's a very small difference. That's just going by what the specs say. I hope it's accurate since I bought a Mofi Pouch to fit the Galaxy Nexus lol.

I have this to fit my GN:

Hope that will fit the Nexus 4 too one day!

 

[strausd]

I emailed Google Play support to ask if they will start selling the Nexus 4 at midnight. Doubt I will get a concrete answer, but it doesn't hurt to ask

 

[DeathChill]

I am confused about the battery life portion of the review. The total time says the phone has been off the charger for 12ish hours and the reviewer says that the screen on time was 2 hours and 40 minutes. Am I misunderstanding or is he saying th battery was almost dead at under 3 hours of use? That seems REALLY low to me so maybe I'm misunderstanding?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Yes!

"LG and Google saw fit to give the Nexus 4 a full color notification LED"

 

[sarcosis]

+1!

 

[strausd]

Yes!

"LG and Google saw fit to give the Nexus 4 a full color notification LED"

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How easy is it to change the colors for different alerts?

 

[Vitrum]

Yes!

"LG and Google saw fit to give the Nexus 4 a full color notification LED"

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Thats cool

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Hope that will fit the Nexus 4 too one day!

That looks exactly like the cover that came with my Nexus One.

 

[tjl3]

You are describing the N4.

It wasnt until the galaxy nexus that the nexus dream began to be realized being pentaband and only until later in its life when it was sold by Google at near cost.

Now introduce the N4. Supports all bands which is the latest and greatest hardware out radio wise, excellent screen 300+ PPI covered with cornings gorilla glass 2, hdmi, NFC, wireless charging, massive amounts of RAM, massively powerful processor all running under the latest version of Android and will stay the latest for at least 18 months. All in a SINGLE device for 299/349 off contract?! That's amazing!

I say single device because there is only one model (2 if you count storage size 16/32) which is why it doesn't have LTE. There is no good way to make a single phone work on every carriers LTE, so it's not supported. This is by far the best global phone bar none (including the Optimus G).

The CDMA iPhone 5 covers both GSM and CDMA networks, as well as HSPA+ and some LTE bands. It sounds less and less likely that Nexus 4 is coming to CDMA networks based on rumors, but a single device that would work across networks is what he was going for I think. Remembering back to the GNex, there were several variants and not just based on storage capacity.

It has the be the angle. It's only something like .67mm difference. I got out a ruler and check that out and it's a very small difference. That's just going by what the specs say. I hope it's accurate since I bought a Mofi Pouch to fit the Galaxy Nexus lol.

The screen is definitely wider though. It has a 16:10 aspect ratio compared to the 16:9 in the GNex. And interestingly, if you do the math, the amount of video on the screen in landscape is about the same as you would get on both screens. A 16:9 video actually gives something like 0.02" less width on a 4.7" 16:10 screen than on a 4.65" 16:9 screen. Heh, I was curious how much screen was gained/lost b/c of the increase in size but difference in aspect ratio.