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JDDavis

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Because I said I'd be using the 28-300 -- here's an image of it.

On 15 December 1974, Navy Lt. John Wantz flew his RF-8 reconnaissance jet into Mauna Kea, Hawai'i, at about the 11,300' level. I don't know that the Navy ever learned why it happened.

This is part of the wreckage. I offered Lt. Wantz my respects -- it's been just over 40 years since the crash, and it's not clear that every bit of him has been found and removed.

I did put the 14-24 in my backpack, and 2013 12 26 051-2.jpg gives you a wide view of the site. All the others were made with the 28-300.

Thanks for posting that. When you first mentioned you were going to do that I wanted to ask you about it. I was (technically still am) an aircraft mishap investigator for the US Air Force and have worked a few sites. I'm surprised that even in the 70's they did not completely clean up the crash site. These days if the site is accessible everything will be removed. I have a friend who searches for WWII crash sites (there are still plenty that haven't been found) and I always wanted to go with him to photograph the site. That's the first way to lay claim to the ident plate on the aircraft if you want to recover it.
 

monokakata

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May 8, 2008
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I'm surprised also (about the cleanup). I wasn't living on the Big Island when it happened, and the local papers don't have online archives.

The clearest statement I could find was from 2001.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2001/05/02/news/story14.html

As I'm sure you know, the Navy has a large presence in Hawai'i. The Army has a training area that would be about 3 hours from the crash site (the road is very rough, but the distance isn't great). The article reports that civilian emergency workers recovered the body, and that surprised me.

And then it was also surprising that in 2001 more of Lt. Wantz's remains were found at the site. This is surprising because the military has a large recovery and indentification operation on Oahu.

It's not a particularly hostile environment up there, although you have to be careful. As the article says, the weather was bad. There's potentially bad weather on Mauna Kea all the time, but there are predictably periods of good weather, and good times of day. Putting it another way, if somebody charged me with the task of combing that area for human remains, I'd ask for a couple of weeks, maybe a month at most, and I'd have enough good days to get the job done. Yesterday there were very strong winds at the site, but the air temperature was around 60. I could have been at the site another couple of hours, easily, before the clouds came in.

It's all surprising.

I've been all over Mauna Kea, and this site is typical -- rocks, cinder, sand, a few outcroppings of lava. I drove my old 4Runner to within 1.4 miles of the crash, and had to gain only about 600' elevation.

In other words, getting to the site wasn't a big deal. Given that, it's hard to see why a team of a couple of dozen soldiers wasn't sent there to finish the cleanup. I don't know what kind of equipment they (I don't even know who "they" were) used to get out the engine and perhaps what was left of the cockpit, the cameras, and so on. When you scar Mauna Kea with heavy equipment at that altitude, the scars remain for a long time. I didn't see anything like heavy equipment tracks around the site.

I think the site is close to the top operational altitude for helicopters, but maybe they managed to fly out what they wanted.

I'm standing near the tail section (the engine's gone), and the only other large section is what seems to be part of a wing. It just doesn't seem a very large job to me, and yet it wasn't done. So there must have been a reason.

The wreckage is a bit of a local landmark, because you can see it from some of the lower roads, but I doubt that's why it wasn't cleaned up. Certainly it's not doing any damage to anything, and that might be the reason -- just let it alone. The only degradable part I saw was one of the wheels, complete with tire.

The site is at about 19° 50.8' N, 155° 24.8' W. The news articles talk about "11,300'" but I had 2 GPS units with me, and both agreed (as does Google Earth) that it's more like 11,000'.

If you PM me with an email address, I'll get more images of the site to you.
 
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JDDavis

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Jan 16, 2009
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Getting to know my D750 and the 24-85 f2.8. Here's a few images that have been made with the combo. Like most Nikons the D750 seems to naturally overexpose a bit. It seems to be a bit more than my D90 so I'm still dialing it in. I need to learn more about the metering modes. The high ISO capabilities are impressive. I've gotten pretty nice family pics in situations the D90 would've produced tons of noise.

The first is maybe a 90% crop from a bright sunlight shot. I was just looking at the sharpness of the camera and lens combo.

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http://jddavis.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v105/p858794702-6.jpg


The second is a short in well before sunrise of the local coal plant. It was a long exposure on a tripod at ISO 100. I think it could've been better but the wind was blowing a bit. So far I'm pretty happy and as I get more used to the camera I think it will get better.

p819202839-6.jpg

http://jddavis.zenfolio.com/img/s7/v167/p819202839-6.jpg
 

snerkler

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Feb 14, 2012
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Bit late to join the party on this, and haven't read through all the posts so not sure if the OP has made his mind up yet, but here's my twopenneth worth.

I recently bought the D750 too, but am in a similar position as cannot afford the top end lenses. Whilst I appreciate it does seem a waste not putting the best lenses on a camera like this I am playing the long game, knowing where I want to end up as and when I can save the money. Unfortunately we can't all afford all the best gear from scratch, and having swapped systems (Sony APS-C) I knew I'd have to make compromises to start with.

If I had the choice though I'D have bought the 24-70mm f2.8 (or even the 28-70mm f2.8) and 70-300mm VRII, plus the 85mm f1.8.

Instead I have a used 70-300mm VRII, cheap as chips 28-105mm f3.5-4.5D (actually a pretty nice lens) and cheap as chips 50mm f1.8, all for considerably less than the price of a used 24-70mm f2.8. I would recommend something like this over the 28-300mm tbh, but if the OP can afford the 24-70mm and telephoto I'd suggest this.
 

Meister

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Bit late to join the party on this, and haven't read through all the posts so not sure if the OP has made his mind up yet, but here's my twopenneth worth.

I recently bought the D750 too, but am in a similar position as cannot afford the top end lenses. Whilst I appreciate it does seem a waste not putting the best lenses on a camera like this I am playing the long game, knowing where I want to end up as and when I can save the money. Unfortunately we can't all afford all the best gear from scratch, and having swapped systems (Sony APS-C) I knew I'd have to make compromises to start with.

If I had the choice though I'D have bought the 24-70mm f2.8 (or even the 28-70mm f2.8) and 70-300mm VRII, plus the 85mm f1.8.

Instead I have a used 70-300mm VRII, cheap as chips 28-105mm f3.5-4.5D (actually a pretty nice lens) and cheap as chips 50mm f1.8, all for considerably less than the price of a used 24-70mm f2.8. I would recommend something like this over the 28-300mm tbh, but if the OP can afford the 24-70mm and telephoto I'd suggest this.
The 50mm 1.8g is much better than the 24-70 f2.8.
Just because a lens doesn't cost much, doesn't mean it is bad quality.
 

snerkler

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Feb 14, 2012
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The 50mm 1.8g is much better than the 24-70 f2.8.
Just because a lens doesn't cost much, doesn't mean it is bad quality.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting it was. The OP wanted a walkabout/all-in-one lens though and as such the 24-70mm fits the bill better imo that's all :)
 

JDDavis

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Jan 16, 2009
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Bit late to join the party on this, and haven't read through all the posts so not sure if the OP has made his mind up yet, but here's my twopenneth worth.

I recently bought the D750 too, but am in a similar position as cannot afford the top end lenses. Whilst I appreciate it does seem a waste not putting the best lenses on a camera like this I am playing the long game, knowing where I want to end up as and when I can save the money. Unfortunately we can't all afford all the best gear from scratch, and having swapped systems (Sony APS-C) I knew I'd have to make compromises to start with.

If I had the choice though I'D have bought the 24-70mm f2.8 (or even the 28-70mm f2.8) and 70-300mm VRII, plus the 85mm f1.8.

Instead I have a used 70-300mm VRII, cheap as chips 28-105mm f3.5-4.5D (actually a pretty nice lens) and cheap as chips 50mm f1.8, all for considerably less than the price of a used 24-70mm f2.8. I would recommend something like this over the 28-300mm tbh, but if the OP can afford the 24-70mm and telephoto I'd suggest this.

I'm getting more use to my new D750 and 24-85 f2.8-4. Though the 24-70 f2.8 is a gold standard I wanted to try something that was a bit more compact and lighter because I do a lot of climbing and hiking. The 24-85 is a good bit lighter and more compact and so far it seems to be a great compromise to the 24-70. 24-70 for $1800 or 24-85 for $400 used....so far I'm not sure the extra awesomeness of the 24-70 (and extra size and weight) is worth another $1400. One day I will probably pick one up though.

I'm still feeling out the D750 with the 24-85 on it but here's another pic. This was at 85mm and I'm pretty happy with sharpness at both ends. We've only had one sunny day since I got the thing. I do miss the convenience of "walking around" with my 18-300 but I wouldn't go back to it now.

p160429513-6.jpg

http://jddavis.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v36/p160429513-6.jpg

BTW, I'll continue to agree with everyone on the 50 f1.8. It's tiny, light, cheap and takes fantastic pics. Everyone should have one even if it's just an emergency backup lens.
 
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