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nMP in the end it was not for me - I replaced it with

scottsjack said:
This thread helps to confirm two things that I have been saying for awhile;

1. First the 2013 Mac Pro is a terrific computer but for a limited number of uses. There is a lot of flexibility and technology left out but for the intended users that is not only not a problem but actually an asset.

2. Apple's product line is riddled with holes like Swiss Cheese. Apple is leaving a tremendous amount of money on the table by not producing a more powerful, user configurable mini (a midi?) and a mini-tower with PCIe slots, space for a couple of hard drives, space for at least a thinline ODD, four accessible RAM slots and choice of top i7 processors.

Then again how much of a market share does Mac have to grab before they get into Microsoft-like trouble?
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Have you read the isaacson Steve jobs bio? Apple already has a wide palette of computers that is on the edge of what's good for them I'd say.
First thing Steve did when he came back in 2000 was cut the whole sortiment, get rid of useless models and FOCUS on a few great products!
 
But It's Not a Solid OS X Machine

Sure you might be able to get it hackintoshed. You might even get good performance. But you won't ever get the great performance you would get on a Mac. You should've kept the Mac Pro. It's the greatest machine on the market right now!!!!!! You had the best of the best, and you traded it for a couple bucks and an HP. Epic. Fail.
 
SuperPolli said:
Sure you might be able to get it hackintoshed. You might even get good performance. But you won't ever get the great performance you would get on a Mac. You should've kept the Mac Pro. It's the greatest machine on the market right now!!!!!! You had the best of the best, and you traded it for a couple bucks and an HP. Epic. Fail.
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I like Apple, but you should put the cup down, you've had enough kool-aid for today.

I might shock people but there are other options out there that are more appropriate depending on the work you do. Armchair editors wouldn't understand it and that's fine but it's hardly an 'epic fail'. And as he stated, it's not primarily an OSX machine anyway.
 
Whys everyone beating this guy up? its his money and his choice and hes just provided an explanation of why the nMP wasnt for him.
 
razer said:
Whys everyone beating this guy up? its his money and his choice and hes just provided an explanation of why the nMP wasnt for him.
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Exactly, to each his own. Get what's best for you, and gets the job done.

He found out that the new MP didn't suit his needs as well as he thought, and he got what does. No issues here at all, and he just shared his reasons and experiences.
 
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Agree with last poster, it's his money he takes his choice.

Incidentally I built a Hackinstosh a few of months ago, based on i7 with dual GTX 780 cards it was a beast but in the end I gave it up and sold it on Ebay for the following reasons:

1. It was too noisy even though had water cooler Corsair 100i

2. OSX kept developing small issues - Preview would keep crashing until machine was rebooted, bluetooth mouse and keyboard kept getting disconnected and other niggles, all down to drivers and kernel issues.

3. No Thunderbolt connections on the motherboard so future accessories might be a problem.

I ended ordering a Mac Pro 6 core with D700 cards and 32G ram / 512 SSD, waiting for delivery, for me it might be a little over spec but it is a TRUE Mac and will take care of anything I throw at it plus will be decent gamer in Windows.

Each to their own.
 
To each his own, of course. And nobody should be forced to use a Mac if another machine / OS combination fits better to his needs. But with one note: Noone can seriously suggest that a hackintosh is the way to go for a serious work. That's just dumb, it's not a matter of opinion of fanboyism. The argument that it works now is totally moot as it might change any day. Hackintosh is just a hobby that if you have the time to spend, it might be fun.
 
Geez Guys (and Gals)

I didnt want this to turn into a mac/pc slugfest. I regret posting now.

I tried to be plain and clear with why I changed from the nMP, and I do think the nMP is a lovely machine, (Just not for me). As many will not see my choice of machine as the best, but each to his/her own.

For me as some of my apps are WIN based only and I could not install WIN on the nMP I had and I really did not like having multiple external drives. Nothing else I dont have a hated of macs! I like using OSX (The reason I have put OSX on my HP), so I can tinker with it when not working,

Luckily I dont have any work critical apps that are OSX only, so I do have the choice to run the system for work as WIN only.

As stated my work critical apps are all running in WIN now and running well,

So can we draw a line under this with the conclusion that.

I have a system that works well for me, would not suit everyone but thank goodness everyone in this world is different and has their own needs otherwise it would be a very bland and grey place.

System has now gone live in my workflow in WIN mode. Thanks all...
 
Stageshoot said:
Geez Guys (and Gals)

I didnt want this to turn into a mac/pc slugfest. I regret posting now.

I tried to be plain and clear with why I changed from the nMP, and I do think the nMP is a lovely machine, (Just not for me). As many will not see my choice of machine as the best, but each to his/her own.

For me as some of my apps are WIN based only and I could not install WIN on the nMP I had and I really did not like having multiple external drives. Nothing else I dont have a hated of macs! I like using OSX (The reason I have put OSX on my HP), so I can tinker with it when not working,

Luckily I dont have any work critical apps that are OSX only, so I do have the choice to run the system for work as WIN only.

As stated my work critical apps are all running in WIN now and running well,

So can we draw a line under this with the conclusion that.

I have a system that works well for me, would not suit everyone but thank goodness everyone in this world is different and has their own needs otherwise it would be a very bland and grey place.

System has now gone live in my workflow in WIN mode. Thanks all...
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Great find! The dell box is an excellent example of legacy hardware at a great price that runs OSX out of the box, with much better expandability than the 2nd & 3rd Generation MP. Thanks for sharing.
 
You must be new to MacRumors.

You know that anytime you post good or bad info regarding anything Apple, you will be met with some resistance.

I like your post and its informative.

It does tell me that I have no patience for any Hackintosh.

At REDUSER where I frequent, its highly touted and most are successful using it.

But again I don't have the balls :p
 
Stageshoot said:
Geez Guys (and Gals)

I didnt want this to turn into a mac/pc slugfest. I regret posting now.

I tried to be plain and clear with why I changed from the nMP, and I do think the nMP is a lovely machine, (Just not for me). As many will not see my choice of machine as the best, but each to his/her own.

For me as some of my apps are WIN based only and I could not install WIN on the nMP I had and I really did not like having multiple external drives. Nothing else I dont have a hated of macs! I like using OSX (The reason I have put OSX on my HP), so I can tinker with it when not working,

Luckily I dont have any work critical apps that are OSX only, so I do have the choice to run the system for work as WIN only.

As stated my work critical apps are all running in WIN now and running well,

So can we draw a line under this with the conclusion that.

I have a system that works well for me, would not suit everyone but thank goodness everyone in this world is different and has their own needs otherwise it would be a very bland and grey place.

System has now gone live in my workflow in WIN mode. Thanks all...
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Hi Stageshoot. No worries on your posting. People's needs and opinions vary. And good that you found a suitable setup for your needs. Currently, I work closely with another colleague who is a designer/flash animator who is using a 4 year old PC Windows. He is earning good income from his old machine. We've gotten along quite well as a team even though he is a Windows user. I avoid getting into a debate with him in persuading him to switch to a Mac. He's a speed demon as he finishes his work fast as he is good with concepts and he has mastered Adobe softwares with shortcuts. Another designer was criticizing my colleague on his using an old PC Windows machine. I jokingly told this designer, " Keep in mind,he is earning more money than you using a 4 year old PC computer which is cool." :D
 
namethisfile said:
nice. i've always like the hp z800. looks like you just need to upgrade your monitor.

p.s. -- sorry i have a "thing" with pricey, expensive pc's hooked up to a "cheap" monitor. it's "out of balance"
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:D I know... the screen is only from my HP N54L Server, i would not normally use it for work, just so happens to be on the desk were I was setting up and playing with stuff.
 
Stageshoot said:
:D I know... the screen is only from my HP N54L Server, i would not normally use it for work, just so happens to be on the desk were I was setting up and playing with stuff.
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oh, ok. what monitor do you usually use then, if, i may ask?
 
Nice! I might have to look into something like this next, may I ask why you didn't spec it out completely? As you spent the amount you did on your nMP how come you didn't spend the same on th hp? No need?

Sorry just wondering!

Cheers
 
I don't think you could beat price/performance than with the way you went...less than $1700 for a dual 2.93GHz Xeon Workstation. Numbers similar to a 12-core Mac Pro...

I still would prefer to have a 2010/2012 Mac Pro tower, personally. The whole plethora of things that could go wrong with a Hackintosh setup could be eliminated by staying with native Apple hardware...issues involving kernel, card compatibility with Mac OS X, various driver problems, etc....there are lots of technical problems that you must face with a Hackintosh when trying to guarantee that your peripherals all work properly. Too much for me to bother with.

But, yes...even still...a used 12-core tower on eBay is not a cheap thing...and I would rather buy a refurb to get a clean, quality box...those are not cheap either.

I have no use for Windows...Mac does everything I need....but yeah, your numbers are impressive there.
 
Smart move, will save lots of lags and pain, i also switched to Windows 8.1 after being forever on os x, more problems was solved and actually not that bad of a system, performance is epic, mac pro is not for real pro work, i don't think it ever was, great on paper in specs, in real world it performs no better than $4000 pc, even thought those d700 are considered to be retailed at $4000 each. If you break through this metro nightmare it is objectively very nice operating system and is really not that much inconvenient, just 30% ugly :)
 
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With options like the quo motherboard that can be flashed to full EFI, I'm skipping Apple's Mac Pro. It takes care of 95% of the Hackintosh related issues
http://quocomputer.com/product-category/motherboard/

I'll be going the route of Hacktinosh for my desktop replacement. The new Mac Pro is spiffy but a narrow scope. Apple doesn't make a utility computer anymore: one with internal storage and PCIe slots. The dual Fire Pros is awesome for but only for a few tasks.

As someone who's primary uses for his desktop for music creation, graphics editing/digital photography, media storage, web development, and gaming, the Mac Pro isn't a smart buy.

An Intel Core i7-3770K + Quo motherboard + 16 GB of ram + 750W silent PSU + GTX 760 can be had for under $900. Add in a case and you're at Mac Pro performance for most things and its under a grand (sans storage). You can even go six core and be at $1200. It'll play games faster, has internal storage options and PCIe slots for any audio cards/storage adapters/networking adapters/video editing cards etc
 
I think basically people who have ordered a nMP can get a bit scared/defensive when they read a thread like this. As others have said if it suits your needs then good for u. I have ordered a nMP 8 core maxed out and I'm still questioning what the the boost will be over my pimped 2009 oMP. So many things to consider - I could buy a car for the same cost, But every 3/4 years it's one of the things I look forward to the most updating my work tool. Hope ur new pc works out for u. :)
 
Stageshoot said:
I didnt want this to turn into a mac/pc slugfest. I regret posting now.
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Most professional folk with clear eyes will not fault you for using the best machine for your work. I'm sorry for you that some of your apps are Win-only though. That means you have to deal with Windows for your work, and that's not a fun place to be. That's why most of use OS X -- not because they're the fastest machines available, but because the tight software-hardware relationship means they're incredibly stable machines, and OS X gets out of your way and lets you focus on work.

I will say though, that the Gawker-esque clickbait title of your thread makes it seem a bit like you were trying to troll, even if you were not.
 
petsounds said:
Most professional folk with clear eyes will not fault you for using the best machine for your work. I'm sorry for you that some of your apps are Win-only though. That means you have to deal with Windows for your work, and that's not a fun place to be. That's why most of use OS X -- not because they're the fastest machines available, but because the tight software-hardware relationship means they're incredibly stable machines, and OS X gets out of your way and lets you focus on work.

I will say though, that the Gawker-esque clickbait title of your thread makes it seem a bit like you were trying to troll, even if you were not.
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His post was very rationale.

I'm sorry, but are you trying to troll? Its a little bit arrogant saying you feel sorry for someone that uses software what is not on OS X.

Professional folk use the right tools for their Job, there are a magnitude of professionals out there that a Mac is not an option. They do just fine.

I run OS X mavericks on my Imac/rMBP and Windows 7 pro on my PC.... I am happy to discuss which is more stable/less buggy if you like. Even more happy to discuss safari on my Ipad Air..... though unless stable means multiple daily crashes, it's far from stable.

My point is, there is no magic OS/hardware combination that is incredibly stable, don't blame the OS for poorly written software running on it. Apple does have an advantage, cause the control the hardware/software, but they also release bugs.... hence we get constant updated to both OS X/iOS. And depending on the software you use for your professional work, there are plenty that are more stable on a PC. OS X is not magical!
 
MH01 said:
I'm sorry, but are you trying to troll? Its a little bit arrogant saying you feel sorry for someone that uses software what is not on OS X.

Professional folk use the right tools for their Job, there are a magnitude of professionals out there that a Mac is not an option. They do just fine.
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I said that I felt sorry that he had to use Windows. How is that trolling? This is a Mac enthusiast site, so that is a commonly-held viewpoint here. Windows offers a worse user experience, and if you're interacting with 3rd-party hardware like audio devices, it can be a frustrating experience as compared with OS X. I'm speaking generally -- obviously there are cases where some bit of software runs better on Windows. So yes, I feel sorry for anyone that is forced to use Windows on a daily basis when they would rather not, and I stick by that.
 
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