Idk dude, the major flaw to all new networks is that the modems always suck and then draw a ton of battery on top of that. If Apple released that it would get slammed hard.
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Yup. 4G phones were horrible. HTC Thunderbolt had like 3 minutes of LTE screen time.
The problem is, Apple is on track to do exactly that. Apple is expected to use Intel's first gen 5G modem (10nm) in 2020. Currently shipping 5G modems all use 7nm. By 2020, 5nm will be in volume production for leading edge 5G modems.
I’m confused about the entire “Apple is expected to use Intel 5G modems” thing. My understanding is that Intel announced that their XMM 8160 5G modem was being released 6-months earlier than previously thought. It will be available 2H2019 and will be in devices by 2H2020. Fully integrated modem, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, Sub 600 MHz, mmwave, etc. Then that Bloomberg article comes out last week and that Cowan guy mentions that Intel’s modem will not offer mmwave connectivity. Where did that info come from? Intel announces the CMM 8160 in November and now it’s not going to include mmwave connectivity? I’ve seen no other mentions before or after that Intel was ditching mmwave connectivity.
People can disagree all they want, but if Apple does not offer a competitive 5G iPhone by the end of 2020, it is bad news for them.
Armchair CEOs have been talking about such doomsday stuff since the beginning of time. The bottom line is that every company goes through their glory days and then falls at some point if they can’t change with time.
The difference between Apple and some of the other such tech companies is that Apple is not a mobile phone manufacturing company, it’s a consumer tech company, and they are not bound my such technological dependencies on one particular platform. Today iPhone might be there biggest selling device, but in the last decade it was the iPod and in the next decade it could be something completely different.
So let’s just be realistic about the future. With the kind of cash they are sitting on, even just to feel the doom and gloom it will take a decade for them. Hopefully they will either shift focus towards the next big thing by then or will perish like every other company if they can’t change with time.
As (hopefully) more educated consumers of Apple products, we see through what you yourself admitted is just a marketing ploy.
Dollars to donuts Apple will be just fine.
And then there are cases like myself. I couldnt wait for the iPhone 5 for LTE and a larger screen so I got a Samsung Galaxy S3 from the iPhone 4.
Not making that mistake again. 4G LTE is fast enough that I can wait a bit longer for Apple to properly intgrate 5G into the iPhone.
Consider the sequence of events - Intel magically pulled in the schedule for XMM 8160 by 6 months so it would align with the 8060. Why couldn’t they do that before?
Keep in mind that Intel hasn’t displayed any working or non-working 5G silicon, even during MWC 2019.
Intel’s XMM 8060 has never been demonstrated and now Intel is claiming 8160 is expected to come sooner than expected. It’s possible Intel has an ace up their sleeve, but given the failure with the 8060, the 8160 is likely very rushed with questionable support for mmWave.
The main issue here is Apple adopting what is likely to be a first gen 5G chip in 2020 while Qualcomm and Huawei will be shipping second gen on 5nm.
Intel pulled the XMM 8060 months ago...replaced it with the 8160.
I agree, regardless of whether-or-not the 8160 is available by 2H2020 with mmwave connectivity, it will be far inferior to Qualcomm and Huawei options (which will likely be generation 3 by then).
Yawn. The android forum is down the hall and to the right. Good luck in your future endeavors.
I have no brand loyalty. Currently using my 3rd iPhone. Just pointing out some possible future issues. There sure is creepy Apple loyalty here.
5G in 2020 will be there but not nationwide
A lot of infrastructure has to be put in
The only thing in our favor is that the 3 big
Service providers are trying to be the first in order to grab customers
Don’t expect to Not pay extra for 5G because we all will
A lot of infrastructure has to be put in
The only thing in our favor is that the 3 big
Service providers are trying to be the first in order to grab customers
Don’t expect to Not pay extra for 5G because we all will
It matters little that 5G won’t be nationwide in 2020. Most people buy iPhones and hold onto them for years...that trend is increasing. Why would anybody buy a 2019 or 2020 iPhone with the idea of keeping it for 4 years if it isn’t able to utilize 5G networks when they are more available? Especially when Apple is still going to charge more for those iPhones than 5G capable Android devices in 2020 (yes, the prices of those 2nd generation devices will come back down). It’s a problem.
I’m sorry, I have to disagree. Most people keep their phones for about 2 years on average. People that keep their devices longer than that actually are really low in percentage.
Upgrade cycles are exceeding 2 years and continually getting longer (especially for iPhones). Just ask Tim Apple.
I would probably care if my carrier gave me more data at a reasonable price, when you only have 1.5 GB per month once I am not using EDGE it doesn't matter to me. 
I would say your incorrect and correct in the same respect. Specifically for the iPhone, They are extending because of market saturation, also with the assistance of iOS 12 helping the performance of older model iPhones and the battery replacement program, those two factors was a block for those considering upgrading their phones.
But then what you didn’t mention, is that most finance their phones today with two years to have them paid off, and in those two years, they can trade their new device in and upgrade, which I would still say a large portion of consumers do, simply because the offer and advantages are there at the current time.
iPhone upgrades are moving beyond 2-years for a variety of reasons. Some you mentioned and some you didn’t. Perhaps the most important reason (no, most definitely the most important reason) is because Apple is continually charging more money with fewer upgrades year over year. iPhones are great phones: build quality is solid and Apple supports them longer than Android OEM’s. As the market has saturated (meaning everybody has a smartphone) and innovation is becoming harder and harder to achieve, there is less incentive to upgrade. Add in what you’ve mentioned and there is even less incentive.
This is why I think it will be really bad for Apple if they can’t get the 5G figured out. Ya’ll can say whatever you want about 5G being years away from nationwide coverage, 5G devices having problems, you not personally caring about 5G, data plan costs, etc. The fact-of-the-matter is that 5G is a majorn innovation. It’s an incentive to upgrade and a necessity to access networks that are going to be marketed like crazy beginning later in 2019. If Apple can’t offer a 5G device until late 2021 (2.5 years from now!!!), while Android is offering them in a couple of months, it is a marketing nightmare. You may not care now...or in a year...or in 1.5 years...but 2.5 years??? 2.5 years of increasing access and marketing? Come on.
How bad could it be? Providing customer inferior products just to catch the first service of this 5G train? Aside from coverage issue, practicality issue, people’s attention issue and such, Apple cancelling AirPower out of blue is more damaging to their image (which has been damaged anyway over the past few years) than not having a 5G device in 2020. Telecommunication is unlike tech industry. They don’t move very fast. And think about this, if people rush to buy an android phone supporting 5G and come back home only to realise 5G will not be there in a couple months, how disappointed they would be? Isn’t this image damaging?
Yes Qualcomm has a 5g chips and look how much more raw battery capacity those 5g phones need to keep up. The Samsung 5g phones (s10+ and note 10+) have 4500mAh batteries.
Per a tomsguide test, the S10+ (4100mAh) lasted 12:35 and the s10+ 5g version (4500mAh) 10:56, almost 2 hours less life despite 400 more mAh. They're roughly the same screen size and specs overall too.
You really want your iphone to last 6 hours just because "MOH 5Gzzzz!!!" The XS Max only lasts that 10 hours in the same tomsguide test; so cut 2-3 hours off that even if iphone batteries got bigger
Its very clear power is still a huge issue with 5g. It's really a beta test right now. Watch Rene Richie's video on this posted today, he explains it all in tech terms
The phone side isn't there regardless of coverage either; the 5g phones out right now are basically betas (maybe alphas) like the original HTC 4g phones (I think in early 2011) mentioned. It will take generations of chips to fix the current issues. The first iphone with 4g was 1-2 years behind that HTC in late 2012.
And 5g coverage wont be NEAR usable/widespread for years it sounds like. And from tests I've seen if you turn the wrong way or stand behind something the 5g drops to 4g. They have a huge issue they need a ton more access points for 5g.
it's going to take WAY longer to roll out than 4g slap some new nodes on the towers and done rollout like some think. I DON'T think you will see anywhere near widespread 5g in 2020; even in major cities. Some pockets of it but not consistently due to how short the signal carries and getting together all of those leases (city approval, permits, etc etc) to install more nodes simply takes time in big cities..
This is the same tired rinse and repeat Apple sucks argument every few years with new tech. I cannot see why anyone would want to struggle with half-baked tech. If you want to tinker there will always be some bleeding-edge Android device with it; but Apple caters to the masses.
Per a tomsguide test, the S10+ (4100mAh) lasted 12:35 and the s10+ 5g version (4500mAh) 10:56, almost 2 hours less life despite 400 more mAh. They're roughly the same screen size and specs overall too.
You really want your iphone to last 6 hours just because "MOH 5Gzzzz!!!" The XS Max only lasts that 10 hours in the same tomsguide test; so cut 2-3 hours off that even if iphone batteries got bigger
Its very clear power is still a huge issue with 5g. It's really a beta test right now. Watch Rene Richie's video on this posted today, he explains it all in tech terms
And 5g coverage wont be NEAR usable/widespread for years it sounds like. And from tests I've seen if you turn the wrong way or stand behind something the 5g drops to 4g. They have a huge issue they need a ton more access points for 5g.
it's going to take WAY longer to roll out than 4g slap some new nodes on the towers and done rollout like some think. I DON'T think you will see anywhere near widespread 5g in 2020; even in major cities. Some pockets of it but not consistently due to how short the signal carries and getting together all of those leases (city approval, permits, etc etc) to install more nodes simply takes time in big cities..
This is the same tired rinse and repeat Apple sucks argument every few years with new tech. I cannot see why anyone would want to struggle with half-baked tech. If you want to tinker there will always be some bleeding-edge Android device with it; but Apple caters to the masses.
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