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No headphone jack
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Yeah, every manufacturer is removing the headphone jack on their high end mobile devices now! I guess they found that nobody really use a hard connect anymore. Even studio musicians are going bluetooth now! It really a silly input in today’s bluetooth environment. You can still find it in the low end “budget” mobile devices.
I have more money invested in headphones and devices that plug into the headphone jack than I have invested in iPads. The wireless stuff has too much delay to be useful for me. Progress. Oh well.
"Silly" seems like an odd choice of words, it's simply an authentication mechanism - and an outstanding one at that - in fact, I greatly prefer FID to TID, having used both extensively since the release of the iPX
Well see with a phone I could definitely see it more. But lots of times I’m laying down or in a different position than when I’m looking straight down at a phone. Unlocking it by it looking at my face sounds kinda like it will take more time.
And there you go. This has always been a nothing burger to me. As long as the manu offers a dongle, a jack, or whatever, get it and move on with life.
I was a professional DJ for 25 years and traveled the entire US playing house and techno at clubs, raves, and festivals. I used and still use vinyl and Technics 1200 turntables. The current crop of EDM idjuts all use CDJ's of some sort or laptops. Real work for real pay, they aren't going to use iPads. And those that do are most likely bedroom DJ's or DJ'ing at their local hole in the wall bar or doing karaoke with the rest of the busters.
Lol youre right, I was counting Phone generations and forgot the 8 & X were released at the same time, and included the XS year even though it just came out. But even so looking at it that way, 4 different iPhones without the jacks. It was only a matter of time before other products followed suit. Wont be surprised if in 2 years the MBPs stop including them as well.
Its all in their move to go thinner, I wish they went as thick of the camera to make it flush, and just add in a lot more battery, would allow them to keep the jack. Apparently it being too "thick" or "heavy" is a bigger priority to Apple, because holding anything more than 2 lbs is just too much work for some people
I don’t really think it’s a matter of getting thinner. The 8 and 8 Plus are actually thicker than the 7 and 7 Plus due to the glass back to support wireless charging, and the X is thicker than the 8. So Apple has no problem increasing thickness if it’s needed for features. If you ask me, getting rid of the Jack was mainly to sell AirPods... and I have to admit that it worked on me.
I'm 99% sure you can. The current iPads play nice with most USB hubs and support USB audio.
Now that you mentioned it, are there DJs that use both kinds of devices simultaneously?
Also are wireless audio acceptable for "pro" usage nowadays?
Cos now the more I think of it, the more curious I get about these. Come to think of it, I see musicians using Macbooks more than iPads and also in "pro" situations, I am see live video feeds transmitted wirelessly with little to no lag so I assume that for only audio it should be fine?
(These are two distinct and separate questions)
The idea was to plug in any USB-C hub two adapters like these
https://www.apple.com/us_smb_83039/shop/product/HJKF2ZM/A/belkin-usb-c-to-gigabit-ethernet-adapter
https://store.google.com/us/product/usb_c_headphone_adapter
(Or maybe the iPAD charger + headphone ?)
Then plug the HUB into the USB-C port from this new IPP 11. If this works then I see no problem with the removal of the headphone jack. Even so I think what Apple did was unnecessary since it was easier to just plug a wired headphone there and removing this didn't benefit anyone.
With a USB-C hub (if it works, that is) it would be cumbersome.
Well if you want them both at the same time you will either need a hub or a dock-style adapter with both ports. Right now there isn't much with audio (that's portable) but I suspect that is going to change quickly. I believe the cable matters travel dock will support ethernet and USB-C (and SD card and USB-A)
Both simultaneously? That I don't know about but I don't think so. I've been backstage about to go on or just getting done and seen so many times, where some dude's laptop takes a dump, and they are SOL. With this new Pad, perhaps some, and only some, a very small minority make use a Pad as a backup of some sort but it doesn't have the audio capability to be anything of real use in my opinion. All depends on who you are. Joe or Jane Schmo doing some local peanuts gig, sure, may be a viable tool of some sort. Us that fly, and play bigger stuff, no way. Like you said, most using a laptop, MBP with full ram, maxed out everything. Then you have a huge chunk of folks just bringing USB sticks and plugging them into the Pioneer CDJ like units.
But man I'm not part of that crowd. I do it the old way, 2 turntables, a mixer, and vinyl. No electronic format gives you the warmth of the sound on vinyl. And none of the electronic offerings offer the tactile feel of real vinyl. Thankfully there has been a resurgence of vinyl starting in Europe and echoing here in the States.
One thing is for certain. I don't see anyone using bluetooth headphones. I'm still using the same pair of Sennheisers I've used since the late 90's.
What do you mean by not portable? You mean a hub will need to be powered by a wall socket?
Man, thanks for the input (and being part of the analogue crew!)
This gives an important perspective for those who are thinking of using the iPad as a music maker. Maybe Apple too thinks its MBP are more suited for that and decided to make the iPad Pro 2018 to be more for drawing?
And it seems like there's a reason why Bluetooth is still not used in pro audio, or was it simply due to there being no Bluetooth headphones that are good for mixing?
Also just wondering are you using Sennheisers HD 600 or 650? I heard they are one of the best to use for mixing and so am aiming for a pair too even though I don't mix music
I sure hope my airline pilot is using wired headphones that won't die during take off or landing.
HD25's. Bought them in 1997 or 1998. Replaced the rubber/cushions several times (sweat) but the speakers still sound as good as the day I've bought them. I've had sound guys over amp them a few times (big time electrical noise) but they keep on going. Seen thousands of booths and stages, millions of watts, even the kevlar construction has kept the throwers at the airport from ruining them. I've used them in the studio as well for 20+ years while recording.
They are definitely noise canceling, work on flights or anything else you can come up with.
I was loyal to the jack for a long time. Even bought the 6s+ in 2017 for it. I have a bit of regret, I wish I had the cameras of the 7+. But wired headphones wouldn’t fit in my Mophie cases so I lost and I wasn’t using a dongle so I bought Sony Bluetooths that came out in March of 2018.
The Jack is dying a slow but painful death.
The Jack is dying a slow but painful death.
That is nonsense. Wireless headphone simply suck.
I have a few wireless headphone like the B&W and Bose, but all my wired headphones and In Ear Monitors are far beyond those wireless headphones, it is not funny.
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Same for me on my iPhone X.
I just have to make sure that my iPhone X is fully charged and then use an external DAC/AMP which is how I listen to music at work.
Bluetooth headphones sound so bad. Especially the Beats Wireless Studio 3 is terrible.
I often use a 3.5mm jack splitter when my kids watch videos on long journey's i.e. connect two headphones to the iPad.
I've still not found a reliable wireless way of connecting two headphones to play at the same time. The worst thing is that you have to pay extra for the dongle - completely anti-consumer from Apple.
I've still not found a reliable wireless way of connecting two headphones to play at the same time. The worst thing is that you have to pay extra for the dongle - completely anti-consumer from Apple.
Sounds like you found what works for you! Hope they last as long as you need them to, that's how electronics should be, or at least be durable for a reasonable amount of time
Looks like it. I haven't researched all the options but the "portable" USB-C docks (that don't require separate power) I've seen don't have audio out.
They expect you to find a usb dongle that will give you 3.5mm and power out of it. Because well $$$ you know