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admanimal

macrumors 68040
Apr 22, 2005
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last i looked the iphone doesent have a harddrive either....but it still has a sms sensor.

The point is that the accelerometer on an iPhone serves a very obvious and essential purpose that has nothing to do with hard drives and is unique to iOS devices. The SMS on Macbooks only serves the purpose of parking the drive, which is useless with an SSD.
 

dyn

macrumors 68030
Aug 8, 2009
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Again, you're confused. The accelerometer in an iPhone has a very specific function, it's an input device. In a Mac, it's not. Clearer now ?
He doesn't explain it well but he is right though. Both the iPhone and the laptops (exceptions aside) have accelerometers, they detect acceleration. That's all they do. Doing something with a certain acceleration is done on a software level. The software interprets the sensor output and then does something. On the iPhone the acceleration is translated into a certain movement on the screen. On a laptop this is translated into parking the drive or not (depending on the threshold). So yes, the sensors are the same regarding hardware but the software part differs greatly.

The problem with this is how Apple calls it: Sudden Motion Sensor. This feature parks the drive when a certain motion has been detected. Since you can't park an ssd this will cause problems. Most people with an ssd disable SMS for this very reason. This could very well be the main reason for not including this in the MBA aside from the fact that it is pointless in the MBA.
 

admanimal

macrumors 68040
Apr 22, 2005
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This could very well be the main reason for not including this in the MBA aside from the fact that it is pointless in the MBA.

I'm pretty sure the main reason for not including it is the "it is pointless" part that you mentioned :)
 

foiden

macrumors 6502a
Dec 13, 2008
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It just means you can't use something like Liquid Mac for the MBA, that's all. :)

Not saying, that's the only reason for this. But perhaps Liquid Mac can have an update where it simply simulates the look of rocking the mac back and forth so it can be used as a screen-saver. :)
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
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Quebec, Canada
He doesn't explain it well but he is right though. Both the iPhone and the laptops (exceptions aside) have accelerometers, they detect acceleration.

Another confused one. Again, this is not the debate, nor did I put this into question. The debate was about the utility of said accelerometer in the MBA. On the Mac, it's used to park the heads of the hard drive. On an iPhone, it's used as an input device. Which of these 2 functions does the MBA require ?

You said it yourself : Neither. None. Nada. Thus it doesn't have the sensor. End of story.
 

dyn

macrumors 68030
Aug 8, 2009
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Another confused one. Again, this is not the debate, nor did I put this into question. The debate was about the utility of said accelerometer in the MBA. On the Mac, it's used to park the heads of the hard drive. On an iPhone, it's used as an input device. Which of these 2 functions does the MBA require ?
It is indeed correct that you are confused. This debate isn't about the acceleration sensor at all but about a feature from Apple called SMS. This feature consists of two parts: an acceleration sensor and software.

The sensor only senses acceleration in a certain direction and outputs that. Nothing more, nothing less. Output like that is useless since it doesn't do anything. For that you need software. In case of a MacBook the software tells the hdd to park its head when a certain value has been received from the sensor. In case of an iPhone this could be translated to a certain movement on screen (move 3 mm to the right).

Since it's the software that makes the magic happen you can change it. A lot of applications have already demonstrated it. They use the input from the sensor for their motion detection so they can sound an alarm whenever you pick up the machine. They can also use it the same way as the iPhone does. This can potentially give developers a new way of interacting with software as one can see in iOS. Since Apple is trying to implement some iOS features in OS X Lion this could be one of them. You can find your iPhone and iPad, why not find your MacBook Air/Pro? ;)

Having no SMS in a machine doesn't necessarily mean there is no acceleration sensor. Big difference and something most people do not seem to understand. You're a very good example of that.
 

BeyondtheTech

macrumors 68020
Jun 20, 2007
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I am a big fan of iAlertU.

But, to me, the lack of the shock sensor (accelerometer) isn't the only thing that makes this app useless on the Air. There's no IR port on the Air for use with the Apple Remote, which adds to the cool feature of iAlertU's use (especially in public).
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
It is indeed correct that you are confused. This debate isn't about the acceleration sensor at all but about a feature from Apple called SMS. This feature consists of two parts: an acceleration sensor and software.

How am I confused ? There's no SMS in the MBA as evidenced by software utilizing said sensor do not work on it. Again, you're confused.
 

justfine

macrumors newbie
Jul 16, 2008
16
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I think you're confused. That's an accelerometer. It's an input feature of the phone. Macs don't exactly use the SMS for input, only to park the HDD's heads in case of a drop.

Yes, but there were a few really fun apps at the beginning. I bought the first MBA in early February 2008. I downloaded a free app that amaze everyone at my local Apple Store. Most of them had no idea that there was an accelerometer or what its purpose was..let alone the fun apps that would make everyones head spin. I miss it already on my week old 11" (1.6, 128, 4G).
 

fswmacguy

macrumors 6502
Aug 12, 2009
266
0
So the OP is disappointed that an Apple product lacks a traditional failsafe measure that he/she intends to exploit.

Makes perfect sense.
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
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51 degrees North
FFS, it doesn't have one, it doesn't need one, so what!?

iAlertU is pointless on an MBA, you just close the lid and it covers the speakers up behind the keyboard, useless!
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
2
51 degrees North
I agree. Just like with most things, it's done with the 90 percent of buyers in mind.

It's done with 100% of buyers in mind, it's completely pointless in an MBA. If the iAlert you app doesn't now function correctly, thats not a deficiency in the MBA it's an app that is limited by design to certain technology, not the other way around.
 
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