Nokia just announced a phone with a 41MP sensor!

[*LTD*]

Cheap android phones.

You can thank Apple for those too.

symbian based phone sales increased every quarter until Nokia made that announcement.

Low-end. They were no longer competitive unless you were in the 3rd world. That's not a good position for a brand name like Nokia. Of course, they could have continued to sell Symbian junkers in perpetuity to the bottom-end of the retail pyramid. And develop the lousy brand-image to match.

Really? Any of the millions and millions of owners of Symbian based phones could have easily installed Apps, many did.

You're actually comparing Apple's mobile ecosystem to Nokia's?

Even back then, horrible mismatch. (Don't ever promote boxing.)

Again, so now he is dead you have no hope that Apple can continue to make decisions?

Over a decade of Steve Jobs left its mark on wherever he was, long-term.

Keep your eye on Scott Forstall.

 

[Consultant]

The delusion is replacing the #1 platform violently by the #7 (and incompatible) platform when a smooth transition to a new compatible platform was already put in place since a long time.

Previously, another failing mobile phone company also licensed Microsoft mobile OS. They didn't do too well.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/E1DD097F-EE28-4FBA-A1F2-D831512E423F.html

 

[jfanning]

You can thank Apple for those too.

They would have come without Apple, they might have looked different, but they would have come

Low-end. They were no longer competitive unless you were in the 3rd world. That's not a good position for a brand name like Nokia. Of course, they could have continued to sell Symbian junkers in perpetuity to the bottom-end of the retail pyramid. And develop the lousy brand-image to match.

Like Apple, Nokia doesn't split sales per device, so you have no way of knowing what model phone sold. Well, unless you are confusing S40 with Symbian

You're actually comparing Apple's mobile ecosystem to Nokia's?

No, I am saying you could install apps on competing phones before the iPhone came out.

Over a decade of Steve Jobs left its mark on wherever he was, long-term.

Yes, very true, long live the iPod Hi-Fi!

 

[juliusaugustus]

It doesn't matter what Apple did to the market because that already happened what matters is continued innovation and so far Apple has done none of that.

 

[akuma13]

It doesn't matter what Apple did to the market because that already happened what matters is continued innovation and so far Apple has done none of that.

Correct. Unfortunately Apple has been stagnate which is understandable due to the overwhelming success of the iOS products. Hopefully soon they'll find that balance and start innovating again.

Nokia of all people has created a landmark device which is sure to be the precursor of how mobile phones (and possible demise of PnS cameras) are produced in the future.

 

[*LTD*]

Correct. Unfortunately Apple has been stagnate which is understandable due to the overwhelming success of the iOS products.

Which must naturally = stagnation.

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It doesn't matter what Apple did to the market because that already happened what matters is continued innovation and so far Apple has done none of that.

If you think Apple isn't innovating, then I shudder to think about how you must regard the competition, applying the same strictures.

 

[juliusaugustus]

Which must naturally = stagnation.

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If you think Apple isn't innovating, then I shudder to think about how you must regard the competition, applying the same strictures.

Most of what apple has done is upgrade the specs of their products. It isn't a bad thing but I wouldn't call it innovation.

 

[*LTD*]

Most of what apple has done is upgrade the specs of their products.

Looks like for the moment that's all they really need to do. Consumers seem alright with it.

Yes, they're that good.

But there are 12 months in 2012. It'll be a big year. Keep watching.

 

[ChazUK]

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Which must naturally = stagnation.

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If you think Apple isn't innovating, then I shudder to think about how you must regard the competition, applying the same strictures.

Most of what apple has done is upgrade the specs of their products. It isn't a bad thing but I wouldn't call it innovation.

Of course Apple have been innovating. Look at iOS5 alone.

We have:
Notification pop in on the top bar (just like WP7)
Notification Center (Just like Android)
Quick access to the camera from lockscreen (WP7)
OTA Updates (Available on Symbian handsets of old)
Wireless music sync (Previously offered on Zune)
Volume button for camera shutter (Various third party applications have this on iOS/Android)
PhotoStream (SkyDrive/Picasa)
Game Center (Xbox Live!)

The magic goes on....

If that's not innovation, I don't know what is. ;p

Disclaimer: This post is tongue in cheek and not designed to offend

Slide to unlock (Used on Android), Siri (competition beating voice recognition) , battery sipping app background api's (Similar to WP7), iTunes Match & Antenna tech on 4s are but a few examples of Apple's innovation.

Everyone has been innovating.

 

[Zwhaler]

Takes "true" 35 and 38MP shots. Pretty cool, and I thought the iPhone 4S cam was good...

 

[roadbloc]

And yet again, another unrelated thread is dragged down the road of "Apple are the best everyone else sucks" by a certain poster.

 

[thekev]

Well perhaps that should still count as 41 MP, since near ALL digital cameras interpolate data between pixels to form the final image. If that wasn't true, then we'd only get black and white photos from digital cameras, since camera sensors technically can't tell one colour apart from another, and electrons don't carry colour information!


The exception are the Foveon sensors. Those are pretty awesome, in theory.

Bleh... sigma. They do seem to have fewer color artifacts and moire issues compared to other smaller sensors, but that could be anecdotal from the samples I've seen. Bayer sensors in medium format are up to 80 MP or so spread across a wider area. Even then they've used things like microlenses to sort of collimate the incoming light. Falloff has also been an issue with digital cameras. It's typically corrected at a software level.

What I'd like to see is the ability to import non gamma corrected data in a 32 bit floating point format with gamma values and output profiling applied solely as a proofing setting. It would make for cleaner post work. Video really has gotten ahead of still photography in this regard .

And yet again, another unrelated thread is dragged down the road of "Apple are the best everyone else sucks" by a certain poster.

He could at least make the arguments more interesting and less biased. Sometimes he cites sources and stuff, but most of the time it's primarily trolling.

 

[KnightWRX]

And yet again, another unrelated thread is dragged down the road of "Apple are the best everyone else sucks" by a certain poster.

It wouldn't happen if you guys just ignored him instead of replying to him constantly. boss.king, Rodimus Prime and others are quite the repeat offenders at getting baited by him.

Just. Ignore. Him. It'll go away.

 

[boss.king]

It wouldn't happen if you guys just ignored him instead of replying to him constantly. boss.king, Rodimus Prime and others are quite the repeat offenders at getting baited by him.

Just. Ignore. Him. It'll go away.

You're right, I apologise. I've taken to simply reporting the offending posts now, I suggest others do the same if you feel trolling is taking place.

 

[throAU]

sounds like maybe they should get into the camera business. they've clearly lost the plot with phones.

 

[Jaffaman27]

sounds like maybe they should get into the camera business. they've clearly lost the plot with phones.

Thats a bit unfair I think. But yes they make damn good camera phones.

I think Nokia was just too big and too dominant for so long that they got arrogant and slow to change their strategy. Happens to all the biggest ones eventually it seems.

It took Apple to shake Nokia and now the Android army. And I think the change in Nokia is happening and the results are promising. The Lumia 800 and 900 are really nice looking phones with a nice OS (opinion) and I can see some hype around them. The new camera tech is coming to the Nokia Windows phones also (I'm quite sure). Also Nokia still dominates the cheapo phone industry with a huge margin. And Nokia makes tons of money with those phones and now that they've been shaken in the smartphone business, it seems they are more fast with the feature phone development aswell.

I like Nokia (not only because I'm from Finland)
I think they needed the shake up as the results look promising. Hope they keep up the good work, and hopefully keep the design of the Lumia 800/900/N9 for some time as it looks really stunning. Just add PureView camera to that and that is my next phone for sure.

But Nokia and MS needs to move fast to catch up Android and Symbian in features and iOS in the apps. We'll see..

 

[shelly147]

hie

Its really true that,
the nokia lumia 808 pure view phone is having 41 megapixels camera which sense you the imagination of real pictures that are generally taken by a camera.
Enjoy the world of real pictures by just a click only.