Nokia Lumia 928 (and windows phone in general)

[flameproof]

I love Lumia, specially Nokia Drive - offline navi!

I had a Lumia 800. The screen broke from a 40cm fall while sitting. LCD was changed (very, very easy). Then it was OK for some month. Then the phone developed some power issues, probably related to the mainboard. It could work a while, then suddenly goes black, and then stayed black for a few days.

To change the mainboard to too expensive.

Now I have an old HTC rooted to W7.8 and that works well.

 

[Michael Goff]

Huh? Windows Phone 8 DOES lack development support. You can't even get Instagram and Google doesn't even develop apps for it.

The future is also questionable for Windows Phone 8. 5 years from now, we know Google and Apple will still be selling Android and iOS. I don't think we can say the same for Windows Phone or the Surface for that matter.

Oh, you're totally right.

Since it lacks Google apps and Instagram, that negates the roughly 170k apps that it has. :|

Also, what makes you think that Microsoft is going to drop Windows Phone any time soon? Do you have any information that we don't, or are you just assuming?

 

[Black Magic]

Oh, you're totally right.

Since it lacks Google apps and Instagram, that negates the roughly 170k apps that it has. :|

Also, what makes you think that Microsoft is going to drop Windows Phone any time soon? Do you have any information that we don't, or are you just assuming?

Michael, do you work for Microsoft Marketing department? Just asking.

Instagram and Google are just examples of the lack of support. 170k filler apps made by Bobby in his living room because the first party apps aren't there just don't cut it. It doesn't come close or compare to the level of apps Android and iOS has to offer.

I just look at Microsoft past history when it comes to dropping Windows Phone Support. Windows Mobile = Dead. Windows Phone 7 = Dead.

My point stands, with all the shortcomings of Windows Phone, why would anyone throw money at a 3rd place phone experience hoping for things to get better when you can have BETTER right now?

 

[Michael Goff]

Huh? Windows Phone 8 DOES lack development support. You can't even get Instagram and Google doesn't even develop apps for it.

The future is also questionable for Windows Phone 8. 5 years from now, we know Google and Apple will still be selling Android and iOS. I don't think we can say the same for Windows Phone or the Surface for that matter.

Michael, do you work for Microsoft Marketing department? Just asking.

Instagram and Google are just examples of the lack of support. 170k filler apps made by Bobby in his living room because the first party apps aren't there just don't cut it. It doesn't come close or compare to the level of apps Android and iOS has to offer.

I just look at Microsoft past history when it comes to dropping Windows Phone Support. Windows Mobile = Dead. Windows Phone 7 = Dead.

My point stands, with all the shortcomings of Windows Phone, why would anyone throw money at a 3rd place phone experience hoping for things to get better when you can have BETTER right now?

You're making generalizations, I'm calling them out, that makes me somebody who works for Microsoft? Also, a 3rd place phone experience? I don't use many Google services and I have better things to do than take pictures of my pet/food/random crap and throw a bad filter on it. Even this is more important than that.

Then we move on to the next point. Do you know why WP7 devices didn't get Windows 8? Go ahead, take a guess and if you're wrong I'll correct you. But you might actually know, and you might just be one of those facetious people.

 

[Black Magic]

You're making generalizations, I'm calling them out, that makes me somebody who works for Microsoft? Also, a 3rd place phone experience? I don't use many Google services and I have better things to do than take pictures of my pet/food/random crap and throw a bad filter on it. Even this is more important than that.

Then we move on to the next point. Do you know why WP7 devices didn't get Windows 8? Go ahead, take a guess and if you're wrong I'll correct you. But you might actually know, and you might just be one of those facetious people.

I'm not making generalizations when I am mentioning facts.

1. Instagram is not on Windows Phone. Fact.

2. Google isn't developing apps for Windows Phone right now outside of a collab effort on YouTube with Microsoft. Fact.

3. Android App store and iOS App Store blows away the MS App Store. Fact.

4. Folks that trusted Microsoft and bought a Windows Phone 7 got screwed over by Microsoft. Fact. For the record, nobody CARES why they got screwed over, they just got screwed over which folks may/should consider when looking at that platform.

5. Microsoft Windows Phone is 3rd Place in the Market. Fact.

So what exactly are you calling me out on again? Oh, just because you don't use Google Services or take pictures doesn't mean millions of others aren't. If that was the case and no one would be using those services and they would not exists. I'm surprised you even attempted to use that as a supporting argument. I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Michael Goff]

I'm not making generalizations when I am mentioning facts.

1. Instagram is not on Windows Phone. Fact.

2. Google isn't developing apps for Windows Phone right now outside of a collab effort on YouTube with Microsoft. Fact.

3. Android App store and iOS App Store blows away the MS App Store. Fact.

4. Folks that trusted Microsoft and bought a Windows Phone 7 got screwed over by Microsoft. Fact. For the record, nobody CARES why they got screwed over, they just got screwed over which folks may/should consider when looking at that platform.

5. Microsoft Windows Phone is 3rd Place in the Market. Fact.

So what exactly are you calling me out on again? Oh, just because you don't use Google Services or take pictures doesn't mean millions of others aren't. If that was the case and no one would be using those services and they would not exists. I'm surprised you even attempted to use that as a supporting argument. I'm embarrassed for you.

1) You're right, Instagram isn't on WP. Who cares? Seriously.
2) And if a person doesn't use Google (a growing number of people can say that), this doesn't effect them.
3) Numbers are less relevant if it has the apps you use.
4) That's a lie, really. It does matter if there isn't going to be a similar situation with Windows Phone 8. It would be similar to saying that nobody should buy a Mac because their move to Intel screwed over PPC people. But I don't see anyone making that argument.
5) So what? Do you base what you use on what others use?

I'm calling you out on telling what others should buy based on what YOU want. YOU said that nobody should buy a Windows Phone based on a lack of Instagram and Google Services. Do people use Google Services? Yes. But a growing number of people aren't, so that means your argument is worthless to them.

You also spoke about a "lack of support" and brought up those two examples. But that's assuming everyone cares about Instagram and Google services. You also bring up WP7 to Windows Phone 8 as if the rough transition means that they're going to do it again. But you have no proof.

So you have weak examples and guesses. And it's not a shocker that your guesses lead to "Nobody should buy a Windows Phone... ever".

 

[Black Magic]

1) You're right, Instagram isn't on WP. Who cares? Seriously.
2) And if a person doesn't use Google (a growing number of people can say that), this doesn't effect them.
3) Numbers are less relevant if it has the apps you use.
4) That's a lie, really. It does matter if there isn't going to be a similar situation with Windows Phone 8. It would be similar to saying that nobody should buy a Mac because their move to Intel screwed over PPC people. But I don't see anyone making that argument.
5) So what? Do you base what you use on what others use?

I'm calling you out on telling what others should buy based on what YOU want. YOU said that nobody should buy a Windows Phone based on a lack of Instagram and Google Services. Do people use Google Services? Yes. But a growing number of people aren't, so that means your argument is worthless to them.

You also spoke about a "lack of support" and brought up those two examples. But that's assuming everyone cares about Instagram and Google services. You also bring up WP7 to Windows Phone 8 as if the rough transition means that they're going to do it again. But you have no proof.

So you have weak examples and guesses. And it's not a shocker that your guesses lead to "Nobody should buy a Windows Phone... ever".

1. The millions of subscribers that use it care. Apparently you and 5 others don't care.

2. Again, same as above.

3. Apparently you need it spelled out for you. Android and iOS have all the Apps that MS Store has and tons more. Why settle for a empty ecosystem with little to no support when you can get a phone with a great ECOSYSTEM and SUPPORT? Let's spend money on a fledgling phone and hope in 2 years it gets the apps and features RIVALS CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. Doesn't make sense but it sounds like you are stuck with a Windows Phone and you need to justify it.

4. You don't know if Windows Phone 8 is going to be around for the long haul. It's certainly not flying off the shelves. Windows Phone 7 was released by MS like 2 years ago and it's END OF LIFE. You want to upgrade to Windows Phone 8, you gotta by a new phone. That's just horrible.

5. Read 3 above nice and slowly again and let it marinate.

Weak examples? Google Apps being available on the major platforms but not on MS is a weak example? It just reinforces the fact that major developing companies are not developing apps or games for the MS Store. Plants vs Zombies 2?

Bottom line: Your argument against this is weak and I expected a little more effort from you than the "I don't use Google Services so it doesn't matter" comeback.

 

[Michael Goff]

1. The millions of subscribers that use it care. Apparently you and 5 others don't care.

2. Again, same as above.

3. Apparently you need it spelled out for you. Android and iOS have all the Apps that MS Store has and tons more. Why settle for a empty ecosystem with little to no support when you can get a phone with a great ECOSYSTEM and SUPPORT? Let's spend money on a fledgling phone and hope in 2 years it gets the apps and features RIVALS CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. Doesn't make sense but it sounds like you are stuck with a Windows Phone and you need to justify it.

4. You don't know if Windows Phone 8 is going to be around for the long haul. It's certainly not flying off the shelves. Windows Phone 7 was released by MS like 2 years ago and it's END OF LIFE. You want to upgrade to Windows Phone 8, you gotta by a new phone. That's just horrible.

5. Read 3 above nice and slowly again and let it marinate.

Weak examples? Google Apps being available on the major platforms but not on MS is a weak example? It just reinforces the fact that major developing companies are not developing apps or games for the MS Store. Plants vs Zombies 2?

Bottom line: Your argument against this is weak and I expected a little more effort from you than the "I don't use Google Services so it doesn't matter" comeback.

1) So your retort is an insult? That shows you have a point, definitely.
2) Excellent, another non-point.
3) Except is isn't empty. Also, I have a Galaxy Nexus and a Lumia 520. It isn't like I don't have a decent Android Phone to go to if the Lumia was so horrible.
4) Don't act like it is so horrible, and don't act like you have any idea what Microsoft is going to do. The switch to WP8 was a full kernel update.
5) Re-read your nonexistent point?

Bottom line: While PvZ 2 is a good point, and the app store is behind, you're hardly slumming it if you use a Windows Phone. There is very little that you can't do, rot now, on a Windows Phone that you can do on iOS and Android. But I did argue it poorly, because it is possible to use just about every Google service on a Windows Phone.

Having a decent browser does that for you.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Some random thoughts

1. Instagram is not on Windows Phone. Fact.

There's no first party app but it exists in third party form (Instance, 6tagram, etc). First party support becomes a big deal if they screw with the API's (which Instagram has done once) but otherwise it's the same as iOS when everyone used Tweetie and Tweetbot because there was no official Twitter client.

2. Google isn't developing apps for Windows Phone right now outside of a collab effort on YouTube with Microsoft. Fact.

Google services are never gonna make it to WP unless it gains significant marketshare or MS kills Bing. The companies hate each other. Even on the collaborated YouTube app, Google screwed over MS by blocking it anyway. Reasons were fabricated - Google denied MS metadata and then blocked the app on account of not providing an experience that required that metadata. And they also blocked the app because it wasn't coded in HTML5, even though neither the iOS and Android YouTube apps are coded in HTML5. Both companies are basically screwing with each other right now because MS encroached into search.

Luckily I have Metrotube so I don't have to wait for both companies to make peace (which is not gonna happen anytime soon if at all). So yeah if you're an avid Google Services user, I'd agree that's a good enough reason to not use WP8.

3. Android App store and iOS App Store blows away the MS App Store. Fact.

The app gap is WP8's biggest obstacle, that's undeniable. At the same time the ecosystem has been growing. The biggest catalyst for WP app growth isn't MS, but Nokia, because they're pushing essential WP8 apps (Path, Flipboard, etc) as Nokia exclusives. As long as Nokia's vested, I expect the ecosystem to become good enough, with the exception of Google Services integration.

5. Microsoft Windows Phone is 3rd Place in the Market. Fact.

They're in a distant third, at the same time there's a reason they swapped spots with RIM - they're doing something right. Historically the smartphone market has always had room for at least 3 players. Back in the day you had Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm OS and BB OS competing. Even if you're not a fan of WP, the 3 party competition is good for the market and pushing the bleeding edge of tech and getting it into our hands.

The Nokia WP8 handsets have the best cameras in the industry and Android OEM's and Apple are gonna feel pressure to push for feature parity. Android OEM's have already began - they're incorporating Xenon flashes, Samsung is throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks, Sony is releasing the Honami which has a good chance at having the best integrated camera behind the 1020 and 808. This kind of competition is good. Otherwise all you get are incumbents doing next to nothing - like Apple right now, reskinning iOS 7 and calling it a day.

 

[scott craft]

3. Apparently you need it spelled out for you. Android and iOS have all the Apps that MS Store has and tons more. Why settle for a empty ecosystem with little to no support when you can get a phone with a great ECOSYSTEM and SUPPORT? Let's spend money on a fledgling phone and hope in 2 years it gets the apps and features RIVALS CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. Doesn't make sense but it sounds like you are stuck with a Windows Phone and you need to justify it.

Of course Windows Phone doesn't have all the apps Android and IOS have, but I can do pretty much everything on my 8X I do on my android phone. I use instagram on both phones, youtube, google +, etc. Certainly there are many compelling reasons to get an android phone or an iphone, but it's not like windows phone is a horrible experience. Basically it boils down to what you are looking for in a phone.

As far as windows phone sticking around, Nokia seems to be doing quite well with their low end phones, so I don't see Microsoft shutting down the platform.

 

[Black Magic]

1) So your retort is an insult? That shows you have a point, definitely.
2) Excellent, another non-point.
3) Except is isn't empty. Also, I have a Galaxy Nexus and a Lumia 520. It isn't like I don't have a decent Android Phone to go to if the Lumia was so horrible.
4) Don't act like it is so horrible, and don't act like you have any idea what Microsoft is going to do. The switch to WP8 was a full kernel update.
5) Re-read your nonexistent point?

Bottom line: While PvZ 2 is a good point, and the app store is behind, you're hardly slumming it if you use a Windows Phone. There is very little that you can't do, rot now, on a Windows Phone that you can do on iOS and Android. But I did argue it poorly, because it is possible to use just about every Google service on a Windows Phone.

Having a decent browser does that for you.

So you have an Android phone to make up for the deficiencies of the Windows Phone? Funny. Let's encourage potential buyers in this thread to buy 2 phones because the Windows Phone just won't cut it. You killing me!

I also find it funny how you think PvZ2 is a good point being that it's a video game but productivity and lifestyle apps from Google are non-points. Faulty logic there. It all goes back to lack of support.

Oh and if you like using internet explorer on your phone to read your email like the dinosaurs once did, more power to you. Let's encourage potential buyers this approach is better than having first party apps.

Bottom line: WP8 lacks many features of Android and iOS (like notification center, do not disturb). It also lacks when it comes to the app store offerings. If someone is in the market for a new smartphone, Windows Phone should be at the bottom of the list. Why buy a phone that isn't on par feature wise, support wise, ecosystem wise or even design wise compared to the competition?

A few people replied after you have acknowledge these things, why don't you swallow your pride and acknowledge WP8 is not up to snuff right now and may never be?

 

[Michael Goff]

So you have an Android phone to make up for the deficiencies of the Windows Phone? Funny. Let's encourage potential buyers in this thread to buy 2 phones because the Windows Phone just won't cut it. You killing me!

I also find it funny how you think PvZ2 is a good point being that it's a video game but productivity and lifestyle apps from Google are non-points. Faulty logic there. It all goes back to lack of support.

Oh and if you like using internet explorer on your phone to read your email like the dinosaurs once did, more power to you. Let's encourage potential buyers this approach is better than having first party apps.

Bottom line: WP8 lacks many features of Android and iOS (like notification center, do not disturb). It also lacks when it comes to the app store offerings. If someone is in the market for a new smartphone, Windows Phone should be at the bottom of the list. Why buy a phone that isn't on par feature wise, support wise, ecosystem wise or even design wise compared to the competition?

A few people replied after you have acknowledge these things, why don't you swallow your pride and acknowledge WP8 is not up to snuff right now and may never be?

No.

I had the Android phone first.

Then we move on to productivity apps from Google. It's okay if you don't understand that productivity tools from Microsoft work just as well (You know, Microsoft Office, the thing that is preinstalled).

Then we move on to features. It has the features I need so I got it. If it doesn't have the features you need, don't get it. But don't assume that everyone needs those two features. People got along with iOS before it had a notification center. It is something I miss, but I would hardly buy a phone based on whether or not it had a notification center.

For me, and a lot of others, the live tiles are good enough.

"WP8 isn't up to snuff and may never be"?

It definitely is just another tool in a toolbox. I can assure you that it isn't the right tool for everyone. But to say that it isn't the right tool for anyone is just throwing a "it doesn't work for me ergo it works for nobody" type of argument. Also, the people are generally saying that while it doesn't have 900k apps, it still does what they need it to do.

And that's what you should be looking for in any computer, getting things done.

 

[Black Magic]

No.

I had the Android phone first.

Then we move on to productivity apps from Google. It's okay if you don't understand that productivity tools from Microsoft work just as well (You know, Microsoft Office, the thing that is preinstalled).

Then we move on to features. It has the features I need so I got it. If it doesn't have the features you need, don't get it. But don't assume that everyone needs those two features. People got along with iOS before it had a notification center. It is something I miss, but I would hardly buy a phone based on whether or not it had a notification center.

For me, and a lot of others, the live tiles are good enough.

"WP8 isn't up to snuff and may never be"?

It definitely is just another tool in a toolbox. I can assure you that it isn't the right tool for everyone. But to say that it isn't the right tool for anyone is just throwing a "it doesn't work for me ergo it works for nobody" type of argument. Also, the people are generally saying that while it doesn't have 900k apps, it still does what they need it to do.

And that's what you should be looking for in any computer, getting things done.

Just read an article that Nokia was experimenting with Android on their Lumia devices because their contract with MS is up next year. MS turned around and bought Nokia devices. Sounds like Windows Phone is barely hanging on.

 

[dsr2]

Currently using the Lumia 822 with the Amber update. I'm not a huge app user and I also carry an ipad mini so I don't miss out on the apple experience. I use my phone for calling and texting and for me it works really well.

Also, as I mentioned in another post, for some reason, my Lumia pushes my gmail and yahoo mail to my phone faster than the mail is pushed to my ipad, so for me that is an advantage.

 

[Michael Goff]

Just read an article that Nokia was experimenting with Android on their Lumia devices because their contract with MS is up next year. MS turned around and bought Nokia devices. Sounds like Windows Phone is barely hanging on.

Thanks for the non-sequitir.

 

[hashholly]

Purchased a Nokia 521 for my Mother for Tmobile. Very nice phone for the price, and for just general apps, Windows is more than sufficient. Its a shame their app selection isnt up ot par, because if it were windows phone would be on my radar. As it is now, no chance i could switch to one as my main phone.

 

[Jessica Lares]

No.

I had the Android phone first.

Then we move on to productivity apps from Google. It's okay if you don't understand that productivity tools from Microsoft work just as well (You know, Microsoft Office, the thing that is preinstalled).

Then we move on to features. It has the features I need so I got it. If it doesn't have the features you need, don't get it. But don't assume that everyone needs those two features. People got along with iOS before it had a notification center. It is something I miss, but I would hardly buy a phone based on whether or not it had a notification center.

For me, and a lot of others, the live tiles are good enough.

"WP8 isn't up to snuff and may never be"?

It definitely is just another tool in a toolbox. I can assure you that it isn't the right tool for everyone. But to say that it isn't the right tool for anyone is just throwing a "it doesn't work for me ergo it works for nobody" type of argument. Also, the people are generally saying that while it doesn't have 900k apps, it still does what they need it to do.

And that's what you should be looking for in any computer, getting things done.

I feel the same way. I went through TWO Android phones even. Honestly, the fact that a lot of us are coming from Android to a Windows Phone with no problem says a lot.

I have a app called BetterBookmarks, it sits under my phone icon. I can go in there and load Google or whatever site I want. It takes two clicks. It's the best shortcut system I have EVER used.

And the tiles are great. They're not all ones that flip around, but also static ones that still blend in, but show your information very nicely.

Tired of the whole app argument. Stop being so blind.

 

[Michael Goff]

I feel the same way. I went through TWO Android phones even. Honestly, the fact that a lot of us are coming from Android to a Windows Phone with no problem says a lot.

I have a app called BetterBookmarks, it sits under my phone icon. I can go in there and load Google or whatever site I want. It takes two clicks. It's the best shortcut system I have EVER used.

And the tiles are great. They're not all ones that flip around, but also static ones that still blend in, but show your information very nicely.

Tired of the whole app argument. Stop being so blind.

We're getting to the point, or we are already at the point, where the difference between phones is preference. Do you prefer the Apple way, Android way, or Microsoft way? There is no clear cut phone that is best for everyone.

 

[srkmish]

I am all for intellectual debate. I own an android phone but am equally impressed with Nokia 822 and 520. I have used both of these phones from my friend's and found the os very fluid. Touch was marginally better than android i feel.

The thing is we can't really predict what is going to happen in future. Maybe MS will be smart enough to offer tight integration amongst all its devices that will make Win 8 pc/laptop owners to naturally consider a Windows phone. I don't see why Windows can't be relevant 10 years from now if they decide to stay relevant and offer consumers what they want.

As regards to the app store deficiencies, 8/10 people do not care about the app deficit as long as they have watsapp, youtube , maps and a decent browser( Atleast here in india where 520 is the highest selling smartphone ).

 

[Michael Goff]

It's weird.

I make fewer keyboard mistakes on my 4" Windows Phone than my 4.65" Android Phone.

I don't get why.

 

[Black Magic]

It's weird.

I make fewer keyboard mistakes on my 4" Windows Phone than my 4.65" Android Phone.

I don't get why.

I gotta ask Mike, what is your preference when it comes to screen size? Just curious because the two phones you have vary in size.

 

[Michael Goff]

I gotta ask Mike, what is your preference when it comes to screen size? Just curious because the two phones you have vary in size.

To be honest, I haven't found the perfect screen size for me. The Windows Phone was 100$ and the Android Phone was 350$. If I could get my hands on a 5" and a 5.5", I would try them too.

Lumia 520 is the Windows Phone.
Galaxy Nexus is the Android Phone.

 

[Black Magic]

To be honest, I haven't found the perfect screen size for me. The Windows Phone was 100$ and the Android Phone was 350$. If I could get my hands on a 5" and a 5.5", I would try them too.

Lumia 520 is the Windows Phone.
Galaxy Nexus is the Android Phone.

Does the 7in Windows Tablet interest you at all?

 

[Michael Goff]

Does the 7in Windows Tablet interest you at all?

7" tablets in general don't interest me. I had a Nexus 7 and it was pretty good for what it was. But nowadays I like my tablets being 10".

 

[SlCKB0Y]

4) That's a lie, really. It does matter if there isn't going to be a similar situation with Windows Phone 8.

How could you possibly know there isn't going to be a similar situation with WP8? Do you think all the people who bought into WP7 thought MS was going to drop all software support for them in such a short amount of time? No, of course they didn't.

Each release promises to be better but the truth is, WP is still years behind and not only are they not catching up, they are falling further and further behind as the pace of iOS and Android development is increasing.