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patent10021

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And how would it containing Japanese/"Chinese" make it a RAM issue? You think more curves on a symbol increases its RAM usage?
I guess you didn't read above AGAIN. I said it could be a combo of the RAM / iOS 9 or just iOS 9 itself. Also fonts can definitely affect performance. Whether they do in this case remains to be seen.
 

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I have a short note that contains only English and another short note that contains some Asian characters and they both have zero lag.

So far I have listed comparisons with a short notes with zero lag , a super long note with Asian characters and a 3rd party notes app with zero lag containing the same text. Evidence abound but that can't stop the CoolAid drinkers.
 

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Ok I hope you get your issues solved soon. I for one am enjoying iOS 9 and find 1GB to be sufficient. :) won't bother wasting anymore time with this
 
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I have a short note that contains only English and another short note that contains some Asian characters and they both have zero lag.

So far I have listed comparisons with a short notes with zero lag , a super long note with Asian characters and a 3rd party notes app with zero lag containing the same text. Evidence abound but that can't stop the CoolAid drinkers.

Cool! The 12,544 lines in the note app we can throw out of the testing. Do you prefer grape or cherry? :D
 
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I'm highlighting the Notes app but overall iOS 9 has made my iPhone 6 Plus much slower. I have the latest updates etc.

What I'm specifically shocked about is Notes app. One click on the keyboard takes a second to appear on the display. If I type a 5 letter word I can watch the OS type my word out as I wait literally 5 seconds. It's brutal. Now I always try to use Notes app on my MacBook to avoid using it on my iPhone which is quite sad.

Any ideas?

The Notes app was always horrifically slow on the 6+ out of the box with iOS8. Scrolling through long notes was stutter and lag city, whilst highlighting a portion of text to copy would take an age. There is a cure for this, and it's the 6S+. This thing flies through notes.
 

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The Notes app was always horrifically slow on the 6+ out of the box with iOS8. Scrolling through long notes was stutter and lag city, whilst highlighting a portion of text to copy would take an age. There is a cure for this, and it's the 6S+. This thing flies through notes.
I never had an issue with iOS 8 though. I'm convinced this is because of bad code in iOS 9 Notes. Too coincidental that the main iOS 9 stock app to get an overhaul is Notes and it's the only one laggy on my phone

I'm waiting for iPhone 7. It will be here before you know it! Well, with the Tim Cook era there is no secrecy so we will know it before it is here :rolleyes:
 

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I never had an issue with iOS 8 though. I'm convinced this is because of bad code in iOS 9 Notes. Too coincidental that the main iOS 9 stock app to get an overhaul is Notes and it's the only one laggy on my phone

I'm waiting for iPhone 7. It will be here before you know it! Well, with the Tim Cook era there is no secrecy so we will know it before it is here :rolleyes:

I have a long note that I add to several times per day. It's probably 80-100 screens long and due to the 1GB of RAM it frequently refeshed to the top of the note throughout the day. Then to scroll down to the end was much slower than on an iPhone 5 or 5S. With the 6S+ the note *never* refreshes, even overnight, and on the rare occasions that I have to leave it to check another note I can scroll back down it at a blistering speed. None of this was possible with the 6+ on iOS8.
 
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Carlito Sandoval

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So I found out what the issue is. It's Notes on iOS 9 combined with 1GB RAM iPhones.

Specifically, it's when you are dealing with a massively long note. How do I know? Because I tried typing in a short note and the response was normal.

Thank you so much. Same problem was driving me INSANE! (First-world problem, I know...) I had my whole dream journal from early last year on a single note; starting a second volume did the trick immediately.
 
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Yeah sorry I meant it's one of the two. i.e. either a combo of 1GB RAM + iOS 9 super long note or just iOS 9 Notes itself.

Btw, you cannot prove it's not a 1GB RAM + iOS 9 issue. But I have proven it's either the 1GB RAM + iOS 9 Notes app combo or just iOS 9 Notes.

But like you I'm more inclined to think it's just iOS 9 Notes.
[doublepost=1457637212][/doublepost]I have an iPhone 5 using iOS 9.2.1 & my Notes app has the same sluggish problem. I use Notes all the time as my reference resource & to do list. I have 2660 notes. Many are long. The sluggish performance only started in the last couple of months. I was thinking it might be related to the iCloud connection. Performance was instantaneous until recently. So it could be iOS 9... or iCloud ... or a mismatch with my MBAir still running on Yosemite...& not Dl Capitan.
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I have an iPhone 5 using iOS 9.2.1 & my Notes app has the same sluggish problem. I use Notes all the time as my reference resource & to do list. I have 2660 notes. Many are long. The sluggish performance only started in the last couple of months. I was thinking it might be related to the iCloud connection. Performance was instantaneous until recently. So it could be iOS 9... or iCloud ... or a mismatch with my MBAir still running on Yosemite...& not Dl Capitan.


Also, on mine ...short notes have the same problem....not just long notes.
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I have an iPhone 5 using iOS 9.2.1 & my Notes app has the same sluggish problem. I use Notes all the time as my reference resource & to do list. I have 2660 notes. Many are long. The sluggish performance only started in the last couple of months. I was thinking it might be related to the iCloud connection. Performance was instantaneous until recently. So it could be iOS 9... or iCloud ... or a mismatch with my MBAir still running on Yosemite...& not Dl Capitan.
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Also, on mine ...short notes have the same problem....not just long notes.

THIS SOLVED MY Speed PROBLEM:
http://osxdaily.com/2015/09/18/slow-ios-9-speed-up-tips/
 

raul@katana

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The Notes app was always horrifically slow on the 6+ out of the box with iOS8. Scrolling through long notes was stutter and lag city, whilst highlighting a portion of text to copy would take an age. There is a cure for this, and it's the 6S+. This thing flies through notes.

No it doesnt. I got the same issue on iPhone 6s... Other apps work fine including Safari where i am currently typing. This is terrible fail by Apple... I am using iPad Pro and pencil notes, that are synced over iCloud. Could be connected?
 

Sakyant

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And how would it containing Japanese/"Chinese" make it a RAM issue? You think more curves on a symbol increases its RAM usage?
Actually yes it does
for example one character in Thai, in real behind-the-scenes machine code, is about 7 characters in html to make one Thai character

when i have a Note with Thai and English in the same page, and click on the same line as Thai text but stay typing in English, a mega-lag occurs, causing what i have typed to appear slowly with a couple of seconds delay. Also text replacement does not work when Thai is on the same line

140 character SMS messages in English allow 140 Characters
140 Character limit to SMS, allows you to write about 20 characters in Thai, then thats the limit per sms. Its expensive to SMS in Thai because of that
This is what the letter G looks like to a computer ;
ก (letter G in Thai) = ก in HTML, or &#x0E01 in HEX Code
so yes, a 3000 line note in Japanese, Thai, Tamil or whatever isnt English fonts, will contain up to 7 times as many characters, which would make it in truth as far as data characters are concerned, or machine code, about a 15,000 line note, not a 3000 line one.
in Thai, the 3 letters "กกก", is in HTML "กกก"
Thats 21 Unicode Entities instead of what would be only 3 Entities in English
 

patent10021

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I tried to tell them characters use more memory but you know how keyboard warriors are. I write code all day. Some people are just ignorant. Most of these people haven't written a line code or a line of Asian script in their life and all the sudden they are software engineers or translation experts.
 
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You're talking mere kilobytes difference. If you really think that's going to make a difference in performance on a device with these specs, you're not as good of a "software engineer" as you think you are. And having spent the whole thread going "FANBOI!!1" at everybody who claimed their phone works fine makes me truly believe you've never written a single line of code, or you have, but you're super bad at it. Even a first year CompSci student should at that point know that you can't just expect everyone to have the same problem you do when it comes to software.
 
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patent10021

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You're talking purely about specs on paper not how an app reads/writes real-world or any other potential factors which are plenty in iOS. Others who use Asian scripts have reported the same issue and fixed it with my suggestion. And that's just this thread. I guess it must be a coinkidink.
 

tsingbinjung

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So I found out what the issue is. It's Notes on iOS 9 combined with 1GB RAM iPhones.

Specifically, it's when you are dealing with a massively long note. How do I know? Because I tried typing in a short note and the response was normal.

What this means is that if you do not have the lag I have it's because you do not have a note that is as long as my note. My particular note is so long I can't scroll through all of it on a phone. I have to use the desktop version of Notes to even attempt to school through all of it and even then it takes a couple of minutes. It's the same note Ive been adding to since iPhone 4.

It was never like this in iOS 8 so I know for a fact this is a 1GB RAM + iOS 9 Notes app issue. This means it's purely a RAM + iOS 9 issue.

There is no other reason for this lag period. I'm quite pissed that Apple engineers can't even develop a notes app that can handle long text and keep the performance with iPhone 6! A phone that is only months old!

And to confirm I pasted the entire note into the "Flat To-Do" reminder app and low and behold the lag was gone!

So now is there still a fanboi who is going to tell me it's not a 1GB RAM + iOS 9 issue? :cool:

I have attached a shot of the free app I used for testing incase anyone is interested. It seems quite good. If any of you have other recommendations for a cool notes app please let me know. I don't need dates or calendar UI etc. Just customizable text with iCloud syncing.

I know this post years ago but I'm eager to give you a feedback: iPhone 7 Plus iOS10.3 with 3G RAM 256G ROM still feels laggy when scrooling down long(it's just pages actually!). Besides I found ❶when passages are edited to be like a square with same length every line (Chinese passages for example, Chinese square characters take up same bytes, non like English words), you feel little laggy. ❷When passages edited with pure English letters with Chinese or Japanese or Korean characters, it feels less smooth than those without them. ❸When you download many apps or take photos a lot that make your phone heat up, you feel less laggy. I guess at that time CPU just works with better functionality while at normal time it just hide their potential. ❹according to 3, this laggy issue can be solved with higher calculation power, but apparently Notes this app is not supposed to be an app that require much calculation. As far as I'm concerned, this could be related with UI Tableview of iOS, but Im not a professional programmer.
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So I found out what the issue is. It's Notes on iOS 9 combined with 1GB RAM iPhones.

Specifically, it's when you are dealing with a massively long note. How do I know? Because I tried typing in a short note and the response was normal.

What this means is that if you do not have the lag I have it's because you do not have a note that is as long as my note. My particular note is so long I can't scroll through all of it on a phone. I have to use the desktop version of Notes to even attempt to school through all of it and even then it takes a couple of minutes. It's the same note Ive been adding to since iPhone 4.

It was never like this in iOS 8 so I know for a fact this is a 1GB RAM + iOS 9 Notes app issue. This means it's purely a RAM + iOS 9 issue.

There is no other reason for this lag period. I'm quite pissed that Apple engineers can't even develop a notes app that can handle long text and keep the performance with iPhone 6! A phone that is only months old!

And to confirm I pasted the entire note into the "Flat To-Do" reminder app and low and behold the lag was gone!

So now is there still a fanboi who is going to tell me it's not a 1GB RAM + iOS 9 issue? :cool:

I have attached a shot of the free app I used for testing incase anyone is interested. It seems quite good. If any of you have other recommendations for a cool notes app please let me know. I don't need dates or calendar UI etc. Just customizable text with iCloud syncing.

BTW, I then choose Google Keep, 1. it's free of charge. 2. It's smooth, with long or multi languages passages. I use Keep before switching from Nexus Android phones to iOS, I thought iOS could be better but much to my disappointment, I only note short to-do notes or pure English with few words every line(if I type long sentences that take up full space of the line yeah it lags). for long dairy or mindstorm, I type at Keep
[doublepost=1491768482][/doublepost]i tried again, when pure english it's okay even pretty long but okay. when insert chinese it's laggy
 
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