Only time is going to tell whether Nokia can pull together some designs that really entice the consumer
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Nowhere to go but up. Survey shows WP7 with 1% of U.S. smartphone marketshare.
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Only time is going to tell whether Nokia can pull together some designs that really entice the consumer
I swear I just heard that they had a 5% share.
Either way though, this is excellent news. I recall Apple was bragging they'd be estatic with a 1% market share
Those are just US numbers, and frankly you only represent roughly 4.5% of world's population. This study claims that WP7 has 3.8% global marketshare. Still low but almost four times bigger than the US marketshare.
IMO US marketshares are useless. Global is what counts. You seem to have very controlled phone infrastructure there anyway with all those carrier-specific phones, 24-month contracts and whatnot, I don't even know all of that.
That's Windows Phone 7 plus Windows Mobile, not WP7, and it's the smartphone market share. Guys, you have to be very careful and specific when you throw around market share numbers. We know that Windows Mobile is dying out, Windows Phone 7 numbers are very likely growing (otherwise Microsoft is in real trouble), and because more and more very cheap phones move into the "smartphone" category everyone selling high end phones, including Microsoft, has numbers in the "smartphone" market share that look less good than they should.
I think the proper measure would be percentage of total phone sales revenue before any subsidies. But that's not a number we will ever see.
Canada is even worse. 3 year contracts, months late with new phone models to the point that when we do get them for the low price of "199$ on a 3 year contract", they have been obsoleted already.
And rates suck. I pay 70$ a month with no text messaging plan whatsoever and only 6 GB of data and 250 daytime minutes.
You are correct, but the iOS and Android figures include older OSs as well (it's not like all devices run the latest iOS or Android, some are stuck with iOS 3.x). Hence I think including Windows Mobile isn't that bad.
I love how market share is all of a sudden important. For all these years, everyone has been defending Apple by saying that just because something is popular doesn't mean it's better. Otherwise Windows must be by miles better than OS X.
WP7 in many ways is better than iOS and vice versa.
WP7 in many ways is better than iOS and vice versa.
you really do not know how MS works.
Windows Phone will become the 3rd major player and long term it will pass iOS. Simple fact is MS already has made it crystal clear it is in this for the long haul just like they were with the Xbox project. In the Xbox project they went in knowing it would 10 year min just to break even. They were looking in the 20-30 years down the road. It was breaking into the market. They are doing it again here.
Uh yeah, we do. Slow and sloppy. Like watching old people ****: It takes forever and it probably won't end well.
MS' ratio of R&D to ROI is all you ever need to look at to get some idea that something just isn't right, if of course constantly being embarrassed and upstaged by Apple (and others) isn't quite enough as it is. It's been this way for years. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to get your expectations too high.
They either have lousy ideas that they push too hard, or good ideas they let stagnate. Apparently the company and its shareholders love the abuse because Ballmer's still there.
The good news: they might actually create an Xbox version of Office. Enter Down, Down, Up, Up, Right, Left, Right, Left, A, B to print.
Uh huh.
http://www.businessinsider.com/2009...crash-prone-poorly-selling-zune-hardware-msft
Today Microsoft says it's "deeply committed" to the Zune player.
Wired: [Adam Sohn, head of Microsoft's Zune marketing division] clarified, "we're not getting out of the hardware business at all," adding that Microsoft is "deeply committed" to continuing to its Zune hardware strategy.
Everyone claims they're "deeply committed" to everything. Even if it's to the wrong things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXq9NTjEdTo
"I like our strategy. I like it a lot" - Ballmer T Clown
When MS says anything about how they're "deeply committed" or in it for the "long haul", don't bend over.
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*LTD*, I hate to bother you with facts, but since Microsoft has a higher credit rating than the USA, I'd have to say that someone, somewhere, likes Microsoft's ROI. Especially when you consider what they've come out with. Apple's wowed with essentially an iPod and iPhone. the iPad is the iPhone, enlarged. And OS X, and their computer hardware. Microsoft's wowed with software services, OS's, Gaming consoles, Phones, and even their periphrials like webcams are 2nd to none.
I have a Windows 7 Phone, and I love it. Microsoft has a winner on their hands, but unlike where they produced their own hardware with the 360, they have 0 hardware liability this time around.
And I know I'm going to bother you with facts again, but their Zune software is amazing. Sure they may not make as much Zune hardware anymore, but the Zune ecosystem - phone, TV, computer - is next to none. Even iTunes can't touch it. And they haven't let it stagnate. Microsoft features is prominantly on their 360, and WP7 OS. It's not going anywhere. They are dedicated to it.
I should also point out that 2009, when the quote is from, is 2 years ago. Do you remember Jobs saying things Apple would never do, only to turn around and do it a year later?
And lastly, the 360 runs Silverlight apps, and Office for WP7 is written in Silverlight... So I'm pretty sure they already have a version of Office for the 360.
I would say Vista but really if you look into Vista you will see it really was not MS fault. It was mostly the third party driver support was crap and companies were not updating their software and relaying on things that they should of stop using back before XP was even released. MS was closing those holes down and problems. Mix that with things going 64 bit.
I would have to say something in the Zune early zunes. Problem was dealing with the 800 lb gorilla known as Apple that pretty much got a lock on the market and trying to compete with them.
Agreed. The last "bad" products Microsoft released were Vista, Office 2007 and everything around that time. The past three years they have been releasing some quality pieces of software. Office 2010 is quality. Windows 7 is quality. WP7 is quality. Xboxes and Kinect are flying off the shelves. Hell, even IE9 is pretty damn good, the best version of IE Microsoft have released in a long time.
Think back to Apple's last bad things... iTunes 10 is diabolical, even on a Mac. iPhoto 11 is pretty damn poor compared to 09. Lion certainly isn't the best OS release from Apple, by a long way.
Of course these are just opinions, but I guess that is what counts at the end of the day.
The two worst MS products for me were Windows ME and Vista. Xbox360 is also a product which let me down multiple times so I've dropped that too. With the PSN hack, I've all but given up on console gaming.
I'm finding myself using my Wintel PC far more than my Mac (mainly thanks to windows 7 ) and am slowly using more MS services.
I've been particularly impressed with Zune software with Zune Pass and Windows Live Family Safety is a great little tool to keep my eldest child on sites that are appropriate for her.
I'm finding myself using my Wintel PC far more than my Mac (mainly thanks to windows 7 ) and am slowly using more MS services.
I've been particularly impressed with Zune software with Zune Pass and Windows Live Family Safety is a great little tool to keep my eldest child on sites that are appropriate for her.
Well to be fair windows ME I would say was MS lowest point and since then for the most part they have been improving. Vista was over promised and under delivered and MS got hit by the fact it was delayed so long.
XP was pushed way beyond its life time and we were demanding things of it that it was never designed to handled.
I really hated Windows ME and yes I had to use it but it was such a huge improvement moving over to XP from it. Then from XP to windows 7.
If the N9 is any indication, Nokia's phones are going to be sweet.
It better be, too - it's basically their last shot.
Havent tried WP7 hands on, but that home screen is still a killjoy for me. Something about the large, colorful blocks... it just annoys me. Personal preference I suppose.
I see MS regaining a small market share, but not more than that, and that's all depending upon Nokia's hardware...
I see MS regaining a small market share, but not more than that, and that's all depending upon Nokia's hardware...
But iOS is still iOS, and Android is still Android. Windows Phone is not Windows Mobile. Besides the radical UI differences, you cannot run any Windows Mobile apps on Windows Phone. Or vice versa. At best it would be like comparing OS X to OS 9. Except that those at least had similar interface elements, and Apple did let people fall back to OS 9 for awhile until OS X was firmly rooted.
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Office 2010 and Office 2007 are basically the same thing. People despised 2007 because of the Ribbon interface, and had gotten used to it by 2010, hence why it's now "quality". It's not better or worse, just a new release with new features 1% of the population will use. Most people still use only features that were available in Word 6.0.
Windows 7 is Windows Vista with a new UI and the bugs fixed. Vista's problem again was computers that couldn't run Aero but were dubbed "Vista ready", the new driver architecture that dropped support for many legacy devices for which drivers never were made and a few launch bugs. Windows 7 still uses the same driver architecture that pissed everyone off, except now hardware has had time to catch up. Same for the Aero GUI stuff, hardware has caught up and now it runs fine on every computer sold. They got lucky to not have shipped a major bug like the "file copy" bug Vista had.
And IE 9 ? Really ? It's the "best" they've got ? They've been getting beaten around on standard support by open source projects and by a small europeen company that makes close to no money for a decade. IE 9 is still dead last in standard support out of all the major browsers. And yet it's their "best" ? Piss poor attempt by the biggest software vendor in the world if you ask me. By now, with their money and ressources, they should have the most top notch standard support out there. They just don't care about interoperability and they don't give a flying **** if web pages look like arse on alternatives platforms, including iPads/iPhones/Androids/Macs or any other browser for Windows.
Except all the "hatred" towards these products have been for aesthetic reasons. Lion isn't even any different from Snow Leopard, aside from new features which you aren't obligated to use (some of which are quite nice, Mission Control is superior to spaces/Expose by my experience and the added gestures are really good) and iTunes 10 just has black/white icons people don't like and the ping stuff you have to turn off, otherwise it is iTunes 9.
And seriously guys, you can't think of a failed MS product recently ?
Anyway, good software, bad software, no one should give Microsoft the time of day. After all the crap they pulled over the years and all the harm they've caused in the software/hardware industry, they should be left to rot while firms that respect standards and interoperability move on to become tomorrow's leader. We should never have a repeat of the 80s/90s/early 00s where Microsoft was the only option for a lot of things, unless you wanted to live on the fringe.
So if Windows Phone 7 was Windows Mobile 7 instead, you would say they are the same? Actually, iOS starts from 4.0. Prior to that, it was iPhone OS. I bet the iOS figures include devices running iPhone OS too. You can't run iPhone OS 1.0 apps on iOS 4.0, so that shouldn't be relevant.
Besides, Windows Mobile shouldn't be that popular anymore to actually have an effect on the numbers.
People said that the xbox wouldn't sell because people loved the playstation and nintendo brand so much. Look where we are now. WP7 will sell. More handsets are coming now and with Windows 8 using Metro UI it will entice people so see how good it is.
Metro scales well across devices. It will look even better on a tablet than a phone IMO
Metro scales well across devices. It will look even better on a tablet than a phone IMO
Uh ? There were no iPhone OS 1.0 apps. The App Store and the SDK were introduced along with iPhone OS 2.0.