Off topic but related to our forum

[1042686]

What about the “I can’t recommend PPC for regular user” threads - IIRC it all started with a linked YT video. Anyhow, That topic has flared up a few time with a few forum members who no longer participate here and ended up with some moderator censorship IIRC. That thread topic was a live wire for sure.

Pretty much speaks to the demeanor of the general PPC forum however as the users who got upset & escalated were not really regular names that I recognized.

 

[1042686]

One thing I have noticed in many members here in the neighboring forums is that they are much more likely to come off as more... should I say... rough? And more prone to feel provoked. It's almost as if it was the difference between someone from New Jersey and someone from Hawaii, two very different places.

The fact that people can't seem to stop getting caught up in petty arguments and heated disagreements, not just on this site, but all over the Internet... I wonder if it has something to do with the mass infantilization of society going on now? It's almost a distinct characteristic in the modern digital age that most people be devoid of (as RD and Joe put it) patience, humility, and I would even argue intellectual honesty, which has no doubt played a big part in making politics the juggernaut destroyer of worlds it never was before, but is now. It seems as if everyone around you, family and friends included (that is if you have friends, which are not a given in this age, especially among the younger folk), has fallen into tribalism (which does have its place in the world, albeit not where it has been most commonly evidenced now) and blind social factions.

I wonder still, if thanks to the Internet largely replacing in-person groups and true friendships mostly during the 2010s, we as a collective people unconsciously sought to replace this need with something socially compatible albeit comparatively dangerous in the form of these modern faction politics and outright information warfare? Perhaps it is not so misguided to believe that the world, and especially America, wouldn't now be nearly ready to wholesale burst into flames if we as individuals did not feel so isolated and prone to direct these frustrations towards other, more unstable venues in lieu of the traditional medium.

This reminds me of a well-constructed video I saw a while back, and that I think was so good in execution, I've rewatched roughly once a year. I think it largely hits the nail on the head, and is a relevant, wistful reminder of the current present we find ourselves in now and going forward.

Hmm, in regards to the violence & rhetoric, I believe firmly that the vast majority of the American centeR want neither Physical or rhetorical violence. The groups acting out Violently are very much outliers to the cultural norm of our nation.

When you hold a country hostage for months on end, prevent them from working, ask them to commit financial suicide, & your local govt refuses to protect you from politically motivated ultra violence etc. that very real & intense financial, health & safety stress inevitably bubbles to the surface and Shows its ugly face on the singular digital platform providing a outlet for our frustrations and also just happens to be our only real “free” surrogate social space.

A perfect storm is born. Remember, humanity is inherently violent. It is that very realization that pushes some fringe groups to the violence we see now and equally so is the impetus for Angry yet peaceful restraint shown by the cultural center of wherever you reside.

In regards to the US specifically, I believe much of the vitriol & manifested physical violence & destruction will subside after the election. That is after all the mail in ballots are counted and the results accepted. Behavior will calm down. Get everyone back to work & focused on their own lives, their own future, their own family & we can regain a sense of control over our destiny and from that regain normalcy.

and we’ll be here, messing around with our ppc macs Through it all.

 

[Raging Dufus]

This reminds me of a well-constructed video I saw a little while back. I think it largely hits the nail on the head, and is a relevant, wistful reminder of the current present we find ourselves in now and going forward.

Thanks for those. I'm not much of a gamer, and likely would never have come across those videos on my own. I found them very thought-provoking.

 

[Raging Dufus]

In regards to the US specifically, I believe much of the vitriol & manifested physical violence & destruction will subside after the election. That is after all the mail in ballots are counted and the results accepted. Behavior will calm down. Get everyone back to work & focused on their own lives, their own future, their own family & we can regain a sense of control over our destiny and from that regain normalcy.

I'd like to think you're right, but what I see is both sides hardening their positions in anticipation of loss. I have real doubts as to whether the results of the upcoming U.S. election will be accepted, no matter which side prevails. I won't pretend to be above it all, I do have a side and I'm suspicious of the "other." But I'm nearly as shocked at some of the rhetoric and actions I see from people who are, at least putatively, in the same camp as me, as I am at what's been coming from the other camp. Not that there aren't more than two "camps" in American politics, but it is largely a binary proposition in any way that matters.

I'd like to think I retain at least enough objectivity to recognize my own lack of objectivity, if that makes any sense... and I fear that the same is not true of far, far too many people. But of course, I would say that about myself now wouldn't I? That was kind of the point of those vids z970mp shared.

I'm not ready to go to war (I mean that in a figurative sense, let's hope it stays that way) over losing, but I think a lot of people are. I hope the economy and life in general improves enough for those people to refocus their efforts on opportunities instead of losses.

 

[torvan]

To me, I have watched over the past 20 years the slide of true Americanism into either Far Right or Far Left, silencing what used to be the Moderate which was the majority. Now it seems both sides are playing songs that will turn out to be Siren ones, and taking our Republic down like the ships lured by the Sirens.

Forum wise, I respect all opinions on tech and Macs, seeing as I have a foot in both PPC and Intel Macs, and will eventually in ARM Macs too. But the minute someone starts arguing instead of debating, I stop participating since the Far PPC and the Far Intel camps seem to be pulling people like me apart.

 

[swamprock]

So this is probably against forum rules, however there is a specific audience that this is meant for and you all are only on this forum.

I have been a member of MR since 2008, and I’ve basically always posted only in the PPC forum. Mainly because I didn’t get an Intel Mac until around 2011.
Anyways, I’ve noticed a trend. And this is partly my fault because I have zero patience (that’s what happens when you work in Law Enforcement, lol). I ALWAYS get into an argument in the other forums on here. And they almost always begin with the other person being rude, or at least coming off that way. My natural response is to take it to the next level.

Its to the point that I don’t even want to look at any of the other forums. Nobody will have a civilized conversation with you if you don’t have the same opinion. Whenever my opinion differs from theirs, it seems like they go on the immediate offensive, and I’m the idiot for having a differing opinion.

I’ve seen a few of you make similar comments about this happening. I’m just curious if this is something the rest of you agree (or disagree) with or have noticed. I rarely find another member of our section commenting in any of the other sections and I have a feeling this may be why.

We have our own little island in this section, that sorta feels unmoderated mainly because we usually don’t need it here. And the time we did it took forever to get action. Anytime I report a post elsewhere, usually for provoking me, it is ignored. But the second I reciprocate in the childish argument my comment gets deleted.
None of this is ever a problem in this section. We are all usually respectful and if there’s a disagreement we look for the facts to find the answer, and are always humble when proven wrong.

Concur. Thank you for your service in law enforcement, regardless of what capacity you perform. Our LEOs and other law enforcement heroes need our support and encouragement in these wicked times.

Hmm, I personally enjoy dipping in the political forum from time to time and pull all of their identity politics, grievance culture, soyboy, anti capitalist, pro marxist, liberal strings. I consider it more of a public service in that without a dissenting American conservative opinion illustrating everything that is patently wrong with their constructed narrative of US history, Institutional oppression, hatred & grievance, they get lost down their rabbit hole destined to the hypnosis of their marxist leftist echo chamber.

I help my good friends over there remember the ideals that make the United States an amazing & inclusive (contrary to lefty belief) place to reside.

And with that I obviously try (sometimes unsuccessfully) to leave that out of this place and just talk shop.

Y’all have a great day.

Long live the Republic.

I stay out of the political forums here. In fact, this is the only forum that I visit in those rare times where I can actually pop in here. I spend enough time in political work and discussions that I try my best to leave it out of here. I will state that your adjectives describe the absolutely unhinged, power-mad, wacko left to a T. It's unbelieveable to me (and to the majority of Americans, regardless of what the democrat propaganda media tells everyone) that they're willing to bow to the marxists and communists in their quest for absolute power, and destroy the Republic in the process.

To me, I have watched over the past 20 years the slide of true Americanism into either Far Right or Far Left, silencing what used to be the Moderate which was the majority. Now it seems both sides are playing songs that will turn out to be Siren ones, and taking our Republic down like the ships lured by the Sirens.

Forum wise, I respect all opinions on tech and Macs, seeing as I have a foot in both PPC and Intel Macs, and will eventually in ARM Macs too. But the minute someone starts arguing instead of debating, I stop participating since the Far PPC and the Far Intel camps seem to be pulling people like me apart.

The far left and the far right; both of which are embedded in the corrupt globalist system; are in the very painful process of being dismantled, which is what has led to this madness that we're living in today. A lot of cash cows are disappearing for much of the elite, and it's led to a new kind of war. It'll get much worse before it (hopefully, for God's sake) gets better.

Ok... enough of that. Back to our regularly-scheduled chillfest...

 

[z970]

@Raging Dufus He's got another one titled "The OTHER Most Profound Moment in Gaming History".

I disagree with some select viewpoints he appears to imply in that video, but I think they are nonetheless very interesting perspectives. From what I've found thus far, existentialism is one of the most "food-for-thought" topics in life I've ever seen, if at least to serve no other purpose but to attempt to help gain a more complete understanding of why the world currently operates in the way it does.

I believe you're referring to self-awareness, when you speak of objectivity. One would think that most people could agree that society at large lacks this crucial quality that makes us a supposedly higher intelligence (and then you must ask exactly where the line resides between arrogance and objectivity) - but ironically at the same time, you still have to wonder (and with good reason) how many of these said people did not form that conclusion on their own as a result of free thought and independent research, but instead from long-term social influence and broader conditioning, thus rendering their positions as merely copied, just as the video suggests. And yet, as you reference, none of us are totally exempt from this trait, almost as if it were a given quality inherent to human nature.

Just look at the pandemic, which may or may not have malicious origins depending on who you ask at this point in time. Once war came home, how many people used the herd mentality to blindly follow what their peers and unelected "officials" were saying and doing, without reviewing not only the established sources, but additional sources for themselves and drawing organic conclusions based from the information detailed there?

Your comprehension of reality depends on your perception of it. For me, the apparent reality of society as it was, is, and may turn out to be is extremely sobering, to say the least.

@swamprock Your third reply... You hit the nail on the head; absolutely spot on.

As to the grand majority of the #0000ff territories today, I don't even bother with the adjectives. Quite frankly, they are only possessed by a malevolence that society has convinced itself doesn't exist. As far as I can comprehend it, there is simply no other realistic explanation for what we've witnessed taking place in the world during the past consecutive four years, and most especially this year alone.

You simply cannot make these things up.

 

[iluvmacs99]

So this is probably against forum rules, however there is a specific audience that this is meant for and you all are only on this forum.

I have been a member of MR since 2008, and I’ve basically always posted only in the PPC forum. Mainly because I didn’t get an Intel Mac until around 2011.
Anyways, I’ve noticed a trend. And this is partly my fault because I have zero patience (that’s what happens when you work in Law Enforcement, lol). I ALWAYS get into an argument in the other forums on here. And they almost always begin with the other person being rude, or at least coming off that way. My natural response is to take it to the next level.

Its to the point that I don’t even want to look at any of the other forums. Nobody will have a civilized conversation with you if you don’t have the same opinion. Whenever my opinion differs from theirs, it seems like they go on the immediate offensive, and I’m the idiot for having a differing opinion.

I’ve seen a few of you make similar comments about this happening. I’m just curious if this is something the rest of you agree (or disagree) with or have noticed. I rarely find another member of our section commenting in any of the other sections and I have a feeling this may be why.

We have our own little island in this section, that sorta feels unmoderated mainly because we usually don’t need it here. And the time we did it took forever to get action. Anytime I report a post elsewhere, usually for provoking me, it is ignored. But the second I reciprocate in the childish argument my comment gets deleted.
None of this is ever a problem in this section. We are all usually respectful and if there’s a disagreement we look for the facts to find the answer, and are always humble when proven wrong.

I highly recommend that you do some research in the "separate selves" and you'll find some interesting ideas as to why you always react the way you do and others in the forum react the way they do.

Basically, we have our true self and this is a self that defines you as a person, as a human being on this planet with experiences and expertise that a person might like to share with other people. This self in sincere because in essence it has that basic humanity and humility, willing and cooperative and non-divisive. But in the process of obtaining this experience and knowledge, we create these other selves, these separate selves to help us interface with other people or the environment without our basic humanity getting in the way. For example, you work in law enforcement and so you have to create these separate selves and these selves are like little programs that react to different situations that might become life threatening to you in the action of law enforcement and these created selves that you create were for your own protection and your effectiveness in the field of law enforcement. Certainly these selves will only come on when triggered by specific events, very likely events that is confrontational because that is perhaps what you had created for those purpose. There is nothing wrong in creating these selves. We all create these selves so we react to things much faster and more automated; a very quick muscle reflex response. Which is why people often say, they have zero patience or an impulse. But that statement is actually not true. The reason is not you don't have the patience; it's because your selves come out and react to them automatically and quickly like a martial artist who have ingrained muscle reflexes and fight automatically when a threat arises. And your selves had come out and react to the situation, your true self just stood by and watch. After all of that said and then, the more mature of an individual they are, the more mastery they are able to become balanced and the ability to diffuse the situation and let their true selves take over, diffuse the situation and be humble at the mistakes they made. But these are mature individuals who understood that the selves they created are meant to deal with specific situations, but your true self has that full control. The true self has that compassion and understood that others who react poorly are controlled by their own separate selves. They let these selves control their lives, their misery and sometimes their downfall. Eventually though, they too will get fed up playing the game and give up. They'll just withdraw from the forum, because they no longer get the pleasure from the selves, from the drama they got from other people.

I think that when we become more mature, more balanced, we are able to identify these selves in us and while they may react to some situations and conditions, we no longer are controlled by those conditions. We have transcended those conditions and we just either let go if we disagree or just move on. And that's what I do, because I respect other people's opinions and I can't force my own to them if they don't accept it and neither will I be happy if they force theirs onto me either.

I find that this forum in particular have people who are more balanced, more mature and less serious if we are in the debate. That comes with some life experience. Hope this helps.

 

[1042686]

Concur. Thank you for your service in law enforcement, regardless of what capacity you perform. Our LEOs and other law enforcement heroes need our support and encouragement in these wicked times.



I stay out of the political forums here. In fact, this is the only forum that I visit in those rare times where I can actually pop in here. I spend enough time in political work and discussions that I try my best to leave it out of here. I will state that your adjectives describe the absolutely unhinged, power-mad, wacko left to a T. It's unbelieveable to me (and to the majority of Americans, regardless of what the democrat propaganda media tells everyone) that they're willing to bow to the marxists and communists in their quest for absolute power, and destroy the Republic in the process.



The far left and the far right; both of which are embedded in the corrupt globalist system; are in the very painful process of being dismantled, which is what has led to this madness that we're living in today. A lot of cash cows are disappearing for much of the elite, and it's led to a new kind of war. It'll get much worse before it (hopefully, for God's sake) gets better.

Ok... enough of that. Back to our regularly-scheduled chillfest...

So what is so darn funny to me is that I am a registered democrat and having voted in the elections of four standing presidents at this point, I voted for the democratic candidate in all of them - and here I am speaking to "conservative values". How is that even possible? It illustrates how far left the left has swung - here I am a registered Democrat denouncing a democratic party that simply does not in any way represent my own or the American values I and millions like me hold. It illustrates the out right take over of the DNC by an ultra-left neo marxist ideology. I mean it still baffles mhen I ponder this rapid and aggressive evolution of the party's politics.

I always criticized the GOP as being out of touch and unwilling to move across the aisle in a meaningful way but I now realize why this tactic was and is employed. They're not being obstructionist, they're defending the mainstay values of the nation in light of an aggressive ethno tribalist marxist take over of the DNC and policies that would erode our value systems. Verbiage I would have used to describe the GOP in 2000, I now use daily when describing the DNC.

Anyhow, Im treading a very fine line here, so will lay off the politico speak. Like so many have spoken to here, we have cultivated such a relaxed, personable and friendly environment (most of the time) it's extremely easy to walk into new topics within individual threads and meander into discussion outside of the areas they're supposed to be in (like politics duh)

Anyhow, I must stay positive in light of the current political climate as I have two small boys 1 & 3 years old respectively. Our Nation will not fail becuase it can not fail. Not only would that be catastrophic to my children, it would be unimaginably disruptive to the world economically, politically, etc. leaving a huge vacuum for a destructive power struggle to ensue and fill. You can guess who those players would be. The fall out would encompass the entire planet, not simply stop at our borders, so no, failure is not an option. My positivity is necessary.

I think these words are quite applicable in today's climate. Hope and try for the best outcome but plan for the worst. Due diligence.

 

[z970]

@iluvmacs99 Very interesting...

 

[I7guy]

One thing members need to clearly understand when they use this site is that if you are critical of Apple in ANY way shape or form, you will end up on the recieving end of unwanted and unwarranted abuse. You'll get 'baited' into arguments where you will end up being punished for breaking some rule. It's frustrating when it happens but is a fact of life with regards to this forum. People have to live with it or move on to somewhere else.

My observation is the broader the claim, the more hyperbolic the claim and/or the wording of the post the more passionate the responses and the discussion.

My only advice, is don't let yourself be abused or baited. You can discuss back in a manner that is entirely consistent with the policies of the site.

 

[eyoungren]

My observation is the broader the claim, the more hyperbolic the claim and/or the wording of the post the more passionate the responses and the discussion.

My only advice, is don't let yourself be abused or baited. You can discuss back in a manner that is entirely consistent with the policies of the site.

I once got into a discussion with someone on the iPhone forums about how the iPhone 5s was not black. My argument was that the phone was gray, because while gray is a shade of black, it's not 100 percent black.

We went around and around until someone else made the comment that just because a car has black tires, that does not make a car black. Pretty much ended it right there.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

I rarely get time to idly browse the PPC forum here anymore because of school, but I can say that this is definitely the community I enjoy the most. It's a nice and warm, welcoming place for those of us who like to sit back and play with old comptuers all day.

I rarely venture into the other forums because my iPhone SE has served me flawlessly for the past two (almost three) years and the newest Mac I own is a 2009 MacBook, but on the rare occasion that I do I have foudn that the other forums are littered wtih very... infantile discussion topics if that's the right word? Largely it seems to be people getting into arguments over things that don't even exist yet and the occasional painfully obvious troll post saying that one thing is unequivocally better than anything else or something to that effect (a notable exception would be the photography forum however).

Anyway, yea, those are my thoughts, but people here do seem to be a nicer bunch than what I've seen elsewhere

(that reminds me, I need to post a screenshot for September in that thread if I haven't already)

 

[Amethyst1]

I have foudn that the other forums are littered wtih very... infantile discussion topics if that's the right word?

I wonder if that's because members on the other forums are very young for some reason?

 

[2984839]

I wonder if that's because members on the other forums are very young for some reason?

That is definitely possible, especially the iPhone and iOS forums.

I do get a kick out of watching people arguing about the performance of ARM Macs that nobody has yet, outside of some developers who were given prototypes.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

I wonder if that's because members on the other forums are very young for some reason?

I mean, that could be. I'm probably one of the youngest people who speaks regularly in this forum xD

Also maybe the relative experience. In general, the regulars on the PPC forum seem quite well-acquainted with computers whether they have a degree in CS or IT or if they just like to tinker or a combination of the two. I don't always see that same level of expertise in other fora on this site (especially in the iPhone forum).

 

[Amethyst1]

I do get a kick out of watching people arguing about the performance of ARM Macs that nobody has yet,

Yeh, it seems some people have way too much time on their hands

 

[eyoungren]

I wonder if that's because members on the other forums are very young for some reason?

I know a few regulars in the iPhone forum that are within 20 years or so of my age (I'll be 50 soon). I don't know if that fits into your definition of 'very young' or not.

 

[AL1630]

I mean, that could be. I'm probably one of the youngest people who speaks regularly in this forum xD

Also maybe the relative experience. In general, the regulars on the PPC forum seem quite well-acquainted with computers whether they have a degree in CS or IT or if they just like to tinker or a combination of the two. I don't always see that same level of expertise in other fora on this site (especially in the iPhone forum).

I'm young like you as well, but I've been interested in computers pretty much since the first time I used one. I would guess that's the case for a lot of the regulars in this section. Most of the rest of the site is arguing about unconfirmed rumors like they're fact and deciding who loves/hates apple the most. It's nice to come in here and see what's new with old computers!

 

[Amethyst1]

Most of the rest of the site is arguing about unconfirmed rumors like they're fact

This site is called MacRumors after all.

 

[Amethyst1]

I know a few regulars in the iPhone forum that are within 20 years or so of my age (I'll be 50 soon). I don't know if that fits into your definition of 'very young' or not.

Not really - I was thinking of teenagers or something like that.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

I'm young like you as well, but I've been interested in computers pretty much since the first time I used one. I would guess that's the case for a lot of the regulars in this section. Most of the rest of the site is arguing about unconfirmed rumors like they're fact and deciding who loves/hates apple the most. It's nice to come in here and see what's new with old computers!

Yeah, same honestly. There are baby pictures where I'm sitting next to my dad while he works on a ThinkPad that is probably about as old as me, so I definitely have had an interest for a long time as well

This site is called MacRumors after all.

Fair

Not really - I was thinking of teenagers or something like that.

Well, I guess the older members could cause just as much trouble for the same reason tbf.

 

[Amethyst1]

Well, I guess the older members could cause just as much trouble for the same reason tbf.

That's correct of course - being young doesn't necessarily imply immaturity, being older doesn't necessarily imply maturity (when it comes to dealing with Apple stuff LOL).

 

[z970]

the regulars on the PPC forum seem quite well-acquainted with computers whether they have a degree in CS or IT or if they just like to tinker or a combination of the two

Unpopular opinion: From a lack of familiarity, I cannot speak knowledgeably for the rest of the world outside of western territories. But with perhaps few current exceptions, degrees are enormously overrated and a complete waste of time and money to acquire. In the advent of a complete record of all human history becoming available to virtually anyone at all, traditional colleges have long since overstayed their welcome and have over time fallen corrupted to malicious partisan politics and have as a result not only turned the youth against their land and people, but have crippled them at a relatively early age with the burden of what usually become lifelong debts to carry.

The concept of locking crucial industry-specific information behind a paywall and verifying the individual's mental assimilation of it with a framed and glorified sheet of paper is inherently flawed and has brainwashed generations since the industrial age. It is no longer the industrial age; it is now the information age. Society's infrastructure and common wisdom needs to move on.

Proposed solution (out of endless different realistic concepts): For a far more efficient use of time and resources for both the individual and employer, job-specific training either provided by the employer or acquired on the individual's own time before applying (perhaps from freely available resources offered from said employer, other employers within differing fields, or of a general purpose variety available from another resource on the Internet) is a much more optimal system that is suited to and takes full advantage of the current information age and the technological advancements afforded from it.

Not only would the individual be better prepared for freelancing should they choose that route, but (much like a computer) they would be specially "optimized" for any given occupation of choice, given that they already independently assimilated the information on offer from their employer, meaning they begin at a faster rate, and possess a reduced chance of failure (probability to mistakes) on the job. And just as well, the employer wouldn't need to cover as much ground during interviews or orientation, given that the individual was prepared for the job position right out of the gate, overall creating a much more harmonious and "custom-fit" relationship between the two parties, saving time, energy, and long-term resources.

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In any case, that is of course to say nothing of the preceding dumpster fire public government indoctrination system that demonstratively does not work, and unlike college, may or may not have a functionally-identical foundation and execution worldwide, depending on the region.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

degrees are enormously overrated and a complete waste of time and money to acquire

I wasn't saying that it was the only way to become acquainted with computers (I, for one, am a first year architecture major), I was using CS and IT degrees as examples of formal education one might acquire and in a more lyrical sense. What I meant when I said that was that the people of our forum overall are more acquainted with computers, no matter how they obtained that knowledge or what form of formal training, if any, that they have acquired over their time as a computer technician, either by trade or by hobby.