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OK I appreciate that feedback. But since I've been waiting for 4, maybe I'll get Plex plus Mac Mini now- and enjoy the next few years- and then come back to :apple:TV Version 3 when they finally deliver a 1080p box. That way, I can enjoy the now and the future, instead of waiting on the future.

That's one of the problems with these "720p is good enough" arguments against all alternatives. We've had 1080HDTVs for years (I've got one that is 8 years old). BD is doing well and it can max out our HDTVs last year. Other companies that aren't even classically in this space have also rolled out 1080p-capable boxes. Apple even gives us all the rest of the tools (iMovie can edit & render 1080p, iTunes can store and play it well).

This is so Apple's to take. It's so much within reach. But deciding 720p is good enough for its customers is the wrong way to go. The better option would be to put 1080p capabilities inside and sell this little box to everyone, even though it might be a few more years until some 1080i/p content arrives in the iTunes store. Getting the box entrenched will motivate some (greedy) Studio to test 1080i/p content via iTunes, rather than giving Walmart and Best Buy a slice and having to package physical media, distribute it, etc.

Don't get those 1080p boxes in place, and Studios can't even test 1080i/p content for :apple:TV even if they wanted to do so tonight. Apple could couch it as doing their part- "we built the hardware and a lower cost way for companies to deliver their content rather than selling it on "bag of hurt" discs through retail stores. They can even sell their entire back catalog without having to beg for retail space because it can all be virtually displayed in iTunes..." Etc.

I do agree with your belief that the video Studios are terrified of ending up under Apple's other thumb, like their buddies in the music business. But Apple could make them come to Apple if Apple would get enough little 1080p-:apple:TV boxes flying into homes faster than BD boxes. Eventually the Studio's greed will make someone ask to put that content in the store. However, not getting 1080p hardware into homes creates ZERO incentive for any Studio to come calling wanting to sell 1080p content via :apple:TV.
 
next year we'll see apple tv 3 with downloadable apps (hulu+, mlb.tv, abc.com, etc) and 1080p support (streaming through amazon?). the current (apple tv 2) ones will get app support but not 1080p support.

bank on it.

;)
 
next year we'll see apple tv 3 with downloadable apps (hulu+, mlb.tv, abc.com, etc) and 1080p support (streaming through amazon?). the current (apple tv 2) ones will get app support but not 1080p support.

bank on it.

;)

I would hope so. As an owner of the 2006 version though, we had that kind of hope year after year between 2006 and 2010. Thus, I wonder if Apple hobbies can now get on an annual refresh schedule.

I certainly can imagine software updates- such as apps- as we saw software updates with the old :apple:TV (it seems like) at least once a year. But hardware updates (other than a different capacity hard drive) were completely absent (from Apple) between 2006 and 2010. If one can estimate a pattern from that (we can't), it would imply the next hardware update is aimed at 2014. But let's hope someone pushes the gas pedal a little harder for this version.
 
Honestly, the kicker to me is that they wont play .MKV, .xvid, .avi, or any number of other formats I have my media in.

I want:

A unit with HDMI
A unit that can stream and process 1080p via streaming from my network
A unit that will play almost any format I throw at it
A unit that has a user friendly UI with decent organization
Something that integrates with my universal remotes.

I would be willing to pay $250 for this. I wouldn't pay $99 for the Apple TV
 
Honestly, the kicker to me is that they wont play .MKV, .xvid, .avi, or any number of other formats I have my media in.

I want:

A unit with HDMI
A unit that can stream and process 1080p via streaming from my network
A unit that will play almost any format I throw at it
A unit that has a user friendly UI with decent organization
Something that integrates with my universal remotes.

I would be willing to pay $250 for this. I wouldn't pay $99 for the Apple TV

it doesn't exist. all of the boxes i've used that do everything (play everything) have horrible interfaces. apple tv has a great interface but no 1080p/non-itunes format support. there's always building your own htpc (mac mini, nettop, etc.) but those will run more than $250 or won't be powerful enough for 1080p.

bottom line....no matter what you get, you're compromising. whether it's price, codec support, maintenance and upkeep, user interface, whatever.

i noticed the apple store has apple tv shipping in 3-4 weeks instead of "september" now.
 
I just don't see any good reason to get an apple tv considering the capabilities of plex, especially with the way they are advancing. Teaming up with LG, releasing consistent updates, and awesome forum/community support. It took apple 4 years to update it and still didn't add 1080p. Most people that are interested in this as a hobby are usually pretty well off anyways, so why not get a mac mini and just use it as a plex box? I will never be getting an apple tv unless it has 1080p and allows me to watch whatever file i have on my hard drive.
 
Thinking of purchasing an Apple TV.

-Want something that has Netflix capabilities to a 720P HDTV
-Have numerous TV seasons purchased from the itunes store (I am wondering if I'll be able to play these on my TV with the Apple TV). How does that work?

I'm wondering if I'm better off just spending the $49.99 on an XBox Live membership for the Netflix capability as opposed to the $99 for ATV.

The wireless aspect of ATV is definitely an appealing trait over the ethernet tethered xbox live.

Appreciate any feedback.
 
Thinking of purchasing an Apple TV.

-Want something that has Netflix capabilities to a 720P HDTV
-Have numerous TV seasons purchased from the itunes store (I am wondering if I'll be able to play these on my TV with the Apple TV). How does that work?

I'm wondering if I'm better off just spending the $49.99 on an XBox Live membership for the Netflix capability as opposed to the $99 for ATV.

The wireless aspect of ATV is definitely an appealing trait over the ethernet tethered xbox live.

Appreciate any feedback.

The new ATV (as well as the current) can stream your HD or SD TV shows, music videos, movies, music or podcasts from your computer to your TV. It's simple to setup and use. I've watched probably hundreds of videos (mostly TV shows) I've bought from iTunes on my Apple TV. SInce it's an Apple product, it authorizes your device to play protected content.

Netflix is not on the current Apple TV, but will be on the new Apple TV.

The XBox Gold membership will eventually need to be renewed, whereas the Apple TV is a one-time purchase and will stream your content from iTunes seamlessly, whereas your Xbox will have to have to have the DRM removed in order to stream, and even then the interface probably won't be as nice. You get nice artwork and metadata on the Apple TV (like episode name, info, director, year, etc).
 
it doesn't exist. all of the boxes i've used that do everything (play everything) have horrible interfaces. apple tv has a great interface but no 1080p/non-itunes format support. there's always building your own htpc (mac mini, nettop, etc.) but those will run more than $250 or won't be powerful enough for 1080p.

Nonsense, really nonsense. Asus 1012 Atom system(or another quiet Ion system) +XBMC Live. And you will be set back 250$, not much more.

1. The XBMC interface is top notch
2. Codec support as good as it gets
3. Netflix capabilities
4. 1080P through HW acceleration (Nvidia Ion)
5. Silent. Not every Ion is silent, but Acer and Asus have very quiet systems.
6. Ease of use. Download the XBMC Live cd ready for Atom and your good to go.
7. 1Gb network capability
8. Built in HDD
9. Memory and HDD upgradeable
10. Multiple USB ports

I prefer the Mac mini as the general usability (better processor and OS)is higher, but an Atom HTPC is quite amazing. The new Mac mini pricing make this gap (to?) big.

I'm not saying that this is what the ATV should be, as it would just hurt the sales of the mini, but claiming something like it doesn't exist is nonsense. It exists for quite awhile now.

Oh and can the UI-Interface argument please die? XBMC runs on almost everything and has an extremely nice interface (with scrapers and what not). If you use OSX you can also use sibling Plex. The argument that an XBOX has a horrible interface is put to shame by the cold hard fact that the best interface (XBMC) is indeed born on the XBOX.

A telltale sign: Almost any OSX HTPC, be it a mini or ATV is built around XBMC/Plex. Considering XBMC is platform independent this invalidates all the UI arguments.
 
Is there ANY reason to move from a Mac Mini Media Center (with a 1TB external HD) to the Apple TV? I can't think of one. Anyone?
 
Honestly, the kicker to me is that they wont play .MKV, .xvid, .avi, or any number of other formats I have my media in.

I want:

A unit with HDMI
A unit that can stream and process 1080p via streaming from my network
A unit that will play almost any format I throw at it
A unit that has a user friendly UI with decent organization
Something that integrates with my universal remotes.

I would be willing to pay $250 for this. I wouldn't pay $99 for the Apple TV

PS3 with PS3 Media Server can do all of the above.
 
PS3 with PS3 Media Server can do all of the above.

yeah not well tho. fast forwarding some formats is atrocious on PSM and some wont play at all. Im betting apple tv will be able to play all of these formats with ease with the new Air Video app for ATV ;)
 
So far I am very happy with the new apple TVs. I even tried streaming the same movie from 3 different apple tvs at the same time and works flawlessly. Set up was easy.
 
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