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OLED And The Future Of The iPhone

mkrishnan said:
So this is screen in comparison to the GPS receiver, the WiFi/BT/Cell/Data radios, the CPU, and the GPU? Interesting...

Any chance I can get you to post a screenshot? I'm not aware of anything like that for the iPhone and I'm really curious about what the breakout looks like in more detail. :)
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There is a battery app, not exactly power consumption by component though.

Battery app
http://www.cultofmac.com/battery-ga...-pretty-much-any-activity-on-the-iphone/21321
 

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I am not sure about the 3G/Phone Chip, but in relation to the rest of the device, the screen uses much more power.
 
Let's just stop.

OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I have a 46 inch LED Samsung TV and it is the greatest TV in existence right now (except for the 240 hz model instead of the 120). The blacks are the deepest inkiest blacks in existence and the whites are the purest brightest whites you can find.

I don't give a FLIP if it's a bit harder to read under direct sunlight than in a lit room. How many of you use your iphones in a MAJORITY of outside? I know when I think TELELPHONES I think in-house, or at least in-something. Certainly you'll definitely use it outside, but 95% of the time, that will be TO YOUR EAR, TALKING. You'll be walking, running, skating, partying...WITH. SOMEONE. ELSE. ON. THE. LINE. The other 5% of the time will be reading webpages or browsing music.

Don't tell me an LED iPhone is a bad idea because of the backlit reasoning of outside. LED's use 40% less power, are thinner, and would be the #1 reason for Apple to switch in the iphone 4.0 7 or 8 hour iphones usage? with DAYS of standby? yes please. Apple, ignore the retards who care about outside usage/brightness. Do what is right for the BRAND.
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I have a 46 inch LED Samsung TV and it is the greatest TV in existence right now (except for the 240 hz model instead of the 120). The blacks are the deepest inkiest blacks in existence and the whites are the purest brightest whites you can find.

I don't give a FLIP if it's a bit harder to read under direct sunlight than in a lit room. How many of you use your iphones in a MAJORITY of outside? I know when I think TELELPHONES I think in-house, or at least in-something. Certainly you'll definitely use it outside, but 95% of the time, that will be TO YOUR EAR, TALKING. You'll be walking, running, skating, partying...WITH. SOMEONE. ELSE. ON. THE. LINE. The other 5% of the time will be reading webpages or browsing music.

Don't tell me an LED iPhone is a bad idea because of the backlit reasoning of outside. LED's use 40% less power, are thinner, and would be the #1 reason for Apple to switch in the iphone 4.0 7 or 8 hour iphones usage? with DAYS of standby? yes please. Apple, ignore the retards who care about outside usage/brightness. Do what is right for the BRAND.
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I have no idea what you are even talking about. Do you? Are you talking about OLED or LED? The iPhone has always had an LED backlit display and the iPod line has had it for years before the touch.

And yes believe it or not people actually use their mobile phones outside a lot which is the point of a mobile phone. You should also get your facts straight about OLED. It has to use more power in daylight to brighten the screen which it already has a tough time doing and it takes 3x as much power to display white. Go ahead and think about how much white you see on the web and tell me how long the battery will last.

The sole purpose of the iPhone is not a 3.5" movie player. It has to do all things well and OLED cannot handle that right now.
 
I would rather have a faster processor and more RAM than longer battery life, so I sure hope the Settings allows the user to toggle with CPU power versus battery life. The reason I prefer a faster processor is because I don't use my iPhone for 5 hours per day. I use it about 20 times but quickly to look up info. Lately, my regular 3G hasn't been so quick. I wish I had a 3GS but I have already decided that I'm waiting for the next iPhone - so if Apple wants my money, they know what to do. :) :apple:
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I have a 46 inch LED Samsung TV and it is the greatest TV in existence right now (except for the 240 hz model instead of the 120). The blacks are the deepest inkiest blacks in existence and the whites are the purest brightest whites you can find.
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Wow, OMG. Now that you put it that way, I will **** immediately. :eek:
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :),

...snip ...

Don't tell me an LED iPhone is a bad idea because of the backlit reasoning of outside. LED's use 40% less power, are thinner, and would be the #1 reason for Apple to switch in the iphone 4.0 7 or 8 hour iphones usage? with DAYS of standby? yes please. Apple, ignore the retards who care about outside usage/brightness. Do what is right for the BRAND.
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In case you don't know, there is a huge difference between OLED and LED. You might to check on that.
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I have a 46 inch LED Samsung TV and it is the greatest TV in existence right now (except for the 240 hz model instead of the 120). The blacks are the deepest inkiest blacks in existence and the whites are the purest brightest whites you can find.

I don't give a FLIP if it's a bit harder to read under direct sunlight than in a lit room. How many of you use your iphones in a MAJORITY of outside? I know when I think TELELPHONES I think in-house, or at least in-something. Certainly you'll definitely use it outside, but 95% of the time, that will be TO YOUR EAR, TALKING. You'll be walking, running, skating, partying...WITH. SOMEONE. ELSE. ON. THE. LINE. The other 5% of the time will be reading webpages or browsing music.

Don't tell me an LED iPhone is a bad idea because of the backlit reasoning of outside. LED's use 40% less power, are thinner, and would be the #1 reason for Apple to switch in the iphone 4.0 7 or 8 hour iphones usage? with DAYS of standby? yes please. Apple, ignore the retards who care about outside usage/brightness. Do what is right for the BRAND.
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First off, if you bought into the 240 hz hype on your TV set purchase, you are already off to a bad start. The extra refresh rate has been proven in many scientific comparisons to be worth nothing in real-world image quality tests. You paid extra for marketing hype. If Apple put OLED screens in the iPhone, it's kind of the same thing. We'd be paying extra for a new feature just so Apple can put the spec on the box and draw more sales. Even worse, many people have pointed out here that OLEDs would be a step BACKWARDS in outdoor readability and battery life vs. what we have now on the iPhone. So we'd be paying extra for LESS.

I don't know why you're still arguing on the battery life issue. OLEDs draw MORE power under average real-world conditions, especially with all the web browsing that iPhone users do.

And you may not care about outdoor readability, but I sure do. Most do, I'd argue. I MIGHT sacrifice some outdoor readability to get a lot of other benefits, but there don't seem to be any at all.

The iPhone is already very thin. I don't think anyone cares about losing another millimeter or two with the OLED screen.

Sorry, but if you're going to tell people to "****", you need to back that back that statement with some real good arguments. You didn't do that at all here.
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I have a 46 inch LED Samsung TV and it is the greatest TV in existence right now (except for the 240 hz model instead of the 120). The blacks are the deepest inkiest blacks in existence and the whites are the purest brightest whites you can find.

I don't give a FLIP if it's a bit harder to read under direct sunlight than in a lit room. How many of you use your iphones in a MAJORITY of outside? I know when I think TELELPHONES I think in-house, or at least in-something. Certainly you'll definitely use it outside, but 95% of the time, that will be TO YOUR EAR, TALKING. You'll be walking, running, skating, partying...WITH. SOMEONE. ELSE. ON. THE. LINE. The other 5% of the time will be reading webpages or browsing music.

Don't tell me an LED iPhone is a bad idea because of the backlit reasoning of outside. LED's use 40% less power, are thinner, and would be the #1 reason for Apple to switch in the iphone 4.0 7 or 8 hour iphones usage? with DAYS of standby? yes please. Apple, ignore the retards who care about outside usage/brightness. Do what is right for the BRAND.
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So let me get this straight.

You think iPhone users use their iPhones as 95% phone and 5% everything else? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Thanks for that.
 
it's a possibility, people have been reporting ( now these are all rumors of course ) that they're delaying the Tablet due to interests in using OLED displays... I think they'll make their way into the iPhone family in the near future... maybe 1-2 models away.
 
TurboSC said:
it's a possibility, people have been reporting ( now these are all rumors of course ) that they're delaying the Tablet due to interests in using OLED displays... I think they'll make their way into the iPhone family in the near future... maybe 1-2 models away.
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I don't believe it will happen in either device until OLED has clear benefits over LCD in every major measure. Even the iTablet needs to be readable outdoors, especially if we're supposed to read lots of books on it. Lots of people read books outside.

I think that rumor you're quoting is totally bogus. A similar rumor came out about the 3GS before it was released, and lo and behold, no OLED.

I just don't think Apple has much interest in OLED right now, not with LED-backlit LCD being so well refined and cost-effective these days. It's a great technology.
 
History Repeats Itself...

redman042 said:
I don't believe it will happen in either device until OLED has clear benefits over LCD in every major measure. Even the iTablet needs to be readable outdoors, especially if we're supposed to read lots of books on it. Lots of people read books outside.

I think that rumor you're quoting is totally bogus. A similar rumor came out about the 3GS before it was released, and lo and behold, no OLED.

I just don't think Apple has much interest in OLED right now, not with LED-backlit LCD being so well refined and cost-effective these days. It's a great technology.
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To be honest, I really what OLED to happen. Who knows, this exact thread might be pulled up in the future to the face of all the naysayers.

Just like this 2001 MacRumors Thread and a Flashback To The iPod Introduction: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.500/
nobody special said:
10-23-2001, 01:37 PM :Thumbs down: No ***** Way

All that hype for an MP3 player? Break-thru digital device? The Reality Distiortion Field™ is starting to warp Steve’s mind if he thinks for one second that this thing is gonna take off.
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Actually, OLEDs will still outperform LCDs as the majority of light from LCDs is lost through the various polarisers and filters. At the moment commercial displays use fluorescent blue and green and phosphorescent red. Pretty soon, they will switch to phosphorescent green (something like 60-70 Cd/A) which will increase the power efficiency even more. So yes, you have to turn up the brightness on an OLED to be able to see it in sunlight, but it's still using less brightness than and LCD.

http://www.oled-info.com/oleds-direct-sunlight
 
Quite apart from the argument over visibility in sunlight, OLED displays are just too expensive to be included on an iPhone. Apple doesn't use the latest and greatest components in their iPhones, they use ones that are often several generations old and which they can purchase in huge quantities and very cheaply. Right now the iPhone costs them about $130 for components; I just can't see them switching to an OLED display while TTFs remain far cheaper and at least as functional. There just aren't enough benefits to justify the increase in production costs, especially as they face a continuing need to lower the price to attract new users.
 
Did someone in this thread seriously ask why in this day and age the light from our phones can't overpower the candla output of the sun? ;)
 
I'm resurrecting this thread because I just read the Nexus One review on Engadget, and it confirms my fears about OLED. Keep in mind this is supposed to be a brand-new device with the very latest technology.

Review link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/

Quote from the article:

The big issue with the screen, though, is actually the color balance. We found colors on the Nexus One, particularly in the reds and oranges, to be severely blown-out and oversaturated -- a common effect with AMOLED displays like the Nexus One's. At first we thought Google had tweaked some of the Market settings because the highlight orange was so bright, but comparing images on the web across different displays, the Nexus One consistently looked brighter then it should have. Oh, and using this thing in daylight? Forget about it. Like most screens of this type, the Nexus One is a nightmare to see with any kind of bright light around, and snapping photos with it on a sunny day was like taking shots with your eyes closed.​

Apple, PLEASE don't buy into the OLED hype unless you've solved these problems completely. I'm very happy with the LCD display on my 3GS - it's bright and plenty contrasty indoors, and reasonably viewable outdoors. The color balance is great - an important consideration for such a media-centric device. If the 4G continued using LCD technology, and just added more pixels, I think the great majority of people will be happy. But if you've truly found a way to make OLED universally better than LCD, then great, let's go for it.
 
Quick and short OLED isn't ready yet for a consistent user experience. It does look nice, but on a phone of this size, a small bump in screen res and pixel density is all that is needed.

I'd like some HD support though, at least with the ability to output at least 720p. On the size of the screen, SD is good enough, but on the new TVs, I'm using blu ray. Come on Apple, switch me over!
 
Bawstun said:
OK, everyone who says the L.E.D. iPhone screen would be too hard to see/read in direct sunlight - needs to **** right now. Let's just get that out of the way. :)

I don't give a FLIP if it's a bit harder to read under direct sunlight than in a lit room. How many of you use your iphones in a MAJORITY of outside
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****? :eek: what a stupid post......

and your "that guy" who thinks that the Otterbox Defender is a useless case.....

I use my iPhone in an Otterbox Defender case, ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE, OUTSIDE 90% OF MY DAY... not all of us iPhone users sit in a cubicle or office inside 95% of the day..... so i for one want the screen that is best for both inside as well as outside, I certainly do not want it to get worse while outside when i upgrade to 4g...... now if that is some version of OLED, LCE, LED i could care less... just don't want to downgrade how the display is effected outside.....

I bet there are more users than you think that care about how the screen looks outside..... :rolleyes:
 
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