OLED or LCD iMac for next update?

[cynics]

So HDR is only for 4K resolution? Is it that much of a difference from 4K videos?
Now I have to wait a decade or so until Apple makes a 5k HDR iMac.
[doublepost=1471693141][/doublepost]http://photoshopcafe.com/tutorials/HDR_ps/hdr-ps.htm

I googled it and found that is actually the photograph HDR effect in Photoshop.

Yes HDR will require a minimum of 4k per its standard.

You won't need to wait long for Apple to sell an HDR capable iMac. They already had the resolution, color bit depth and color space covered for years.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

Yes HDR will require a minimum of 4k per its standard.

You won't need to wait long for Apple to sell an HDR capable iMac. They already had the resolution, color bit depth and color space covered for years.

Agreed, I just hope that they don't underpower it with lacklustre AMD mobile GPUs. I miss having Nvidia in my macs.

 

[cynics]

Agreed, I just hope that they don't underpower it with lacklustre AMD mobile GPUs. I miss having Nvidia in my macs.

I don't think much will change with the power of the video cards used. Nothing particularly special is required for HDR (needs to accept bt2020 although doesn't need to display such since no display is currently capable of that).

AMD should have their high end models (Vega) out by the time we see HDR in Macs. Maybe even Navi (2018)? Vega should be on par with nVidias 10 series and Navi will certainly be better although nVidia will surely push out Ti models or what not by then.

Whether Apple uses something higher end, thats a tough question. I would think by then most Macs will be using integrated graphics except for the highest end models much like the 21" iMac or MBP and depending on what Kaby Lake brings to the table.

 

[btrach144]

Yes HDR will require a minimum of 4k per its standard.

You won't need to wait long for Apple to sell an HDR capable iMac. They already had the resolution, color bit depth and color space covered for years.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision are the two movie HDR standards. They are both tied to 4k.

The Microsoft Xbox One S supports gaming at 1080p HDR. I believe Foriza Horizon 3, coming out September 28th, will be the first HDR game ever released.

 

[cynics]

HDR10 and Dolby Vision are the two movie HDR standards. They are both tied to 4k.

The Microsoft Xbox One S supports gaming at 1080p HDR. I believe Foriza Horizon 3, coming out September 28th, will be the first HDR game ever released.

Good point. I did know the Xbox One S had HDR10 and I knew that games supported it (Gears of War) however I didnt give any thought to gaming.

I suppose its using HDR10 or something very similar since the television needs to work with it? I'm assuming the new Playstation Neo will also support HDR10 (seems Sony equipment is more in favor of HDR10 even though Sony Studios uses both). And since not all new games will run at 4k we'll probably be seeing 1080p HDR on their system too.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

Good point. I did know the Xbox One S had HDR10 and I knew that games supported it (Gears of War) however I didnt give any thought to gaming.

I suppose its using HDR10 or something very similar since the television needs to work with it? I'm assuming the new Playstation Neo will also support HDR10 (seems Sony equipment is more in favor of HDR10 even though Sony Studios uses both). And since not all new games will run at 4k we'll probably be seeing 1080p HDR on their system too.

I read this also, it was my understanding that the Xbox one S and the Neo are both mid level upgrades. The former has been confirmed as a UHD BD player, but i was under the impression 4k gaming would be for the next gen consoles. As for the neo, I've heard conflicting information. I'm not as excited by 4k games, as I am with more 4k content, especially in HDR10.
As it stands, the S is the cheapest UHD player about.

 

[cynics]

I read this also, it was my understanding that the Xbox one S and the Neo are both mid level upgrades. The former has been confirmed as a UHD BD player, but i was under the impression 4k gaming would be for the next gen consoles. As for the neo, I've heard conflicting information. I'm not as excited by 4k games, as I am with more 4k content, especially in HDR10.
As it stands, the S is the cheapest UHD player about.

It's pretty much confirmed at this point that the Neo will support 4k gaming. According to the dev guidelines:

-Prepare a 3840x2160 display buffer, usually using an efficient rending technique such as "checkerboard rendering" when a 4K TV is connected

Sony is telling devs that games don't have to be 4k but would prefer a target of 1800p and require at least 1080p with frame rates that meet or exceed the existing PS4.

There are a lot of rumors flying around that devs are complaining about available memory and Sony may (although I find highly unlikely) update this plus with Xbox Project Scorpio (due next year) as a purpose built 4k gaming machine there is even more pressure on Sony.

DigitalFoundry did an "in theory" test of a PS4 running at 4k by simulating the hardware with an RX480.

PS4, PS Neo, Xbox One and Xbox PJ Scorpio are all supposed to coexist. The newer the system the better graphics and effects will be much like adjusting settings on a PC game to suit your hardware.

I can see where this is going, the writing is on the wall. Incremental console updates, yearly or semi yearly. The newer the console you have the better graphics you'll benefit from...just my opinion anyway.

I totally agree with you. Although I have a 4k TV I don't care about 4k gaming. To be honest I always found resolution to offer the least games vs performance (in moderation). A slight drop in resolution offers great gains in FPS with minimal visual effects. My example would be Xbox One vs PS4 where generally the PS4 has a higher resolution (1080p vs 900p) but I swear I can't see a difference when playing games. Like you I'd much rather have HDR10 and higher frame rates better textures, shadows, other effects, etc....

 

[johnnyturbouk]

So is that much difference in the image quality? Could you post some screenshots I'd like to see how it looks on the oled screen.

4K HDR10 Exodus
it won't let me upload the pics, so here is a link

https://www.evernote.com/l/AFwuEdqsB2lI3LLjyqBpY9WfuqIBwEkgdks

 

[cynics]

Life of Pi both in 4K

No HDR



HDR



No HDR



HDR



Samsung has a HDR+ setting that really makes the image "pop" but I had it off above because its not calibrated properly with HDR+ set to on. Plus turning that setting on isn't a good like for like comparison.

Those were taken with my iPhone 6S so detail is being lost with the contrast especially on the second image. I took some more but I was having a hard time getting the focus right but you get the point.

EDIT: This is NOT an OLED btw which was your original question. Just an HDR demo which OLED isn't a requirement for.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Life of Pi both in 4K

No HDR

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HDR

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No HDR

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HDR

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Samsung has a HDR+ setting that really makes the image "pop" but I had it off above because its not calibrated properly with HDR+ set to on. Plus turning that setting on isn't a good like for like comparison.

Those were taken with my iPhone 6S so detail is being lost with the contrast especially on the second image. I took some more but I was having a hard time getting the focus right but you get the point.

EDIT: This is NOT an OLED btw which was your original question. Just an HDR demo which OLED isn't a requirement for.

I see now.. HDR definitely looks impressive.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

I see now.. HDR definitely looks impressive.

The pic I linked is 4k OLED HDR