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OmniWeb 4.1 ??

Re: Re: Re: Re: Try this...

Originally posted by AlphaTech

Then you wouldn't need to f*ck with the preferences and such just to use it for sites you visit often.
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But OmniWeb *is* compatible with the web site. I visited it this morning. Half of the problem is that OmniWeb *identifies* itself as itself and does not try to fool the site into thinking its IE or Netscape. The other half is that the site does not even try to send content to a browser it deems unable to handle the content.

I place more blame on Harley's site. They judge a browser worthy of content based only on the name of the browser. There are technical reasons to require a specific browser to view a site (notable examples of this are when developers choose to develop a site using IE specific code--then a Netscape browser can't handle the site). While OmniWeb is capable of handling a lot of code for either IE or Netscape, they are much closer to Netscape in implementation.

The bottom line is that OmniWeb identifies itself as a Mozilla compliant browser BY DEFAULT. Mozilla is the same engine new versions of Netscape use. The fact that Harley ignores this and doesn't even try to send content to a perfectly capable browser is simply LAZY CODING.

OmniWeb is not perfect, but it's creators have very little control over this problem. It all goes back to a lack of accetable web standards and a proliferation of incompatible code on the internet.

Matthew
 
alpha i think you missed the point. The point is that in the early days of the browsers, before netscape v. m$ , the movement for web development was for HTML to be an open standard. STANDARD meaning the same everywhere. M$ was caught with its pants down and had to switch the company focus to the internet. They began competing with netscape and when they couldnt win, gave IE away for free. It has worked out okay for most people, because everyone has a browser that is free, but thats not why they did it. They couldnt compete, so they gave it away and began integrating it into the architecture. as they developed IE and their internet-based products, m$ decided to use the word STANDARD on their own terms, thus contradicting the word "standard". But this is m$ and they get away with everything. so now we live in a world wher most sites are designed for m$ ie using crap like Frontpage. Netscape has had to conform to many m$ standards in order to maintain its being an accurate browser.

My longwinded point is, don't blame the browsers, blame the lack of standards. The Omnigroup has done an amazing job making OmniWeb a fast, beautiful browser that is getting better with every build, and is damn near the point of complete compliance with all "standards". The Omnigroup also takes a nice healthy stance on open standards, especially with their icon "Not to shabby in OmniWeb"
 
Yet again, a new sneakypeak has enhanced the functionality of OW. sp58 is doing all my java stuff right now, and im seeing less and less HTML errors.
 
Memory problems.

I'm having some memory problems with OW right now (sp 58). Looks to be some small memory leak. Every once in a while it'll get up to 25 percent mem usage on basic sites.

Its not frequent and is one of only a couple of problems I have with the browsers. Its still my favorite browser for OS X by far.

Matthew
 
sp58

GREAT NEWS, for sp58!! It finally doesn't crash if you go to apple.com and then another site without waiting for Apple to finish!! Yay!! Hmm... memory leaks are a problem. Hopefully they'll fix it in sp 59 or 60 (real release??)
 
OmniWeb is the best

I would say that nothing really compares to OmniWeb in terms of usability and compatibility. It supports Netscape plugins perfectly, is getting faster, makes everything beautiful and really is a joy to use, just like the operating system that it runs in.
 
Someonr may have mentioned this already...

...but the single best thing about OmniWeb is its ability to kill pop up ad windows, and hide banners. This is the World's Best Feature!

I try SO hard to use OmniWeb, but it won't peacefully share my master bookmarks file.
 
Re: Someonr may have mentioned this already...

Originally posted by Nipsy
...but the single best thing about OmniWeb is its ability to kill pop up ad windows, and hide banners. This is the World's Best Feature!
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mozilla also does this.

Originally posted by Nipsy
I try SO hard to use OmniWeb, but it won't peacefully share my master bookmarks file.
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:) so do i. everytime a new sneaky peek comes out i rush on over to download it. but i think the fact that we have to try so hard is a bit wrong. i like the quite from their website "We think it's important to polish every user interaction to make sure that the browser acts the way you want it to — so you can stop thinking about the application you're using and just get at the information you want, quickly. " too bad this isnt true though. they seem to have forgotten the most important part of a browser RENDERING PAGES CORRECTLY! but they are getting better, still seems like they should concentrate on this before adding all the goodies.
 
OW working well.

For how new Omniweb is (relative to IE or Netscape) it really works well. Also, IE sometimes screws up pages that OW renders correctly. Have you ever gotten the endless popup bug where a popup window will continuously appear even if the window is already open? IE makes mistakes too.

And OW is getting much better. Not perfect yet though. Does anyone else get this problem with Javascript...

If a page uses Javascript navigation and has pictures linked on the page, if you click on a picture then click back to the page, the Javascript navigation no longer works. Very annoying.

Overall, I use IE for almost everything. Every once in a while I need IE. The thing is, if I were using IE I would end up having to use Netscape or Omniweb from time to time to make things work correctly. I don't think any browser is perfect.

Matthew
 
where do u get those little "sp58, sp61, etc" upgrades? i can't find them on omnigroup's website or versiontracker
 
Re: OW working well.

Originally posted by mrtrumbe
Every once in a while I need IE. The thing is, if I were using IE I would end up having to use Netscape or Omniweb from time to time to make things work correctly. I don't think any browser is perfect.

Matthew
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i use mozilla as my primary browser. havent had ie installed in quite some time and have never needed it. this is why it is my browser of choice, because although it isnt the perfect app it is the perfect browser... i never need anything else.

i download the omniweb sneaky peaks as soon as they come out to take a look, and play in chimera for fun sometimes but never NEED to use these, they are just fun to play with now and then... a look at the future.

one of these days omniweb and/or chimera will get their acts together and then we will have a browser that looks good, is fast, and renders pages correctly... until then i am forced to ignore looks and go for speed and functionality rather than the good looks that omniweb goes for.
 
Re: Re: OW working well.

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon

one of these days omniweb and/or chimera will get their acts together and then we will have a browser that looks good, is fast, and renders pages correctly... until then i am forced to ignore looks and go for speed and functionality rather than the good looks that omniweb goes for.
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Just curious, how do you think OW sneakypeeks compare to Netscape in rendering speed? I find them almost as fast as Netscape--just a tad bit slower. IE definitely lags both.

Matthew
 
Re: Re: Re: OW working well.

Originally posted by mrtrumbe


Just curious, how do you think OW sneakypeeks compare to Netscape in rendering speed? I find them almost as fast as Netscape--just a tad bit slower. IE definitely lags both.

Matthew
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well i wasnt going to say anything ebcause im trying to be more positive lately but since you asked...

i dont compare omniweb to netscape since its an old version of mozilla (.94 i think someone here said?) and it is also slowed down but a bunch of aol crap. so i compare it to the latest Mozilla .99. Omniweb isnt even in the same class as Mozilla (and mozilla now will be netscape later if you are pushing that comparison). After using Mozilla exclusively for some time i cant even tell the difference between the latest sneakypeek and ie. they are both just so much slower.

i think omniweb has a LONG way to go before it can compare itself to the big boys. as of now its slow and it renders pages incorrectly. although i want a good looking browser i wont sacrifice functionality. with mozilla's osx look now im not so disgusted with it anymore. i can live without antialiasing until chimera comes out with version .2, and when that happens chimera will be ahead of omniweb when chimera is barely 2 months old.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: OW working well.

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
well i wasnt going to say anything ebcause im trying to be more positive lately but since you asked...

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After using Mozilla exclusively for some time i cant even tell the difference between the latest sneakypeek and ie. they are both just so much slower.

i think omniweb has a LONG way to go before it can compare itself to the big boys. as of now its slow and it renders pages incorrectly.

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I downloaded Mozilla last night and I have to admit it is blazingly fast in rendering. Much faster than IE, OW or Netscape 6.2. However, I still think bandwidth is what is slowing me down the most (even with DSL). Also, I find Mozilla slower in other operations--like downloading inline images from thrid party sites, navigating using back and forward, and GUI operations in general--are slow enough to make the overall speed of Mozilla only a little bit faster than OW overall.

I think I'm going to try using Mozilla more. It seems to be a great browser.

In regards to the incorrect rendering of pages by OW, I don't have many troubles. Any troubles I do have are related to CSS and Javascript and most browsers don't get these right anyway. I would say that it renders over 95% of pages correctly in my experience. Also, Mozilla rendered some pages incorrectly in my short time using it last night. Minor asthetic stuff, but not correctly, nonetheless.

For me, the browser war is still on. And AmbitiousLemon, don't try too hard to be positive...you usually add some spark to this site!

Anyone know where I can get the Aqua theme for Mozilla? I can't find it except for references to it all over the web. No downloads...

Matthew
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OW working well.

Originally posted by mrtrumbe

Anyone know where I can get the Aqua theme for Mozilla? I can't find it except for references to it all over the web. No downloads...

Matthew
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http://homepage.mac.com/kgerich/pinstripe.html

the new one just came out today. you need mozilla .99+ and yes it also works in the Mach-O builds.

i found mozilla A LOT faster after using pinstripe.
 
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