On BlackBerry 10s 1st anniversary, BlackBerry’s U.S. market share hits 0%

[Lloydbm41]

Blackberry is not abandoning the consumer market.

Instead of 6 devices for this year, they now plan 2 premium and 1 low cost phone.

The premium will be handled by BlackBerry, the low cost by Foxconn.

Blackberry is not abandoning the market, this is true. They are still trying. Unfortunately, the market is abandoning Blackberry and there hasn't been much BB can do about it.

The first major problem was Blackberry having their heads so far up their own a@@@es that they thought people would pay iPhone prices for the BB10 devices. Dumbest move they could have made and pretty much nailed their own coffin shut.

 

[iLog.Genius]

Picked up a Z10 for $150 off craigslist and have to say, it's a pretty solid device. For people complaining about gestures, I just have to laugh. There are about only 3 gestures you really need to know to use the device, swipe up from bottom bezel, swipe down from top bezel and swipe up to the right from bottom bezel. Don't exactly know how hard that is to remember.

I find it extremely hilarious people complain about this because Apple is starting to implement gestures in iOS now too and they do the same thing. Before that, people were downloading tweaks like Zephyr to do the exact same thing. Now when I read message boards, people are saying how it's so natural to use gestures instead of having a back button like Android.

Any sensible and logical consumer can tell you that BlackBerry 10, iOS and Android are pretty much the same in the general sense, it's what you're specifically looking for in a device. You want apps, go iOS. You want flexibility go Android. You want core functionality/keyboard go BlackBerry. I could easily jump to any platform on any given day without thinking I bought the wrong device.

 

[FFR]

Picked up a Z10 for $150 off craigslist and have to say, it's a pretty solid device. For people complaining about gestures, I just have to laugh. There are about only 3 gestures you really need to know to use the device, swipe up from bottom bezel, swipe down from top bezel and swipe up to the right from bottom bezel. Don't exactly know how hard that is to remember.

I find it extremely hilarious people complain about this because Apple is starting to implement gestures in iOS now too and they do the same thing. Before that, people were downloading tweaks like Zephyr to do the exact same thing. Now when I read message boards, people are saying how it's so natural to use gestures instead of having a back button like Android.

Any sensible and logical consumer can tell you that BlackBerry 10, iOS and Android are pretty much the same in the general sense, it's what you're specifically looking for in a device. You want apps, go iOS. You want flexibility go Android. You want core functionality/keyboard go BlackBerry. I could easily jump to any platform on any given day without thinking I bought the wrong device.

I remember when consumers did the same with the palm pre and palm pixi. Those that bought it said the same, we all know how that ended, to each there own.

Ps: you overpaid by $70.

 

[cube]

He did not overpay. The regular price for that phone new these days is about $300.

 

[FFR]

He did not overpay. The regular price for that phone new these days is about $300.

For the z10, overpriced is anything over $70, it's a pos, responsible for blackberry's demise (the playbook helped but Heins and the z10 drove the knife into BB's back).

I will take a pic of the Jakarta tommorow and post it just for you cube

 

[2298754]

For the z10, overpriced is anything over $70, it's a pos, responsible for blackberry's demise (the playbook helped but Heins and the z10 drove the knife into BB's back).

Yup, it's an overpriced pile of crap. I've seen basically new ones for about $100 on CL around here.

 

[FFR]

Yup, it's an overpriced pile of crap. I've seen basically new ones for about $100 on CL around here.

Yup just like palm, towards the end.
Perhaps Qualcomm will buy bb10 as well.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I remember when consumers did the same with the palm pre and palm pixi. Those that bought it said the same, we all know how that ended, to each there own.

Ps: you overpaid by $70.

Totally different situation. The problem with BlackBerry and Palm was that they didn't want to commit to a full touchscreen. People were fooling themselves thinking they were the same as whatever iPhone was out at the time, but how could it be the same when you still had a keyboard?

Today's smartphone landscape is a lot more mature now and the the full touchscreen smartphone has been established for years where everyone is complaining that company A is copying company B and is copying company C. So the basis of a touchscreen phone today is the same for all companies, it's just what you're looking for as I stated above. If you're still denying that, then you have your own bias or have a strong opinion that I'm not going to try to argue. There's nothing a BlackBerry can't do, that an iPhone or Galaxy can and vice versa. One might have more apps than the others (iPhone) and one might be a lot more mod-friendly (Android) than the other but they all do the same thing.

Today's touchscreen smartphone is a lot like BMW 3-Series vs. Audi A4 vs. Mercedes C-Class. You would have to be extremely blind or bias not to see that the current generation of all 3 brands are basically the same, there are no large differences like in the past where you could say one brand (BMW) was clearly superior in the segment to the others.

 

[thecurryman]

Wow the bias in this thread is hilarious...

I have the Q10, iP5s, and Nexus 5 (and have owned plenty of other phones like Gs4, GN3, LG G2, etc..)

All i can say is that the Q10 on 10.2.1 is easily the best phone of the three
To those saying its an overpriced pile of crap...LOL thats exactly what people called android and look how successful it is now?

Blackberrys problem is very well known, they took to long to adapt to the competition and its the reason for the mess they're in now.
Heck, BB10 at least shows battery percentage and stock android cant even do that so please stop trying to pass one off as better than another.

Also, with 10.2.1, i can download android apps and install them without having to side-load or use a computer, everything is done on the phone.

My 5s? I have to jail break that to even come close to the usability offered by android/bb10...

Im not saying bb10 is better than ios or android...its not, but its pretty darn close. If they can somehow get a better app store, and make a low cost device (like less than $100 new) then they might have a chance to make a comeback. Also, quite a few people like the physical keyboard which I personally love! Its what makes my N5 and iP5s collect dust on the table.

 

[FFR]

Totally different situation. The problem with BlackBerry and Palm was that they didn't want to commit to a full touchscreen. People were fooling themselves thinking they were the same as whatever iPhone was out at the time, but how could it be the same when you still had a keyboard?

Today's smartphone landscape is a lot more mature now and the the full touchscreen smartphone has been established for years where everyone is complaining that company A is copying company B and is copying company C. So the basis of a touchscreen phone today is the same for all companies, it's just what you're looking for as I stated above. If you're still denying that, then you have your own bias or have a strong opinion that I'm not going to try to argue. There's nothing a BlackBerry can't do, that an iPhone or Galaxy can and vice versa. One might have more apps than the others (iPhone) and one might be a lot more mod-friendly (Android) than the other but they all do the same thing.

Today's touchscreen smartphone is a lot like BMW 3-Series vs. Audi A4 vs. Mercedes C-Class. You would have to be extremely blind or bias not to see that the current generation of all 3 brands are basically the same, there are no large differences like in the past where you could say one brand (BMW) was clearly superior in the segment to the others.

Both sold at fire sale prices.
The only difference is palm was bought, blackberry wasn't (not for a lack of trying).

 

[iLog.Genius]

Wow the bias in this thread is hilarious...

I have the Q10, iP5s, and Nexus 5 (and have owned plenty of other phones like Gs4, GN3, LG G2, etc..)

All i can say is that the Q10 on 10.2.1 is easily the best phone of the three
To those saying its an overpriced pile of crap...LOL thats exactly what people called android and look how successful it is now?

Blackberrys problem is very well known, they took to long to adapt to the competition and its the reason for the mess they're in now.
Heck, BB10 at least shows battery percentage and stock android cant even do that so please stop trying to pass one off as better than another.

Also, with 10.2.1, i can download android apps and install them without having to side-load or use a computer, everything is done on the phone.

My 5s? I have to jail break that to even come close to the usability offered by android/bb10...

Im not saying bb10 is better than ios or android...its not, but its pretty darn close. If they can somehow get a better app store, and make a low cost device (like less than $100 new) then they might have a chance to make a comeback. Also, quite a few people like the physical keyboard which I personally love! Its what makes my N5 and iP5s collect dust on the table.

I agree. I get that people aren't going to like a phone for whatever reason but to say it's a POS or whatever is laughable. If someone were to compared BBOS 7 to Android, iOS, yeah, it's a POS/crap but with all three having touchscreen-based OS's, the differences aren't that big.

I'm not going to convince someone or try to sway feelings over a phone but I'm curious as to why people say x Brand is a POS and having no apps or crashes aren't valid because all three phones/brands have the same problem in one way or the other.

 

[FFR]

I agree. I get that people aren't going to like a phone for whatever reason but to say it's a POS or whatever is laughable. If someone were to compared BBOS 7 to Android, iOS, yeah, it's a POS/crap but with all three having touchscreen-based OS's, the differences aren't that big.



I'm not going to convince someone or try to sway feelings over a phone but I'm curious as to why people say x Brand is a POS and having no apps or crashes aren't valid because all three phones/brands have the same problem in one way or the other.

You claim bb os 7 to be a pos, yet it still manages to sell 3:1 over bb10 which you claim isn't a pos.


Even Chen admitted today that the q10 sales didn't meet expectation hence announcing the q20 will bring back the buttons compromising of a belt that was featured on the old devices. An admission that gestures on bb10 doesn't work.

Enjoy your device but you get what you pay for... Or lack there of.

 

[iLog.Genius]

You claim bb os 7 to be a pos, yet it still manages to sell 3:1 over bb10 which you claim isn't a pos.


Even Chen admitted today that the q10 sales didn't meet expectation hence announcing the q20 will bring back the buttons compromising of a belt that was featured on the old devices. An admission that gestures on bb10 doesn't work.

Enjoy your device but you get what you pay for... Or lack there of.

Of course BBOS 7 outsold BB10. It's what people were already comfortable with and at the time when BlackBerry 10 was released, Android and iOS were already established. That doesn't mean Z10 or Z30 isn't a good phone. I use an iPhone 5S right now and I could switch over to the Z10 I got for cheap for a while and not miss a beat aside from not having apps. Again, tell me what a Z10 or Z30 can't do that an iPhone can without mentioning apps. Maybe you're a superuser of smartphones and I'm just an average user and I'm not using my phones to their full potential.

BBOS 7 is a "POS" if you're comparing it to iOS and Android because the functionality isn't even close but as a messaging powerhouse, nothing even comes close to it.

 

[thecurryman]

You claim bb os 7 to be a pos, yet it still manages to sell 3:1 over bb10 which you claim isn't a pos.


Even Chen admitted today that the q10 sales didn't meet expectation hence announcing the q20 will bring back the buttons compromising of a belt that was featured on the old devices. An admission that gestures on bb10 doesn't work.

Enjoy your device but you get what you pay for... Or lack there of.

it sells at a higher rate because its a lot cheaper for a bbos7 vs bb10 phone...

like i said, if bb10 came out with a sub $150 phone like nokia did, they might have a chance to come back

 

[FFR]

it sells at a higher rate because its a lot cheaper for a bbos7 vs bb10 phone...



like i said, if bb10 came out with a sub $150 phone like nokia did, they might have a chance to come back

That's a myth. People buy what they want bb failed epically because no body wanted bb10 devices.

You do realize blackberry didn't have the economy of scale to have released a sub $200 phone. They didn't have the bank to subsidize it ala Microsoft or Samsung either. Might have as well suggested blackberry deliver the sub $200 phones on as unicorn.
Even with the z3 they are only launching it in Indonesia, there is a reason.

 

[FFR]

Of course BBOS 7 outsold BB10. It's what people were already comfortable with and at the time when BlackBerry 10 was released, Android and iOS were already established. That doesn't mean Z10 or Z30 isn't a good phone. I use an iPhone 5S right now and I could switch over to the Z10 I got for cheap for a while and not miss a beat aside from not having apps. Again, tell me what a Z10 or Z30 can't do that an iPhone can without mentioning apps. Maybe you're a superuser of smartphones and I'm just an average user and I'm not using my phones to their full potential.



BBOS 7 is a "POS" if you're comparing it to iOS and Android because the functionality isn't even close but as a messaging powerhouse, nothing even comes close to it.

Your making no sense.
People weren't comfortable with legacy bbos, they switched to iOS and android in droves. Hell the rumour here at mwc is that blackberry has only about 18 million legacy subscribers left (and that's the highest figure I heard, low estimates were around 12 million from 80 million!!!). There was a reason they announcement today was in a tiny room compared to Samsung or Nokia.

Regarding the apps, they are what brings added functionality to the phone. To disregard them well that's the same myopic error bb had/has committed. I could list touch id, iCloud, iTunes, 64 bit architecture, m7 chip, one of the best cameras on a phone and iMessages as a friction point to humor you, I could go on but there is a reason apple has the HIGHEST RETENTION rates in the industry.

Again congratulation on your cheap phone but the correlation between bb and palm are deafening. Just visit a pre forum and you will witness them eschew exactly what you are trying to convey.

 

[iLog.Genius]

iMessage, iTunes, TouchID are things that it does better than the competition? 64-bit chips that really don't provide any benefits today, instead it's there to build for the future?

iMessage is not even near the top of the top IM's out there. Most people still despise iTunes. TouchID doesn't even read your fingerprint on first try sometimes, you have to attempt many times before it even reads and by then I might as well type in my passcode. Why don't you mention the iPhone chassis while you're at it too.

All you did were lists bells and whistles, NONE of which make it better than the competition. You could take those away and you wouldn't think any less of the iPhone. I don't know anyone that says "I'm going to buy the iPhone 5S because of TouchID and 64-bit A7 chip!"

Those are good additions, but not critical which is exactly my point. Smartphones today are all about adding things here because the basics have been set. You think I'm crying over the fact that the Z10 I got doesn't have TouchID and doesn't have iTunes to sync? Laughable.

Just because my car doesn't have heated mirrors and LED lights doesn't mean it's a POS.