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Achillias

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If there’s a singular trend to point to for phones in 2018, it’s the effort to cram as much screen into a device as possible. Oppo’s new Find X, which is being officially announced in Paris today, combines a number of trendy design ideas, plus some even newer tricks, to fit an extremely large 6.4-inch display into a phone that you can still hold in one hand. The Find X’s design is so space efficient that Oppo claims it has a screen to body ratio of 92.25 percent. And it does this without utilizing a notch, which should make at least some people happy.

The most interesting aspect of the Find X’s design is its camera system, which is completely hidden when the phone is off or the camera app is closed. When you turn the Find X on and open the camera app, the entire top section of the phone motorizes up and reveals a 25-megapixel front-facing camera, 3D facial scanning system, and 16-megapixel + 20-megapixel dual rear camera. Close the camera app and the whole assembly motors back into the phone’s chassis. Oppo says the camera can open in just 0.5 seconds, and based on my experience, that seems fairly accurate.

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Otherwise, the Find X looks very similar to a Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus, thanks to its curved sides and rounded corners. Its display is a vibrant OLED panel with 1080 pixel wide resolution, and both the front and back of the phone feature curved glass.

This combination of hideaway camera system and a curved screen is what enables Oppo to have the screen reach the very upper edge of the phone, without cutting a notch into it to make room for the front camera. It’s not the first phone to do this — just last week Vivo announced the notch-less Nex, which has a pop-up front camera — but Oppo is unique in that it’s utilizing this system for both the front and rear cameras. It also means there’s no camera bump at all on the back of the phone, so it sits flush on a table and doesn’t rock awkwardly.

The Find X does not have any sort of fingerprint authentication system, whether a traditional scanning pad or an under-screen system like the Nex. Instead, the phone uses a 3D facial scanner, housed in that pop-up camera assembly, for biometric authentication. Turn the phone on, swipe up on the lock screen, and the top of the phone will motor up, authenticate your face, and unlock the phone. It does this all shockingly quickly on the pre-production device I spent time with — fast enough that it doesn’t feel like it will impede use of the device in my day-to-day.

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Aside from its unique design, the Find X has all of the things you’d expect from a high-end Android phone in mid-2018. It uses Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 845 processor, has 8GB of RAM, and offers up to 256GB of storage. It has a 3,730mAh battery with Oppo’s VOOC fast wired charging that’s similar to OnePlus’ Dash Charge. The Find X is a dual-SIM phone that’s also globally compatible — I was able to use a T-Mobile SIM in the demo unit to grab an LTE signal in New York City.

For software, the Find X is running Android 8.1 Oreo with Oppo’s Color OS customizations. Color OS borrows a lot of ideas from iOS and Samsung’s spin on Android, which makes for an interesting combination. It won’t be familiar to anyone used to a Pixel device, but it’s not the worst Android interface I’ve used.

Global LTE compatibility is important because Oppo says this will be its first phone sold in North America and Europe. Prior to this, Oppo phones were limited to China, India, the Philippines, and a few other Asian countries. Oppo is expected to announce specific pricing and carrier information for North America and Europe soon, and we will update this article when it’s available.

The Find X will be available to order in China starting today, and it should cost less than other comparably equipped Android smartphones.

Are motorized camera assemblies the key to a notch-free future? I’m not so sure, there are new compromises to make with the Find X, such as a lack of water resistance and a motorized system that is more susceptible to damage. But it’s certainly an interesting approach, and the Find X shows it can be executed in a surprisingly functional way.

[doublepost=1529402198][/doublepost]Going to get released in the US and Europe. Lol the notched iPhone X looks so outdated now.

Well done Oppo and Vivo.
 

Ralfi

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I came here to post that exact YT vid which just appeared in my feed. :D

Very interesting way to expose the cameras, but I think they really needed an in-screen fingerprint reader so that the motorised camera didn't need to pop up every time for logging in.... that's going to be moving a LOT of times during the day & long term reliability becomes questionable.

The issue the host mentioned with using a case may not be as big a deal (in terms of not interfering with the popup cameras) as there are cases (like the Apple Silicone/Leather) that leave a whole edge open...so the camera edge will have to be exposed, which for me isn't an issue.
 

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I'm impressed by how quickly the camera pops out and authenticates but at the same time I am concerned how bad the battery drain is from running the motor and how well it will run in a year or two when you have some dust collecting there etc.

It's an incredibly overengineered solution to a problem nobody had. I don't see anybody complaining about having a bit of extra height on a Note 8 or S9 to house the front camera etc.
 

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The pop-up camera is an interesting idea that I'm opened to. Selfies aren't as often used, so I'd take a well done pop up camera for a truly all screen display since the screen is something you use every single time.

What I'm really hoping for is that camera sensors and speaker technology advances so that bezels can be thin enough without the need for a pop up solution. The S10 rumors of a vibrating screen to emit sound, for example, sound promising.

Anything but a notch, which buys you very little extra screen. So little, it's not worth a notch at all.
 
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I think it's innovative but also over-engineered too. Yes that is probably hypocritical, but i have concerns about the motor lasting a good period of time without problems occurring or even how you would make that phone be able to use a case for drop protection etc. I worry too about what happens if the camera is activated while in your front pocket by accident but theres not enough room to open fully. Thats gonna cause motor burn out eventually.

Anyway it's good to see devices like these as it pushes others forward.
 
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Remember slide out keyboards? If they can get a mechanism that big to move pretty smoothly and last decently well, I would hope they could do the same for these pop up cameras.
 
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Remember slide out keyboards? If they can get a mechanism that big to move pretty smoothly and last decently well, I would hope they could do the same for these pop up cameras.

Yeah but slide out keyboards didn't rely on a motor to actuate them. You cannot manually activate this camera. Also, if the keyboard can no longer slide out, I could use an on screen keyboard. That slide mechanism on the Find X fails and I no longer have cameras.

While I definitely appreciate OEMs thinking outside the box, like others have mentioned, this seems to be a very over engineered solution that presents a lot of risk of loss of functionality and protection all for the sake of elimination of a few mm of bezel.

If choosing between the Vivo Nex or the Oppo Find X, I'd take the Vivo without hesitation. No annoying curved edges, an in-screen fingerprint reader and only loss of the selfie camera if the pop up motor fails. Also, ability to have a case that covers much more of the phone.
 
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Anything but a notch, which buys you very little extra screen. So little, it's not worth a notch at all.

The notch actually resulted in almost an inch of extra usable screen area for those going from an iPhone 6S (4.7") to an X (~5.65").

Very much worth the notch for many.

I am so glad some phone makers have chosen to think outside the box and not include the dreaded notch!

There's a member in the iPhone section who loves to point out how much they loathe the iPhone camera bump. It's like a personal mission to type it ad nauseam every chance they get.

Can you understand how annoying that would be? :rolleyes:
 

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The notch actually resulted in almost an inch of extra usable screen area for those going from an iPhone 6S (4.7") to an X (~5.65").

Very much worth the notch for many.

The 6S doesn't have a notch.

What I'm speaking to is how people justify the notch because it gives you more screen space (pushing up the notification icons into the "ears"). I'm arguing that little extra space you get between a slim bezel versus pushing the screen into the ears isn't worth it. Especially because full screen apps slide away the notification bar anyway on Android. If I'm not mistaken, full screen mode on an Android device with a notch simply blacks out the split notification bar. That ends up being the same thing as a device with a balanced and slim bezel.

Also, the other thing that bothers me is that you actually lose screen space for the notification bar itself, which means potentially losing information like the battery percentage and showing less notification icons.

I don't think notches are worth it.
 
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I certainly understand the feeling of disdain many have for the notch. Its certainly not a visually elegant design and of course I'd prefer not having one. But for me personally, I'll take it over needed a larger phone or solutions like this pop up as these designs are introducing either functional compromises or significant added risk all for the sake of a tiny amount of bezel.

I want edge to edge but not with the compromises being proposed so far. I think Samsung's latest designs (minus the curved edges ;))--very slim chin and forehead are the perfect balance until we can get there. Just my opinion of course.
 

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Yeah but slide out keyboards didn't rely on a motor to actuate them. You cannot manually activate this camera. Also, if the keyboard can no longer slide out, I could use an in screen keyboard. That slide mechanism on the Find X fails and I no longer have cameras.

While I definitely appreciate OEMs thinking outside the box, like others have mentioned, this seems to be a very over engineered solution that presents a lot of risk of loss of functionality and protection all for the sake of elimination of a few mm of bezel.

If choosing between the Vivo Nex or the Oppo Find X, I'd take the Vivo without hesitation. No annoying curved edges, an in-screen fingerprint reader and only loss of the selfie camera if the pop up motor fails. Also, ability to have a case that covers much more of the phone.
Same here.... I really like the Vivo Nex....hopefully other phone makers can get on the bandwagon so to speak and emulate that design.
 

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I certainly understand the feeling of disdain many have for the notch. Its certainly not a visually elegant design and of course I'd prefer not having one. But for me personally, I'll take it over needed a larger phone or solutions like this pop up as these designs are introducing either functional compromises or significant added risk all for the sake of a tiny amount of bezel.

I want edge to edge but not with the compromises being proposed so far. I think Samsung's latest designs (minus the curved edges ;))--very slim chin and forehead are the perfect balance until we can get there. Just my opinion of course.


I think Samsung's implementation is the best currently, too. If they can further push those bezels with smaller camera sensors and get audio through vibration through the screen, that could be interesting. I don't mind a little bezel top/bottom. Just keep them balanced and slim.

As for the edges, we differ there. Samsung has been refining and refining the edges year after year and I think it gets better with each iteration. No false palm presses and less distortion than ever (though this never really bothered me. I never notice it). All for an incredibly sleek looking and ergonomic device. I also love how the edges make the content on my S9+ screen "pop."

But again, like others have said, it's interesting to see OEMs come up with their own solutions. I prefer Samsung's current iteration, but I'm open to the idea of pop-ups.



[doublepost=1529423541][/doublepost]I did not realize the Oppo puts the back camera in the slide-out module, too. That's kind of a bad idea.

I think the Vivo's tiny pop-up front camera is a better implementation than Oppo's full-deck pop out.
 
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The 6S doesn't have a notch.

Yeah, & by going from big bezels to no bezels, a lot of screen space was achieved.

It's a subjective thing. I don't want to repeat why it works for me, because I'm not here to change people's minds & it'd be off topic...it all depends where you're coming from & how you use your phone. A notch will work in a broad variety of ways; from very significant to none.
 

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Yeah, & by going from big bezels to no bezels, a lot of screen space was achieved.
Not exactly...it was the aspect ratio that gives the X an 5.8 display because it is taller. The 6s Plus (and 8 Plus as well) has more display area because of the aspect ratio it uses. The 6s plus and 8 plus have more display surface because of the aspect ratio.
 

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Yeah, & by going from big bezels to no bezels, a lot of screen space was achieved.

It's a subjective thing. I don't want to repeat why it works for me, because I'm not here to change people's minds & it'd be off topic...it all depends where you're coming from & how you use your phone. A notch will work in a broad variety of ways; from very significant to none.

I think you misunderstood my post.

The small difference I'm talking about is between the ears of the notch and a device that just had a straight bezel where the notch would end. So for example, in the iPhone X , if Apple had designed it so that the bezel is where the notch is now, that little extra screen for the ears isn't a big difference than if there were no ears. The argument being that the extra little space just to tuck the status bar icons into it isn't worth a notch. This becomes even more true with Android devices.

No one is trying to convince you of anything. Just that it's odd to compare the 6S to the iPhone X when that's not the difference I'm talking about. Of course going from the 6S or the 7 or the 8 to the iPhone X will get you almost an inch more space -- they're completely different designs. I'm not arguing for the bezels of the iPhone 6S era! I'm talking about if Apple had designed the X without the ears, you wouldn't have lost that much usable screen.

And worse, with the notch, you ironically lose screen space for the notification bar icons (missing battery percentage, for example, in iOS).
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Not exactly...it was the aspect ratio that gives the X an 5.8 display because it is taller. The 6s Plus (and 8 Plus as well) has more display area because of the aspect ratio it uses. The 6s plus and 8 plus have more display surface because of the aspect ratio.


Basically, the 6S bezels has nothing to do with what I was talking about in regards to gaining screen space between ears or no ears in the iPhone X design.
 
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I like this but without the motors. If they can make a slide out function that's manual I would take it. Sliding up the camera automatically opens the camera app. I don't want to deal with an extra motor in my phone.
 

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I don't care about the sliding up mechanism. This phone looks unbelievable and according to Oppo you could use it for a very long time. The price on the other hand is ridiculous. Not worth it to pay €999 euro, but the thing with Android is, phone's will be much cheaper than that. Might get one if it reach €750 or lower.
 
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Achillias

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Are you seriously saying there is no innovation. I think you should look in to something else instead of smartphones if you don't see it .
 

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More moving parts = higher chances of breaking, especially for a device that will be used a lot during its life. Plus at that price for an Oppo? LOL.
On the other hand, Oppo/Vivo are well known to push marketing to the max, with endorsements from Hollywood stars, etc. This is definitely a marketing strategy to get the brands out to the western countries.
 
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