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os 4.0 introduction event??

Elzlaik said:
I've wondered recently whether Apple WILL debut a 4.0 update at all this year. iPhones still haven't received 3.2, which could possibly come with many of the features given to the iPad: wallpapers, 3D dock, iBooks, bluetooth keyboard sync, refined photo app, etc. What could Apple add (short of multi-tasking or yucky-flash) that could justify a full software integer increase? I wonder if they might keep 3.0 going for another few months (or a year), adding the iPad updates to the iPhone and a few other minor changes as time progresses and release 4.0 next Winter/Spring? Though I believe Apple like having a fresh OS update each year alongside the hardware refresh.

Of course this isn't what I want ... it's more of a fear :apple:
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iPhone OS 4.0 has been showing up in website logs for a month now. I'm fairly certain it will come out on the new iPhone in July.
 
vizkiz said:
iPhone OS 4.0 has been showing up in website logs for a month now. I'm fairly certain it will come out on the new iPhone in July.
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x2. Since this next iPhone will be an A+ update per Steve Jobs. Would be nice if we do get a OS 4.0 preview sometime in March, and I think it will happen in order to give dev time to make their apps 4.0 compatible.
 
jail breaking is completely safe unless ur an idiot all my iphones have been jail broken then i got the 3gs and was going to jailbreak it but by accident upgraded and now i cant. but the things the os doesn't have jail breaking offers ive had problems with jail breaking but it wasn't anything i couldn't fix in less than five min. so there!

but now i cant wait for the new os yey!
 
I'm kind of confused by Apple right now, but they have been known to do this in the past lol.

They just introduced the iPad with 3.2 and devs will be spending a LOT of time getting apps formatted for the screen and coming up with new ones etc. So in a few weeks, they come out with OS 4.0 and have it running on iPhone and iPad, does that mean the devs would have to re-adjust their apps? Unless it won't be a big deal to have current apps run in 4.0.

I just don't get it... will they keep 3.2 on iPad and have 4.0 on iPhone?

I'm ready for a refresh to the OS and multi-tasking is a MUST.
 
i think the main thing to remember is since 4.0 is being so hyped up...much more so then 3.0 was, it must take into consideration many of the new techniques which some of the iphone copies can do. i would look at the samsung, htc and google phones and take note of what they can do that iphone can not, and then look for those and more to be part of the 4.0 upgrade....which promises to be quite a hefty upgrade. i do not look forward to download times on the day that bad boy is released...
 
On a similar note, this is the one that I wouldn't really compare Apple's past behaviors to future stuff. This is really the first time they've sort of been under the hot-seat, so I think this is a different completely ball game compared to past updates.
 
VSMacOne said:
I'm kind of confused by Apple right now, but they have been known to do this in the past lol.

They just introduced the iPad with 3.2 and devs will be spending a LOT of time getting apps formatted for the screen and coming up with new ones etc. So in a few weeks, they come out with OS 4.0 and have it running on iPhone and iPad, does that mean the devs would have to re-adjust their apps? Unless it won't be a big deal to have current apps run in 4.0.
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3.2 was created to allow developers to build iPad applications.
I don't think we will ever see 3.2 for iPhone.

Developers don't have to adjust their apps for a new OS. If the OS is working properly, the older apps just keep on working. Developers only need to change their code if they want to take advantage of *new* features.

So iPad developers will be creating applications under 3.2. Those apps should work fine when 4.0 is released.

C.
 
Carniphage said:
3.2 was created to allow developers to build iPad applications.
I don't think we will ever see 3.2 for iPhone.

Developers don't have to adjust their apps for a new OS. If the OS is working properly, the older apps just keep on working. Developers only need to change their code if they want to take advantage of *new* features.

So iPad developers will be creating applications under 3.2. Those apps should work fine when 4.0 is released.

C.
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I thought that iPhone OS 4.0 was given to developers at the iPad coming out party so that devs could make sure thier iPone apps would also work on the iPad, and was going to be made available when the iPad finally ships......
 
I know that its a horrible thought but...all the logical thinking (rather than "evidence" - evidence which said that they would release OS 4.0 at their Jan event) says that there won't be a 4.0 update. Theyve just released a 3.2 SDK...and you really think that a few weeks later they will release a 4.0 SDK? The developers need the few months to work on apps for 4.0, so the SDK has to come out in March if the update is to come out in June. It just seems unlikely.

It also seems foolish to me...with all these new HTC phones coming out soon and Android becoming better and better, not to release something with multitasking and a notifications manager is a bit of a risk. Perhaps they are getting around this by just sueing HTC like mad...

Also, we all know that the iPad is a pile of crap...it doesnt actually DO anything - its just an iPod with a big screen- id actually laugh at anyone that bought one - its a risky front-line product for 2010.

Dont get me wrong, i love my iPhone but only because I can jailbreak it atm.

Anyway fingers crossed for 4.0 - but i dont think it will happen :(
 
Oh and it isnt just mutitasking - in my opinion its even more appalling that the iPhone can only really manage one notification each time you put it in and out of your pocket...that system needs an overhaul.
 
Mr. Gates said:
Pshh , overheating , poor battery life made worse , crashing and freezing , conflicts that simply have not been tested. Worse yet it could just turn into a brick.

No problems :rolleyes:

Please
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It's impossible - I'll repeat that - IT'S IMPOSSIBLE to brick your iPhone with the jailbreaking tools made available by the iPhone Dev team. Period. the fellow who wrote Cydia confirms this.

If people thought it was a brick those are the people that can screw up a genuine firmware flash and then didn't try to fix it.

All of the other issues you list ARE NOT the direct result of jailbreaking, they are the result of apps installed after jailbreaking that behave badly. I can agree that jailbreaking facilitates the negative effect you list, but it is not inherently the cause of any of them...
 
Android has caught up. To hold on to market share, Apple needs to blow thw doors off in this next update. It's time to break out the big guns.
 
NJMetsHero said:
Android has caught up. To hold on to market share, Apple needs to blow thw doors off in this next update. It's time to break out the big guns.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Android has really caught up yet, but they are getting close. If Apple can't fix some of the major issues in the iPhone by the time for this next iPhone, I really hope they start losing customers. Apple knows about the complaints we have, but how much do you think they care when they are continuing to have enormous growth in sales? To tell you the truth, I hope Apple drops the ball this year and I truly hope people leave the iPhone for Android or other platforms. Unfortunately there are so many fan boys that will buy anything Apple because they think its the hip thing to do. I hate when people say "Apple tells us what we like." We can thank our lack of updates to them.

Just so nobody here gets the wrong idea. I do own an iPhone and I do like it. I'm just tired of having to jailbreak my phone to get it to do simple things that every other phone can do.
 
Time is running out for Apple. iPhone OS is a bit oldie compared with modern Android with multitasking, integrated IM, and so on.

I don't expect Apple to be more fair with the App Store, but they'd better begin movin with 4.0 because there are many android mobiles out there, for now, none of them can face iphone, but it's a matter of time if Apple doesn't do another big jump, as iPhone 1G was
 
robj said:
Time is running out for Apple. iPhone OS is a bit oldie compared with modern Android with multitasking, integrated IM, and so on.
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I think this is an-over pessimistic viewpoint.
The iPhone has made Apple the most profitable cellphone manufacturer in the world. With just one product.

There is a very large gulf between what the dark armies of geekdom demand from a mobile device, and what regular consumers want. Apple's success did not come from listening to forums and technically literate individuals. It came from rejecting their advice and creating an uncompromisingly simple consumer product.

Apple has a substantial head-start, both technically and commercially over the rival device makers.

But that said, I agree that Apple has to innovate to maintain that advantage.

My guess is that 4.0 will be quite a major upgrade. But the change needs to be in the direction of simpler / faster / more immediate. And not in the direction of Android.

C.
 
Some of you guys need to remember that we on these forums are mostly much geekier than your average consumer.

Other platforms may be catching up or over taking when it comes to the bleedin edge but I have yet to see another smart Phone that would let my Technically un-savy mother or girlfriend accomplish as much as the iphone does.

Apple's Unique Selling Point has always been the whole "ease of use / it just works" thing.

Apple have always been a company that make the latest technology as easy and fun to use as possible. Thats why they invented the mouse all those years ago. People seem to forget this.
 
ARF900 said:
I agree Apple must do a complete OS refresh because as of now these new android superphones have the iphone beat in every aspect of the game except the appstore, yet iphone sales continue to top android sales, which really says something about the appstore + apples brandname in general. There are people who dont know what droids are, but everyone knows what an iphone is.
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"I agree Apple must do a complete OS refresh because as of now these new android superphones have the iphone beat in every aspect of the game except the appstore"...and performance due to their inelegant 'silent' method of running apps in the background (there's a reason Taskiller is one of the top apps in the Android marketplace), and in simple things like multitouch in the keyboard, and polish in the OS, and gaining developers for such a wide range of devices all running different versions...

Despite what the forums on Engadget may suggest Android is really not there yet in my opinion. I owned a HTC Hero and it was a miserable experience. Granted I've never used a Nexus One, but looking at videos etc. it's not going to tempt me back to Android. For all the iPhone's flaws I'd still say it's the best smartphone out there for pure ease-of-use, polish and reliability.

Saying that though I agree that I would love to see something new in 4.0...but don't hold your breath for multi-tasking.
 
mrboult said:
Some of you guys need to remember that we on these forums are mostly much geekier than your average consumer.

Other platforms may be catching up or over taking when it comes to the bleedin edge but I have yet to see another smart Phone that would let my Technically un-savy mother or girlfriend accomplish as much as the iphone does.

Apple's Unique Selling Point has always been the whole "ease of use / it just works" thing.

Apple have always been a company that make the latest technology as easy and fun to use as possible. Thats why they invented the mouse all those years ago. People seem to forget this.
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Agreed, you never have to tell someone with an iPhone to download a task manager and use it to kill background processes that the OS has left open but hasn't auto-killed yet to regain performance which diminishes with every new app you open, a la some other OS' I could mention...
 
I really pray there's a 4.0 this year but I dunno this whole 3.2 ipad fiasco has me doubting it Now.
 
Carniphage said:
I think this is an-over pessimistic viewpoint.
The iPhone has made Apple the most profitable cellphone manufacturer in the world. With just one product.

There is a very large gulf between what the dark armies of geekdom demand from a mobile device, and what regular consumers want. Apple's success did not come from listening to forums and technically literate individuals. It came from rejecting their advice and creating an uncompromisingly simple consumer product.

Apple has a substantial head-start, both technically and commercially over the rival device makers.

But that said, I agree that Apple has to innovate to maintain that advantage.

My guess is that 4.0 will be quite a major upgrade. But the change needs to be in the direction of simpler / faster / more immediate. And not in the direction of Android.
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mrboult said:
Some of you guys need to remember that we on these forums are mostly much geekier than your average consumer.

Other platforms may be catching up or over taking when it comes to the bleedin edge but I have yet to see another smart Phone that would let my Technically un-savy mother or girlfriend accomplish as much as the iphone does.

Apple's Unique Selling Point has always been the whole "ease of use / it just works" thing.

Apple have always been a company that make the latest technology as easy and fun to use as possible.
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Yes, and hell yes, +10.
The iPhone (for better or worse) has never been about winning the spec war. Nokia's N95 trounced the first-gen iPhone in terms of specifications and software features, as have many phones since.
 
mrboult;9379655 Apple's Unique Selling Point has always been the whole "ease of use / it just works" thing. Apple have always been a company that make the latest technology as easy and fun to use as possible. Thats why they invented the mouse all those years ago. People seem to forget this.[/quote said:
Yep Ease of use / it just works. Can't argue with that. Maybe other companies should limit the OS like the iphone, then theirs would just work.

Tell me, is it so confusing to make multiple playlist on the fly, or delete a podcast on the phone?

AVRCP, I guess that will confuse people

The ablilty to turn wifi/bluetooth on and off Yep much easier leaving an app and tapping through screens then going back to your app

Notifications on the home screen, oh my no. Grandma won't understand she got mail

Invent the mouse? I thought Dr Douglas Engelbart invented the first mouse at Stanford in 1962, and the patent expired in 1987? Could be wrong. If its true then Apple is allot older company than I thought:rolleyes:
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mrboult said:
Other platforms may be catching up or over taking when it comes to the bleedin edge but I have yet to see another smart Phone that would let my Technically un-savy mother or girlfriend accomplish as much as the iphone does.
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i wouldn't say android is difficult to use. my girlfriend is hopeless with computers and technology in general but didn't have any issues setting up her email, wifi, contacts etc etc on the HTC Hero. i couldn't believe it when i asked if she needed a hand with it and she was like "nope, all done thanks" with a smug look on her face. I'd say apple's success is down to marketing and "cool" factor more than anything else. when was the last time you saw an advert showing off android? in the UK i haven't seen one yet.

as for the process thing, maybe some of you should jailbreak and check Processes in SBSettings. just because there are no app managers (apple removed them if i recall?) doesn't mean apps are not leaving things chewing up memory (be it a process or the apps state). why do you think the demanding games all recommend rebooting your phone first? after a reboot i have 160mb free memory, after a days use i can be down to around 60mb... the iphone auto kills and regains performance? really?
 
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