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estabya

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My guess would be that both 10.11 and iOS 9 will be compatible with the same hardware as their predecessors.
 

bobbytomorow

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Nov 10, 2007
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Core 2 Duo's are still very capable CPU's, as long as you have a decent GPU, I think thats what matters more. What is the lowest supported GPU as of now, basically nothing pre-unified shader model is supported any longer? I would say if you have a minimum of Radeon HD 2xxx or GeForce 8xxx you should be fine.
 

bunnspecial

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May 3, 2014
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So what are the official requirements? The same as Yosemite and mavericks?

I've been looking and can't seem to find it yet.

Admittedly, it's not of huge consequence to me since I'm still running 10.9 on everything but the Mid 2009 Macbook that I bought expressly for the purpose of installing(initially) Yosemite Public Beta and now the regular release of Yosemite.

Even so, with the pending release of Office 2016, I'm going to have to start making the switch.

I have to admit that I'll be fairly disappointed if my barely 3 year old Macbook Pro doesn't make the cut for the latest version. I'd like to think that at least my late 2011 13" MBP would make the cut-especially since Apple is still currently selling a machine with very few differences from mine.

And, if it comes down to a GPU limitation, it would be a very hard pill to swallow if the Intel 3000 in my MBP makes the cut, but the 8600M in my early '08 doesn't make the cut. BTW, despite being a C2D, that's still an incredibly capable system that runs Mavericks exceptionally well off an SSD.
 

skoldpadda

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Sep 28, 2010
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Developer Beta System Requirements

The OS X v10.11 Developer Beta supports the following Macs:

  • iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)

  • MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)

  • MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)

  • Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)

  • MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)

  • Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)

  • Xserve (Early 2009)
 

redheeler

macrumors G3
Oct 17, 2014
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Developer Beta System Requirements

The OS X v10.11 Developer Beta supports the following Macs:

  • iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)

  • MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)

  • MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)

  • Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)

  • MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)

  • Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)

  • Xserve (Early 2009)
So, same as Yosemite/Mavericks/Mountain Lion. I had a feeling my late 2008 MacBook Air would be safe :)
 
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bunnspecial

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Thanks for posting the requirements-looks like some fairly old computers are getting spared for another update cycle!

I have a PowerMac G4 running 7 versions of OS X. If I'm counting right, that makes 8 versions for the mid-2007 MBP(10.4-10.11)
 

KALLT

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Sep 23, 2008
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Yes, my 2008 aluminium MacBook seems to be in the game still. I could definitely use the performance improvements. :)
 
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pavelbure

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Ha, my mid 2007 iMac is still in the game. I think I may do a clean install this time. I have a feeling this may be the last upgrade it gets.
 

kiranmk2

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Oct 4, 2008
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Yes, my 2008 aluminium MacBook seems to be in the game still. I could definitely use the performance improvements. :)

I have this model too - now with 4 GB Ram and an SSD - still feels smooth unless Flash causes a slowdown. I suspect the multitouch pad is why this model has survived for so long.
 

MagicHAM

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Sep 2, 2013
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Happy my Early 2009 MacBook is still in the game. For now. :) I know I should really do an upgrade at some point.
 

wizard

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I hope 10.11 has same requirements as previous few OS X versions.

Since Apple has very optimistic minimal System Requirements for Mavericks and Yosemite I am sceptical if they can improve 10.11 enough to work well with oldest supported Mac with minimal hardware.

I am not surprised if Apple decide to drop support for oldest 2007-2008 models since their current policy seems to be forced obsolescent of functional models.

Huh? Apple hasn't force obsolescence of anything. Machines that have become obsolete do so due to hardware or firmware not being able to run the newest technology from Apple.

really you need to take a long hard look at your negativity here.
 
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MagicBoy

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May 28, 2006
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Thanks for posting the requirements-looks like some fairly old computers are getting spared for another update cycle!

I have a PowerMac G4 running 7 versions of OS X. If I'm counting right, that makes 8 versions for the mid-2007 MBP(10.4-10.11)

And 7 for my venerable Mac mini!
 

Zarniwoop

macrumors 65816
Aug 12, 2009
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West coast, Finland
Developer Beta System Requirements

The OS X v10.11 Developer Beta supports the following Macs:

  • iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)

  • MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)

  • MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)

  • Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)

  • MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)

  • Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)

  • Xserve (Early 2009)


Metal,
on the other hand, requires special hardware to run. So to benefit the extra performance will require relatively new hardware. Something that could run openCL. All Apple test were made with Intel Haswell and Broadwell iGPUs.
 
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bunnspecial

macrumors G3
May 3, 2014
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And 7 for my venerable Mac mini!

Depending on how I count, though, I could mention that this particular G4 is running OS X Server 1.2v3(Rhapsody) which isn't the full blow OS X we know and love but does at least share some common underpinnings with OS X. The computer also has OS 9.2.2, so that's a total of 9 OSs on one computer.

I have a B&W that's running 1.2v3, OS X Server 1.0, Rhapsody, and all four OS X DPs. It could theoretically run 6 versions of OS X-public beta through 10.4. It could also run OS 8.5.1 and OS 9.2.2, although I only have 9.2.2 installed on it. I don't know about my upgrade B&W with a G4-it will be running 10.5(when I get around to it) but I don't know if the G4 upgrades kills some Rhapsody compatibility.

When I get my 8600 finished, I think it will be king :) . In stock form, it can run System 7.5.5, OS 8, 8.5, 9, and then PB-10.2. With the G4 upgrade that's now installed in it, I'll be able to install(with some work) everything up to 10.5.

The only ones that really got screwed out of OS upgrades were the late '05 Powerbook G4s and Powermac G5s. These shipped with 10.4(and is the minimum they will run) but can't run anything later than 10.5.8.
 

MagicBoy

macrumors 68040
May 28, 2006
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Manchester, UK
Metal, on the other hand, requires special hardware to run. So to benefit the extra performance will require relatively new hardware. Something that could run openCL. All Apple test were made with Intel Haswell iGPUs.

With the notable exception of the Intel HD 3000, pretty much every GPU from 2008 onwards supports OpenCL.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202823
 
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Zarniwoop

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Aug 12, 2009
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What special hardware? ATI GPU's or any GPU's that support OpenCL?

Never mind, it seems there is a thread about it already. I'll go and read it...
With the notable exception of the Intel HD 3000, pretty much every GPU from 2008 onwards supports OpenCL.

Footnote on Apple.com says about Metal for Mac and other performance improvements: "Not all features are available on all devices. Performance will vary based on system configuration, application workload, and other factors."
 

crjackson2134

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Mar 6, 2013
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Footnote on Apple.com says about Metal for Mac and other performance improvements: "Not all features are available on all devices. Performance will vary based on system configuration, application workload, and other factors."

So in your opinion would my Westmere powered Mac Pro be left behind?
 

Populus

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Aug 24, 2012
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How about Metal on a 2010 13"MBP? The integrated graphics nVidia 320m has this OpenCL thing... Do you think it will be enabled on my MacBook?
 

Zarniwoop

macrumors 65816
Aug 12, 2009
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West coast, Finland
How about Metal on a 2010 13"MBP? The integrated graphics nVidia 320m has this OpenCL thing... Do you think it will be enabled on my MacBook?

320m doesn't even support openGL 4.1... it does only 3.3. So... sounds bad.

Overall I belive, that GPUs should support openGL 4.1 and openCL 1.2 in order to Metal work at minimum level.

Here's Apple's list: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202823
 
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