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OS X 10.9 to be announced tomorrow?
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Yes they may have been "major" features but do you really think the engineers who made those features where taken from the Filesystem project teams. Likely no.
So a better comparison to me is Core Storage vs ZFS support projects.
Both have had signs in the OS for years now. CoreStorage has delivered usable and useful features to the user every release. It has built on those features every release. It has made cool hardware features possible like Fusion drive. It could conceivable during the next OS update deliver (or maybe two) all the features we wanted ZFS for (fingers cross here for data-integrity checking).
Compared to the ZFS project that was sort of monolithic and delivered in couple of not generally useful steps. It didn't enjoy the same board user run in testing. Then when licensing reared it's head as an issue showed that relying on it might be just as dangerous as continuing to rely on HFS+ long term.
So in the question of Should Apple do regular smaller updates or wait to do something big?
To me it's really clear on big complex low level features like File systems, compiler chains,core graphics projects... it's clearly better to break them up in to smaller and smaller steps and have many releases of the projects life.
The other "major" features are there as incentive for the user base to come along for the ride.
LOL I remember when people here were saying how ridiculous "MacBook Pro" sounded, and that "PowerBook" would be the name forever!
Some people just hate change. I like how lots of people think that revision numbers can only go up to 9 too...----------
If they don't wake up and start entertaining the tech user base needs again soon, their market share will suffer as people jump to the OSes that will actually meet their tech needs. iOS app integration and other bells a whistles are great, but at a certain point you need to stop dumbing down your interface to the lowest common denominator and let the power users get their ZFS and OpenGL 4.2 support. Apple don't forget your roots!
I hope not, we should probably move forward instead of moving back. Let's not make the few progresses of the last few years be for naught.
I don't think anyone is talking about "moving back". Just modify 10.9 to give us one major thing we miss: Grid-like Spaces. And of course a different flavor of Expose' that uses the entire display since we won't need that useless crap at the top anymore. Others can still use MC. It's not like the coders would have to invent anything new - just polish it up.
Seriously... bring this back and at least half of us (if not more) would simply shut the hell up. (It's either that or wait for us to die.
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I don't think anyone is talking about "moving back". Just modify 10.9 to give us one major thing we miss: Grid-like Spaces. And of course a different flavor of Expose' that uses the entire display since we won't need that useless crap at the top anymore. Others can still use MC. It's not like the coders would have to invent anything new - just polish it up.
Seriously... bring this back and at least half of us (if not more) would simply shut the hell up. (It's either that or wait for us to die.
I've never seen these "grid like spaces".
How is it better than what we have now?
Instead of spaces all lining up at the top they were in a grid on the screen.
Imagine going from Spaces in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, looking like this
STOP posting these concise comparison images! You are making me miss Snow Leopard again just when I was adapting to my misery.
STOP posting these concise comparison images! You are making me miss Snow Leopard again just when I was adapting to my misery.
Makes you want to ditch Mountain Lion and go back to the mother land...AKA Snow Leopard
Well... 10.6 was absolutely great! Fast and stable (in my experience, anyway). And I definitely miss the old Spaces + Exposé action.
There are some cool things in 10.7/10.8. But I wish they'd go back to lean and mean. Mission control is better on 10.8 than on 10.7 (with the removal of window grouping), but for me it's still slower than Spaces + Exposé.
One of my biggest annoyances? TextEdit won't open to a blank new document anymore. It always opens to the "Open" dialog nowadays. It's sad I used it to quickly jot down stuff... Now it's not quick anymore.
Having developed on all releases of OS X from 10.4 through 10.8, so far, 10.6 was the release of OS X that left me the best impression of all.
There are some cool things in 10.7/10.8. But I wish they'd go back to lean and mean. Mission control is better on 10.8 than on 10.7 (with the removal of window grouping), but for me it's still slower than Spaces + Exposé.
One of my biggest annoyances? TextEdit won't open to a blank new document anymore. It always opens to the "Open" dialog nowadays. It's sad
I used it to quickly jot down stuff... Now it's not quick anymore.Having developed on all releases of OS X from 10.4 through 10.8, so far, 10.6 was the release of OS X that left me the best impression of all.
Well... 10.6 was absolutely great! Fast and stable (in my experience, anyway). And I definitely miss the old Spaces + Exposé action.
There are some cool things in 10.7/10.8. But I wish they'd go back to lean and mean. Mission control is better on 10.8 than on 10.7 (with the removal of window grouping), but for me it's still slower than Spaces + Exposé.
One of my biggest annoyances? TextEdit won't open to a blank new document anymore. It always opens to the "Open" dialog nowadays. It's sad
Having developed on all releases of OS X from 10.4 through 10.8, so far, 10.6 was the release of OS X that left me the best impression of all.
Hopefully 10.9 will be the next 10.6. Mountain Lion came fairly close to being as great as Snow Leopard but alas it came short to 10.6's greatness
This is why there is no hope for us "Spaces" users.
i.e.... you need to use it to know what you're missing. (Especially the ability to use the keyboard). Spaces/Expose' was actually the highlight of one of Steve's keynotes back in the day.
Here's a petition to get ZFS included in OS X 10.9. May be a bit too late but the petition could get Apple's attention.
https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-os-x-10-9-support-opengl-4-3-and-zfs
ZFS and petition background:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/02/zfs-loving-mac-users-demand-support-in-os-x-10-9/
https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-os-x-10-9-support-opengl-4-3-and-zfs
ZFS and petition background:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/02/zfs-loving-mac-users-demand-support-in-os-x-10-9/
But then I won't have documents in iCloud
I want that feature, but none of the annoyance that comes with its constant nagging.