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Hi!

If I Safe Boot, what is the process/procedure to follow in order to check what resources are being used or are causing issues problems?

I emailed SuperDuper about the 35.09GB difference in HD & SSD sizes after transferring all the data & if any Data was missing & was told that:

"This is due to sleep images, swap files, temporary files and the like. You may have even had some "dead" folders in /Volumes from network mounts that failed. If you received no errors, you're fine."

Does that sound correct to you as I just wish to ensure that there was no actual Data Missing or Loss?

I have now deleted all on your list except Flash as I not sure where version 10 is - I cannot seem to find it? The info I get is mine is version 30.0.0.113? I also found some Flash Folders (one called PepperFlashPlayer?) & a Flash Player.prefpane - are these the ones you mean or something else? Where is this Flash 10 so I can get rid of it?

As for RAM< it gets very heavily used/depleted - with no apps running it varies between 3-5GB & if only Mail & Safari are running then it can get into the low MB region. CPU usage on basic apps/usage is still very high & I get a fait few spikes when the fans kick in at high speed randomly & temps go crazy - much higher than on Mavericks. I still get Spinning Beach Balls & this quite upsets me as I did not think that would ever happen with a SSD?


Yes, for SuperDuper, there are lots of things that don't get cloned, because it is a waste of time/space. The Sleep Image, for example is the same size as the amount of RAM installed, in this case 16GB. Your Mac will build a new Sleep Image...no need to move it.

Cache and other files are similar: Temp, OS stuff, not user data, no reason to move.

As for RAM, looks OK. Modern OSes manage RAM in such a way that it varies widely by what is installed and what is used.

FLash looks OK. the version report above was likely a reference to something else. Disregard.
 
Yes, for SuperDuper, there are lots of things that don't get cloned, because it is a waste of time/space. The Sleep Image, for example is the same size as the amount of RAM installed, in this case 16GB. Your Mac will build a new Sleep Image...no need to move it.

Cache and other files are similar: Temp, OS stuff, not user data, no reason to move.

As for RAM, looks OK. Modern OSes manage RAM in such a way that it varies widely by what is installed and what is used.

FLash looks OK. the version report above was likely a reference to something else. Disregard.

Hi!

Any idea of what's going on with Mail & how to sort it out?

Also, can you elaborate on the issue about HFS+ you mentioned as I am wondering if I have my set up done correctly now - can you tell anything from the screenshots I posted regarding my SSD Disk set up?

Many Thanks,
Bazzy!
 
Mail should sort itself. May be re-downloading from server.

Usually when installing 10.13, it will refomat any SSD from HFS+ to APFS. Yours did not....so it seems like it must have been a clone or something else happened.
 
Mail should sort itself. May be re-downloading from server.

Usually when installing 10.13, it will refomat any SSD from HFS+ to APFS. Yours did not....so it seems like it must have been a clone or something else happened.

Hi!

So, should my SSD & 10.13 really ought to be APFS then instead of HFS+? If so, what can/should I do about it now?

Bazzy!
 
OP wrote:
"So, should my SSD & 10.13 really ought to be APFS then instead of HFS+? If so, what can/should I do about it now?"

NOTHING.
If the MacBook is booting and running ok, LEAVE IT BE.
There's no advantage over having APFS over HFS+, as far as I see.
You may have fewer problems with it than with APFS.

My opinion only.
Others will disagree.
Some will disagree vehemently.
 
OP wrote:
"So, should my SSD & 10.13 really ought to be APFS then instead of HFS+? If so, what can/should I do about it now?"

NOTHING.
If the MacBook is booting and running ok, LEAVE IT BE.
There's no advantage over having APFS over HFS+, as far as I see.
You may have fewer problems with it than with APFS.

My opinion only.
Others will disagree.
Some will disagree vehemently.

Hi Fisherrman,

As I know nothing about APFS (I will for now anyway!!) take your word on it - I had read somewhere the Apple said APFS is best for SSD's & I wanted to make the most out of my costly Samsung 860 SSD!

Having said that, I was thinking, folks were using SSD's on Mac's before this APFS system came out & most seemed happy right - nobody was crying out for a new File System due to HFS+ holding back their SSD? So, if proper smart folks were happy with HFS+ & SSD's then I should be too hopefully!

I just want these performance issues sorted so my Mac - now with 16GB RAM & the latest SSD so it should not feel like it is struggling so much! Something(s) is affecting matters & I need to find out what. Ironically though, complete start up time is only 55 secs which does not indicate issues - it is only when the start up completes & whatever is in the system loads, do the issues occur.

I really feel like deleting anything & everything that might be even remotely causing these issues as it is peeing me off big time. The Mail App has always been a PIA & tbh, I really hate it.

I was hoping any junk from Mavericks could not possibly affect High Sierra due to incompatibility but when a novice makes assumptions, disaster usually strikes!

Funny how the etrecheck reports the system as excellent but yet I am having these issues?

Many Thanks,
N57RT.
 
APFS is built for and optimized for solid state. No question about that.

Most of what has been written about the new file system is what happens to performance on hard drives that are formatted APFS, and why it makes sense to NOT change hard drive file systems from HFS+ to APFS.

I have not seen anything about performance if keeping HFS+ on an SSD.

I was just pointing out that if one upgrades any older OS (on a SSD) to 10.13, it will automatically get converted to APFS. Yours is not.

It is a variable. I have upgraded about 10 Macs to 10.13 with SSDs, and all are APFS, and none have any issues. The Mac I am using now is an Mid 2010 MBP 2.53 i5 with only 6GB of RAM, and I see no beachballs or other delays. 10.13 on a Samsung SSD and APFS.

Oh, and 55 seconds is way to long. A clean OS on and SSD would be roughly half that. Makes me think some of the legacy apps and startup items are suspect.
[doublepost=1530391176][/doublepost]One variable to consider would be to uninstall Avast. I don't have any insight, but there have been many a AV program that were resource hogs. I would fully uninstall it, even if just to test.
 
APFS is built for and optimized for solid state. No question about that.

Most of what has been written about the new file system is what happens to performance on hard drives that are formatted APFS, and why it makes sense to NOT change hard drive file systems from HFS+ to APFS.

I have not seen anything about performance if keeping HFS+ on an SSD.

I was just pointing out that if one upgrades any older OS (on a SSD) to 10.13, it will automatically get converted to APFS. Yours is not.

It is a variable. I have upgraded about 10 Macs to 10.13 with SSDs, and all are APFS, and none have any issues. The Mac I am using now is an Mid 2010 MBP 2.53 i5 with only 6GB of RAM, and I see no beachballs or other delays. 10.13 on a Samsung SSD and APFS.

Oh, and 55 seconds is way to long. A clean OS on and SSD would be roughly half that. Makes me think some of the legacy apps and startup items are suspect.
[doublepost=1530391176][/doublepost]One variable to consider would be to uninstall Avast. I don't have any insight, but there have been many a AV program that were resource hogs. I would fully uninstall it, even if just to test.

Hi!

Thanks for the info - I really do not know much about file systems but if you also say stick with HFS+ then I will do just that - it is way to early in the game for me to mess with file systems & it was an absolute & very long frustrating experience trying to get High Sierra loaded & installed on the SSD - I was doing it as an external first so I could still use my mac.

I tried many multiple times when connecting via USB - the then external SSD would mount on the desktop but not when starting when pressing down the "alt" button. I was eventually able to get it top mount by using the very last USB port on my MBP when it would not on the first two - no idea why as when I connected other devices to the USB ports, they all worked - maybe the last USB port has more power or something?

Coming from Mavericks, I am way behind the curve on OS let alone new file systems & so I need to get my head round High Sierra first I think before ever messing with file systems. As long as my MBP is fast, stable & issue free, then I will be happy regardless of file systems I guess.

May I ask, my MBP shows 10.13.4 - if there is ever an Software upgrade by Apple & I apply it, will it then change things to this APFS or will I still be with HFS+ - just wish to know if it ever happens.

I have got rid of Avast - it was only ever installed due to it being the only options to stop the stags.bluekai.com pop up I was getting but even Avast was unable to stop after a while. It is gone now hopefully - I uninstalled via Applcleaner out of habit & there were still Avast files left in the system - I think I found them all & deleted them - hope I got them all as I really do not like Avast tbh. Even with Avast gone, the situation is pretty much the same.

May I ask, what exactly do you mean by Legacy Apps as if I can know what they are & where, I would like to be able to get rid if any offending ones. I do have a log in items that load at start up - please see screen-shot to check if on my list might be offending ones & which I should get rid of.

I have been browsing on Safari & things on general it is OK - if beach balls happen, they last a few seconds but very strangely, every time I go to website called Macworld, the beach ball is constant & the webpage never fully loads? I wonder whatever is causing this might also be the culprit for other issues?

If I can get start time to around 30 secs as you say it should be, that would be awesome - I now need to find out what is causing it to take twice as long as it should be then - trouble is I do not know where to look for stuff that might be working in the background or as hidden etc!

Many Thanks!
Bazzy!

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Avast may require the use of an uninstaller to get all the bits and pieces. FYI.

Try another browser to see if you get delays. I have seen Safari get laggy on more than one machine.

Other stuff to consider getting rid of:

smcfancontrol
MainMenu
AirPort Base Station Agent

I don't expect any updater would automatically update your file system. As far as I know, only the full installer has the ability, and I don't expect that to change. 10.14 is right around the corner, and it will likely also force a conversion. Apple has a long history of moving forward, and not looking back.

Oh, and to test your machine in general, you should consider making a test account, and logging into that account. Run it, and see if it behaves differently. If yes, your issue(s) are with your account. If no, any issues are global (not in your account).
 
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