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osx on pc
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tedrjr03 said:
Cheaper? YES. Value for money? No.
Apple have not made bargain basement machines and that is why you will not find a really cheap one. Apple have reduced their prices over the years (my 17" PB cost GBP 2500 when I got it), but only when the price of quality components came down to suit. Really, the idea of OSX stumbling and crashing due to poor hardware is not the kind of press Apple needs.
buryyourbrideau said:
same processors yes. are all the other components the same though? no. there are millions of generic pc parts out there that would only complicate the use of OS X on an regular pc, processors asside. not to mention that its illegal.
OS growth could be more restrictive if you're creating it for "everybody".
A company such as Apple can decide to drastically change something in a future OS release, and rebrand all of their hardware to cater for that. If they created their OS for everyone, this would no longer be an asset of theirs.
A company such as Apple can decide to drastically change something in a future OS release, and rebrand all of their hardware to cater for that. If they created their OS for everyone, this would no longer be an asset of theirs.
I don't like the idea of OSX on pc at all. I only like the "Boot Camp" idea because it will bring more people to the Mac Platform. It would be cheaper, but wouldn't have the quality of a true Apple Computer. Also, Apple will never do such a crazy thing, and they've done a lot of crazy things, but nothing that crazy that could ruin their company.
Actually I do like the idea of running OSX on PCs, unless Apple releases a solution that is like a headless Mac with a expandable mainboard and PCI slots, and is NOT the so called "PowerMac"
Incidentally there is nothing power about the latest dual core PowerMac G5s at all, I don't even consider them workstation grade machines (in my book workstation = niche motherboards with > 1 socket!) Those PMs are essentially just cheap PPC "PCs" with $100 mainboards (aka "logic boards")
Incidentally there is nothing power about the latest dual core PowerMac G5s at all, I don't even consider them workstation grade machines (in my book workstation = niche motherboards with > 1 socket!) Those PMs are essentially just cheap PPC "PCs" with $100 mainboards (aka "logic boards")
Apple building superior computer parts is such a load of crap!!!! If you really think that a "Apple" Pioneer Superdrive is better than lets say a cheaper Plextor version then Apple has successfully pulled the wool over your eyes. For every part inside a new Apple computer, their are ten other companies that make that part just as good if not better. Don't get me wrong, I love my Apple computers but I HATE paying premium for non-premium parts. The processors, ram, hard drives, and optical drives inside Apple computers are all made by non-Apple companies. Apple won't license a PC version of OS X because they know that most people would not purchase their higher-priced computers when they can hop on Dell or somebody elses site and order a faster computer at half the price.
Yeah, Apple has me because of their sleek notebook design, it's the only thing that has the other manufacturers beat.
tedrjr03 said:
It would only be a good idea if you think Apple going out of business is a good idea. Or if you think paying significantly more for Apple software is a good idea.
And for the "Apple premium" people, spec out machines w/comparable hardware and software from Dell, Gateway, or HP and let me know how big your massive, non-Apple premium savings are. And since I said "comparable" you don't have to include the price of anti-virus/spyware software which is pretty much required for PCs.
Lethal
The game's up for Apple. It will be hard- but they will eventually lease OS X to other manufacturers.
There is now a complete partitioning of software and hardware. OS X can now be run on any PC, and Windows can be run on a Mac. There is now nothing to tie the software to the hardware and try as they might nothing will stop this trend.
If Apple want to make their money by restricting people's choice- be it proprietory MP3 players that only play iTunes bought tracks or an operating system that is tied to proprietory hardware- then people will soon start looking elsewhere. It's usually better to use inferior technology if that technology is more open.
There is now a complete partitioning of software and hardware. OS X can now be run on any PC, and Windows can be run on a Mac. There is now nothing to tie the software to the hardware and try as they might nothing will stop this trend.
If Apple want to make their money by restricting people's choice- be it proprietory MP3 players that only play iTunes bought tracks or an operating system that is tied to proprietory hardware- then people will soon start looking elsewhere. It's usually better to use inferior technology if that technology is more open.
4God said:So, what you're saying is my dual dual core 2.5 (quad) is not a powerful - workstation grade - machine?
Compared to the dual dual core opteron 875 i use at work. your machine is no ware neer a work station, Apple have only just got workstation Graphics cards, and only one of them lol. Love apple, but i would want some real horse power on a Powermac. I hope the new Xeons are good, becuase at the moment there flys compared to the Opteron.
PlaceofDis said:
the processor/chipset are the key ingredients...but they share uma, x-86 code, and very often the same sound and video drivers so i would say the components, outside of the case, are basically, if not the same all around
yes, it is illegal, but i can see where many a pc user, who got windows os illegally through a myriad of means, would find an illegal version of os x to still be much, much better than windows 2000 or windows xp
i think it may be, or not, in the best interest for apple to license out os x because it seems more logical than having a beautiful mac sitting on your desk, nice keyboard, nice mouse, gorgeous monitor...running windows xp
some people will buy a mac with dual boot capability, and then just revert to the windows they are more familiar with, even though their hardware has the apple logo on it
most of us can agree that os x is better and cleaner than xp, so i think it's better to run os x on a pc than run windows xp on a mac...after a lot of internet and email usage, which computer, the windows running one or the os x running one, will be less virus infected?
os x on a pc is a great idea...better than having a pc user buy a mac only to run windows
commonpeople said:
By your reasoning people won't buy songs from iTMS because the music files only plays on Apple's iTune software and Apple iPods but we all know how true that is
Unfortunately, the trouble here is that even less so as compared to DRMed AAC tracks, there is seriously nothing in OSX that prevents it from running on a grey box PC apart from the artificial constraints put in by Apple.
Don't get me wrong, overall Apple still does a good job, but there are times when I actually have doubts on Apple's manufacturing and QC etc, and we all know how expensive repairing a Mac costs outside of AppleCare.
If buying a Mac is what it takes to run MacOS, fine. But I really appreciate a "transferable license" if you may, right now Apple is having its cake and eating it too.
Not only do you essentially pay for a "license" in the Mac hardware premiums, but when your hardware dies you are essentially stuffed, and worse of all, there are no alternatives. Unlike Windows where you CAN shell out $400 to get the full retail version as opposed to non transferrable OEM ones, you can't do the same for MacOS.
Even more scary..
Macs today are really shoddily built as compared to the Macs of yesterday.
I don't know about you, nor do I give 2 hoots about EULAs or what have you. All I know are these:
- I am the customer
- I am paying for what I deem to have value for me
- Without the likes of me, your establishment won't even exist
- I will use your product as I deem fit.
Surrender your rights all you want, leave mine out of it. And curiously even as of today no EULA has held up in court yet. Sure, many a times when Microsoft has filed a lawsuit against that college student who resells that academic version of Office on eBay against the terms of the EULA, and that many a times have they backed down in court yet.
generik said:
i don't want to agree, but you are very right
just look at all the problems people are posting on macrumors about newer macs
quality seems to be cyclical for apple...a few bad years followed by a few good years and then back to bad
but at least apple inc does have some "good" years and many pc makers never have any good years, per se...i can't think of any really good years for emachines for example
they may have made some reliable, adequate machines for extended time periods, but they never lead the industry in reliability and design like apple does, and has several times over the last 30 years
jefhatfield said:
Yes, but the sad reality is, from my experience as a PC user, I have been putting together my PC for years, yet I never experienced a single "logic board" failure.
The only weird thing I ever experienced over the past 10 years for the 10+ computers that I put together not just for myself but for other members of my family is just one instance where fan on a graphics card got so choked up with dust that it stopped spinning, and resulted in many system freeze ups. Cleaning out the fan fixed the problem.
The myth that seems to be perpetuating the Mac community about PCs being shoddily built etc is only true if you buy "$999 complete with free 19" monitor!" bottom of the barrel el cheapo Dells.
The chinese have a saying that basically goes something like "a sheep's fur grows from a sheep's body", or something like that, but the point I was trying to make is, hey, if you buy such a cheap computer, Dell needs to make money too, obviously it is going to cut back and pinch pennies elsewhere.
Most people I know who like me build their PCs with quality components from brand name vendors generally would share my relatively pain free experience too, hardware wise that is. Windows on the other hand... urgh..
The trouble with Macs is, they obviously are priced like high quality PCs, but do they have the quality to measure up? I can find countless stories of how users have to send that iBook back for Logic Board replacements cos that damned thing just keeps failing, or Apple reps constantly putting off customers by lying that there are no known issues (when there really is), or other similar incidents that may arrise.
At some point you just want to have that 2nd opinion. Some Mac purists seem to be of the opinion that everything Apple makes is perfect and wonderful, well, I certainly don't share that sentiment. And to sum it up at the end of this post, every customer has a different perception is what's important, and what's not.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Mini.. quiet computer, so small, looks cute, I will probably buy the Mini Rev-B when it potentially comes out in May/June and ride over the Rev-A Mac Pro woes until next year, but if Apple would release a non-pro desktop that is not AIO and also allows the possibility to open its hood and slide in a new PCIe card or two, I'd be all over it.
Next time when you feel like whining about Intel's IIG on the new Mac Minis or perhaps the new MacBook, ask yourself again.. didn't you essentially buy yourself into this ********? Apple essentially gave you a proposition: Buy a $2500 workstation, or just take the $799 Mini and shutup! Your only recourse, to either suck it up like a man, give in to Apple marketing's upward pull, or simply hop over to Project x86 and make a few new friends to learn more about getting a 2nd opinion.
I don't blame PC users who run hacked versions of OSX, I completely understand why they choose to do it.
Macrumors has grown and Apple's market share has grown, so it's only logical that there are more "what's wrong w/my Mac" threads now than there were 3 or 4 years ago simply because there are more Mac users. Plus, people w/problems are more vocal than those that are doing just fine.jefhatfield said:
Using the hospital/help desk/tech forum as a source will not provide an accurate cross section of the general population.
Person A: Man, Los Angeles sure is an unhealthy city.
Person B: Why do you say that?
Person A: Well, I visited a hospital there and damn near everyone in the hospital was sick or injured.
Yesterday it was peeling/chiping paint on TiBooks and wind-tunnel G4's and today it's failing power supplies and white spots on screens. And for the past 5 years people have been complaining about how easily iPods are scratched.
Lethal
yea i never said it wasnt illegal.PlaceofDis said:
i seriously hope to never see OSX on a PC legally.
buryyourbrideau said:
Well, if someone has bought a copy of OSX and has found a way to install it on their PC then I'm fine with that. Call me a law-breaker, but I've had enough when companies tell me which hole I can put my legally purchased CD's into. Sell me the software but don't tell me which box I'm allowed to install it onto.
How would people feel if Sony only allowed you to play Sony music on Sony made CD players? Why should digital music, or software be any different?
Or let's say that Ford sold you a great car, but only under the proviso that you could drive it on certain Ford approved roads?
I'm not advocating anyone break the law, but I don't have much sympathy with Apple in this case. If their hardware is truly the best, then they have nothing to worry about do they?