i dont have a link or anythink i just do it all the time i assumed more people done this. the idea is you cant be forced into buying a computer with windows on it if your a linux user and your allowed to get a refund for your windows. i use this with acer, HP, and dell. i just carefully peal the sticker of and put it on in the bag with the windows recovery cd or windows oem cd and any other software i dont want and send it back for my refund.matticus008 said:
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i just upgraded mine form 10.4.5 to 10.4.6 by clicking the hacked 10.4.6 update. its not hard to install, its the same to install on a pc as a mac, just pop the cd in and click install. all my drivers work. i basicly got a mac mini for quater the price. The system is stable, dosnt crash, dosnt have slow downs and most of my applications work. i'm happly set up camp here for a little wile untill cs3 comes out then i am takeing the big plunge to a imac or powermac.ReanimationLP said:
Actually, you can be. If you read the warranty terms for most retail PCs, it requires that you use the original software that came with the machine for the warranty to be valid. The idea is that if you want a Linux machine, you can now buy them from Dell and Lenovo and (I think) HP. Having dealt with Dell for corporate agreements, I know that there are specific warranty terms that you need to negotiate in order to give you blank machines and that their home sales department will not authorize a refund on an individual basis.babyjenniferLB said:
Contrary to popular belief, the OEM EULA for Windows XP does NOT include the refund clause, so there is no legal standing for the refund request. You are entitled to return the entire PC if you don't agree with the terms of the license. Even if you do manage to get a sympathetic person to give you the refund, the MSRP of the OEM disc is US$89--but then again the OEM copy is specifically tied to the hardware and cannot be separated. DFS sells off-lease notebooks without OSes installed, if you want to go that route, though.
There are a number of support forum threads on Dell's website that confirms that there are no Windows refunds, HP's site states that you must destroy the software license and media if you do not agree with your terms, and Lenovo's site says that any and all returns must include both the original hardware, software, and all documentation.
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Let's face it Apple builds beautiful machines- no pc manufacture meets the design standards of Apple (maybe sony does.... as 2nd in command)
Running OS X on a pc would be cool but never be the same experience...
But what I think is more frustrating is that linux and unix open source is not able to do better design and easier GUI- C'mon guy it's not that difficult to outperform windows!!!
Let's face it Apple builds beautiful machines- no pc manufacture meets the design standards of Apple (maybe sony does.... as 2nd in command)
Running OS X on a pc would be cool but never be the same experience...
But what I think is more frustrating is that linux and unix open source is not able to do better design and easier GUI- C'mon guy it's not that difficult to outperform windows!!!
lomolomo said:
Over and over and over again I listen to this dribble, and i just dont buy into this crap. I mean, the apple hardware is a nice experience, really...I mean, I love my powerbook, dont get me wrong - but I dont experience anything about my hardware while I am doing work on a desktop besides the monitor, keyboard and mouse...which at the moment is an EXCELLENT microsoft keyboard/mouse (bluetooth) combo and a Dell 24" monitor that is amazing ($ for performance)
And the thing is - I really dont care about whats going on with the guts of the machine...its just some dell workstation, like the 5 or 6 others I have had over the past couple of years, which have never had a single problem...rock solid...except for...you guessed it! the Operating SYSTEM!!!!!!
I would do ANYTHING (legal) to get OS X on these computers as the main OS to manage all of the information on these computers. I would still need to run Windows to Develop, collaborate and communicate (for some things)...but I would gladly run the OS X experience on top of all of this
And there are 4 other computers in my household which would be turned into OS X boxes.
Now, this does NOT mean I would stop buying apple computers or hardware...case in point: next version of the Nano, Im getting one. Next version of the ibook (especially if it is a widescreen 13"...) ... Im getting one...
a mini? no way...way to much money for extremely poor graphics performance
an imac? maybe...still too much...Ive got too many computers to justify one of these...
So, it all comes down to if people think the hardware can compete. I think we all realize the software could easily dominate, but its the "small-picture" closed world mentality that is holding this OS back.
People - with a deployment of 30-50% in the home user market, OS X could win over developers to go deep into producing applications that are mac only. Once this type of thing happens, it becomes a snowball effect wrapping more and more users
Personally, I believe that mac hardware is competitive enough and attractive enough to get people to purchase macs. I mean, the average user is going to go for the full blown apple "hardware/software" purchase. But there is a huge number of people who cannot afford $600-2000+ for an operating system. Obviously, there are plenty of people who would pay 200-299 dollars for OS X.
The incredible amount of money coming in from the OS X sales would instantly make Apple capable of offsetting their hardware price points. We could be seeing discounts of 200 or more on Apple hardware - IMAGINE THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS!!!
Look, the iPod is a perfect example. There are cheaper windows only hardware alternatives...none of them compare hardware wise - Im confident Apple hardware will still be able to compete in the same way.
Look...think of the first time you ever saw someone with a Powerbook in starbucks...
DeeJay Dan said:
Ah, I guess it's Microsoft that does all the drivers for the hardware Windows Supports, right?
Funny, I don't remember almost any piece of hardware that didn't come with a drivers disk.
This is the developer's and manufacturer's fault. Go and bug them. I've managed to get support for Hardware that wasn't supported originally in OSX by doing exactly this.
Deluded, really.
DeeJay Dan said:
See above. You can only use this argument when talking about integrated hardware (and at that you could probably only refer to the disk controllers and the integrated graphics chips. Everything that's pluggable is responsibility of its manufacturer, you want support for a Cytec? Go and bug Cytec. Apple doesn't provide this support in the same way Microsoft doesn't).
Deluded and misinformed, really.
DeeJay Dan said:
Be careful. Ubuntu does this "out of the box" because otherwise it'd be nigh impossible for the users to support their systems. Linux systems are obscure for average users and expecting them to compile or load kernel modules and/or drivers for it is unrealistic. This was a necessity for Ubuntu that doesn't exist in Windows (surprise, there is no online driver repository from microsoft) nor MacOSX. In both cases, of course, you can get programs that'll check your installed program versions and download appropriate updates when necessary. And all supported drivers from Apple will be automatically updated too.
Deluded, misinformed and misleading, really.
DeeJay Dan said:
Apple is not driven by the same incentives as the Linux community (who'd WISH to be in Apple's position, really). Apple is before all a company that makes a profit. If gaining marketshare can only be achieved by sacrificing the (much bigger than you seem to believe) hardware sales then it's not a good direction. If gaining marketshare means getting into a market where the OS is pirated by 90% of its individuals then that's not a good business proposition.
Deluded, misinformed, misleading and groundless, really.
qtip919 said:
And you, as all people using windows in their homes in this wide, varied world, paid for all of your Windows copies then, did you?
Because I can believe you did, I really can... But that'd make you an exception and an anomaly (unless Windows was included in your PC-Purchase, in which case you actually didn't pay for it directly).
So... You'd be willing to fork over $260 for 4 copies of OSX then, too.
There should be more people like you. I mean it with all my heart. Things would be clearer for all then and your proposition would then approach something that at least *makes sense*.
qtip919 said:
And apple thanks you for it. You mean to say the Nano isn't too expensive and wouldn't it be better to have a generic chinese MP3 Player with the iPod's interface? That'd be so much better.
Same with the iBook. Getting a nice ducktronic chinese white laptop with OSX on it. I'm almost drooling in anticipation.
Your comment below about the iPod being the best hardware is, by the way, not shared by a lot of users and they use the same arguments you use for computers here.
qtip919 said:
So, it's Apple's fault that you don't have a use for their lowest-end computer, then? It's a bad thing on their part that you're not their target demographic for this machine because you want it to do something it clearly wasn't intended to do?
qtip919 said:
That last sentence could apply to almost any idea of purchase for a new computer.
qtip919 said:
Er... Is there anything holding this OS back? This OS is designed to run on Apple hardware and, as far as I know, it runs in close to 100% of it's intended market, so that'd mean that it's wildly successful.
And yes, I understand you. That doesn't mean you're right or that I agree with you. I like to think of macs as a single thing, not an OS and a piece of Iron. And I'd like them to stay that way, thankyou.
qtip919 said:
Really... Only mac-users develop mac-only software. The rest of the developers are after the big chunk of the market and *may* give support to Macs if their resources allow them.
qtip919 said:
Er... No, there isn't. Which makes the next point moot.
qtip919 said:
What about it? I can't remember the first, as it was so long ago, but I see them almost every time I go to Starbucks. I'm sure I'm missing the point in this last sentence. Maybe it was so obvious I didn't see it?
In other news: I got a new car for free last night, and all I had to do was use a coat hanger to open the door and patch some wires around under the steering wheel to start it. I'm just waiting for the new '07 model Honda Accords come out before taking the plunge, this will do me for now.babyjenniferLB said:
Go and buy that Mac now and make amends
jacobj said:
Well im not sure i agree with you on value for money.
Being able to dual boot XP and OSX could be classed as value for money. How much would it cost to buy 2 laptops of even spec (asus V6J)??