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puckhead193

macrumors G3
May 25, 2004
9,578
862
NY
amateurmacfreak said:
I totally know what you mean! :eek: I'm 13, and the maternal instincts are already kicking in.
you should work at a camp. You're only with the kids for the day.... and at night your free ;)
 

mad jew

Moderator emeritus
Apr 3, 2004
32,191
9
Adelaide, Australia
You know, I only just worked out where the bits are... :eek:

I thought the baby was that black tadpole-shaped thing but actually (s)he's the baby-shaped thing inside the tadpole. I didn't wanna say anything before because I thought you guys might be getting some sorta frog species instead of the regulation-human. Ahh well, it coulda been fun but I'm happy for you that you'll be gettin' a humanoid. :cool:
 

atszyman

macrumors 68020
Sep 16, 2003
2,437
16
The Dallas 'burbs
celebrian23 said:
I so don't see a baby. It's so freaking annoying! I keep looking but all I see are black and white swooshes.

You need to cross your eyes and look through the picture....

Congratulations nbs2, and floriflee. I'm going to offer one nifty piece of advice we did when we were pregnant (and will probably do again).

Figure out where you will be buying most of your baby supplies (diapers, wipes, etc). As soon as you can get a gift card and go every week or so and add to it. We tried to keep up at $20/week. By the end of the pregnancy you will have a nice little gift card saved up for incidentals so it's not nearly as much of a financial shock. If you are really disciplined you can do the same with your savings account and earn interest on the money, but we didn't quite trust ourselves that much...
 

vniow

macrumors G4
Jul 18, 2002
10,266
1
I accidentally my whole location.
nbs2 said:
and since we all start off as females until the Y gets off its duff and starts doing its job, until I know otherwise, she is a she.

[nitpick]That's not actually true, a baby is sexless until it reaches a certain point. The same tissue is used to create both sets of organs.[/nitpick]

Congratulations in any case, no matter which gender the child ends up. ;)
 

ham_man

macrumors 68020
Jan 21, 2005
2,265
0
vniow said:
[nitpick]That's not actually true, a baby is sexless until it reaches a certain point. The same tissue is used to create both sets of organs.[/nitpick]

Congratulations in any case, no matter which gender the child ends up. ;)
Wouldn't it be determined upon fertilization...? I mean the sperm can either carry an X or a Y. Right? :confused:
 
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CompUser

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Congratulations on your child. Do you have a name for her yet?

She's so cute.


40 Year old virgin quote:
"It looks like the doppler radar"
 

vniow

macrumors G4
Jul 18, 2002
10,266
1
I accidentally my whole location.
ham_man said:
Wouldn't it be determined upon fertilization...? I mean the sperm can either carry an X or a Y. Right? :confused:

...and that's where it gets complicated.

I should have mentioned external sexual characteristics. There's three kinds, hormonal, physical and chromosomal. The last is determined at fertilisation which can only be detected by actually testing a cell from the fetus, the middle is determined by several factors, most of which are a combination of the first and the last but not completely. The first characteristic is a combo of the second and third.

Its not quite a simple as a sperm carrying an X or a Y chromosome. While in most cases everything matches up its more often than people would think that it doesn't.

As far as physical features go, aside from chomosomal makeup, their form is sexless, resembling neither form of genetalia. That comes later when tissues and organs grow and changes as the months progress. In adulthood they're suprisingly similar. Pretty much everything has its counterpart on the other gender, its just a matter of where its placed. Its no shock really, they're formed from the same original tissues. They simply grew differently.
 

OutThere

macrumors 603
Dec 19, 2002
5,730
3
NYC
vniow said:
[nitpick]That's not actually true, a baby is sexless until it reaches a certain point. The same tissue is used to create both sets of organs.[/nitpick]

Congratulations in any case, no matter which gender the child ends up. ;)

Sorry...that's wrong.

It might be impossible to tell visually, without a DNA test, however the first cell created upon fertilization/conception is predetermined to be a man/woman.

Because women have two X chromosomes, and eggs are produced by taking 23 (half) of the 46 total chromosomes that make up the human genome, women can only contribute an X chromosome in their eggs. Men have X and Y sex chromosomes, therefore each sperm contains either an X or a Y. This pairs with the egg's X to form X+X or X+Y, boy or girl. These chromosomes are present in the first cell (the zygote).

Therefore, given the appropriate technology, you'd be able to tell the sex of your baby extremely quickly after conception.

edit: above was written while I was writing this...but my point is still the same. And while external sexual characteristics are invisible at that time, the sex chromosomes play an undeniably immense role in the formation, growth and life of humans. Unknown to many, hundreds of disorders are sex-linked, affecting only those with the right sex chromosomes...
 

vniow

macrumors G4
Jul 18, 2002
10,266
1
I accidentally my whole location.
OutThere said:
edit: above was written while I was writing this...but my point is still the same. And while external sexual characteristics are invisible at that time, the sex chromosomes play an undeniably immense role in the formation, growth and life of humans. Unknown to many, hundreds of disorders are sex-linked, affecting only those with the right sex chromosomes...

No argument there. My point was that we don't start off as one gender or the other as far as tissues go and that physical characteristics are not always a determining factor. Neither are chromosomes for that matter as evidenced by this. Its important to know that there are far more variations of bodies and chromosomes that we're generally told.
 

OutThere

macrumors 603
Dec 19, 2002
5,730
3
NYC
vniow said:
No argument there. My point was that we don't start off as one gender or the other as far as tissues go and that physical characteristics are not always a determining factor. Neither are chromosomes for that matter as evidenced by this. Its important to know that there are far more variations of bodies and chromosomes that we're generally told.

It is true that there are chromosomal abnormalities/variations...XXX, XXY XYY etc.

Keep in mind that they are, on the whole, quite rare. 1 in 1,000-50,000 depending on the combination.
 

Chappers

macrumors 68020
Aug 12, 2003
2,247
1
At home
Congratulations.

It only seems like yesterday that my wife and I were in your position...... in fact it was a year ago. Our son Bora is now 4 months old and is 2ft 3inches tall and growing fast. He has a passport. Laughs aloud constantly (better than crying) and his best friend is a mutant ninja turtle sock (don't ask).

He has lots of clothes he grew out of as soon as he got them and luckily a big bag of gold coins from his family in Turkey where it is a tradition to buy gold for babies instead of clothes. A fine tradition I say.
 

nbs2

macrumors 68030
Original poster
Mar 31, 2004
2,719
491
A geographical oddity
Chappers said:
He has lots of clothes he grew out of as soon as he got them and luckily a big bag of gold coins from his family in Turkey where it is a tradition to buy gold for babies instead of clothes. A fine tradition I say.
And, he won't grow out of the coins!

As for the gender thing, between learning that and the one not being a prime number, my life is in crisis. Or, maybe it's the bar. Anyway, in on your opinions, should I be calling the baby a her or a him for the next 12 weeks (or however long until we have a known gender)? I suppose the worldwide law of averages says boy, but in both our families it says girl...I just can't use it.
 

riciad

macrumors 6502
Oct 10, 2005
354
0
Ireland
Try the needle on a thread gender predictor. You dangle the needle over the woman's wrist and supposedly determine the sex and number of children you will have by whether the needle reacts by moving in a circle or a straight line.

Except I can't remember which is which. Anybody else with a better memory heard of this?

A friend tried this out with me when I was expecting my first child. It predicted boy, boy, boy, girl, girl, girl, boy and then stopped dead. I scoffed at the results as I was already 30, but guess what, the prediction was nearly spot on, except the last two were boy, girl.

Mind you, this friend was always considered to be a bit fey, so maybe that made a difference.
 

floriflee

macrumors 68030
Dec 21, 2004
2,707
1
mad jew said:
You know, I only just worked out where the bits are... :eek:

I thought the baby was that black tadpole-shaped thing but actually (s)he's the baby-shaped thing inside the tadpole. I didn't wanna say anything before because I thought you guys might be getting some sorta frog species instead of the regulation-human. Ahh well, it coulda been fun but I'm happy for you that you'll be gettin' a humanoid. :cool:

It would probably be easier to give birth to a tadpole/frog than a humanoid.... :D
 

munkees

macrumors 65816
Sep 3, 2005
1,027
1
Pacific Northwest
congrats, but it is a very scarey picture, my wife has one evan more scarey, she has 3, YES, 3 and I am crapping my pants, that 3 crying pooping machines, that will grow into 3 monsters that will attack every thing, then they will turn into 3 toddlers and it get even worse. I know what I am in for we have a 2 1/2 year old.

My wife is 16 weeks, we are having 2 boys one girl.

When I go to the doctors I have ask them to rate the Scan as Rated 'R'
 

w_parietti22

macrumors 68020
Apr 16, 2005
2,497
4
Seattle, WA
munkees said:
congrats, but it is a very scarey picture, my wife has one evan more scarey, she has 3, YES, 3 and I am crapping my pants, that 3 crying pooping machines, that will grow into 3 monsters that will attack every thing, then they will turn into 3 toddlers and it get even worse. I know what I am in for we have a 2 1/2 year old.

My wife is 16 weeks, we are having 2 boys one girl.

When I go to the doctors I have ask them to rate the Scan as Rated 'R'


:eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW! Thats really exciting and scary at the same time! :D :eek: Congratulations.
 

amateurmacfreak

macrumors 6502a
Sep 8, 2005
992
0
nbs2 said:
I understand what you mean. I don't expect I will have a whole lot of flexibility doing the law thing (if I can ever find a job), but Lori works from home (telecommuting is a wonderful thing) so it will be a little better than it could have been. I'm hoping to get a bit more flexible as things go on and be able to spend more time with her.
Yeah, my life will have to fit my family life somehow... :) But I want to have my kids early... b/c I sound like a pessimist, so my parents were oldwhen they had me, 45 (dad) and 40 (mom) so I don't want my parents to die when my kid is like, 2 or something. Or worse, before my kid is born. :( :eek:
The other day I depressed my mom by commenting on how my dad will be 80 (assuming he's still alive) when I'm 35. :( :eek: I felt bad about it later....
 

floriflee

macrumors 68030
Dec 21, 2004
2,707
1
munkees said:
congrats, but it is a very scarey picture, my wife has one evan more scarey, she has 3, YES, 3 and I am crapping my pants, that 3 crying pooping machines, that will grow into 3 monsters that will attack every thing, then they will turn into 3 toddlers and it get even worse. I know what I am in for we have a 2 1/2 year old.

My wife is 16 weeks, we are having 2 boys one girl.

When I go to the doctors I have ask them to rate the Scan as Rated 'R'

Holy crap! And I was worried we'd have twins like a friend of mine is having in September (no history of twins in hers or his family). Sorry, dude. :( If it's any consolation, I talked to another person who has twins and she said it was actually easier with them because they're all at the same stage so you have less planning than if all of them came at different stages. She had twin boys and a little girl.
 
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