I have an IMAP account, a POP account and a Gmail account (IMAP) with 11,440 messages in my inbox as well as On My Mac archives of mail dating back to 2003. No issues here.
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That's great for you. I've got three IMAP accounts and reliably the upgrade bar stopped a third of the way along. No problem, I'll report it, wait for the next Beta and see if it's fixed there.
Of course it's not fully stable but it's stable enough. I've had small things to be expected during my time with developing on macOS (granted that's only been 3ish days), but there's nothing to say the average person couldn't get by with it.
It's alpha software which means use at your own risk. Kind of like changing out a breaker in the fuse box with the electricity still on. You're on your own if and when you lose your data. Just don't recommend to others to use it.
I'm giving it a 6. I have used worse DP's and better but this one is slightly above normal for me.
This is across 4 fairly different sets of hardware but all fairly new pieces of hardware.
a 2014 Mac Mini i5 w/ 256SSD
a 2013 Mac Pro 6Core w/ 256SSD
a 2015 iMac i7 w/512SSD
a 2015 MacBook w/ 512SSD
I have quite a few more devices but they are much more important for day to day use and there's no way I'll put anything less than GM or sometimes a .1 release on those machines. Now that's out of th way...
Mail works fine across everything for me
WiFi is fine but I've never experienced WiFi issues other than 1 time back with Lion
Safari can be sluggish and even randomly hang completely across all 4 systems
The OS randomly becomes unresponsive across all 4 systems
Bluetooth Logitech MX Master on 3 of the systems and it also sometimes becomes unresponsive for several seconds and then is all fine
Siri is sometimes very responsive, sometimes very sluggish, this is a mix across the 4 systems.
Not a bad start for 10.12 so I'm looking forward to the systems as a whole improving more and more over the coming months.
This is across 4 fairly different sets of hardware but all fairly new pieces of hardware.
a 2014 Mac Mini i5 w/ 256SSD
a 2013 Mac Pro 6Core w/ 256SSD
a 2015 iMac i7 w/512SSD
a 2015 MacBook w/ 512SSD
I have quite a few more devices but they are much more important for day to day use and there's no way I'll put anything less than GM or sometimes a .1 release on those machines. Now that's out of th way...
Mail works fine across everything for me
WiFi is fine but I've never experienced WiFi issues other than 1 time back with Lion
Safari can be sluggish and even randomly hang completely across all 4 systems
The OS randomly becomes unresponsive across all 4 systems
Bluetooth Logitech MX Master on 3 of the systems and it also sometimes becomes unresponsive for several seconds and then is all fine
Siri is sometimes very responsive, sometimes very sluggish, this is a mix across the 4 systems.
Not a bad start for 10.12 so I'm looking forward to the systems as a whole improving more and more over the coming months.
Sierra is currently a memory suck. I launched Opera and it took 5gb for 4 tabs. There's obviously a lot of debug compilation in the OS at this point. For me, I think it's not ready for general purpose user usage beyond it being a rudimentary technology preview.
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I'd give it a 2 at this point. I'll wait for the upcoming public beta where they'll turn off a lot of the debugging to allow regular peons to run it
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I'd give it a 2 at this point. I'll wait for the upcoming public beta where they'll turn off a lot of the debugging to allow regular peons to run it
Have you tried DDG lately? I use it as my daily driver search engine and on the rare occasion it doesn't help me, I just use the !g, !gi, or !bi bangs. Just letting you know since I share your outlook on the "free" services.
I have not used it in about 6 months or so. Did not know about the feature. Switching all my defaults back now, thanks!
I was just reminded of this post because I Google searched for a product I already own and then saw an ad for it on FB hours later. I absolutely hate this.
Sure man, to use the bangs feature all you have to do is type you search query into DDG as normal, and add "!g" for example and it will search google instead. There is also google images and bing images that I listed, but there's !yt for youtube, !imdb for imdb, and many many more.
Downgraded to a 7. It doesn't appear Energy Saver is working for me (not turning off screen), and overnight it had shut the computer down and didn't turn back on even with holding the power button down. Had to remove the power cable and plug it back in to kick it back to life.
Unsurprisingly it's not something you want to run on your main machine yet. Worst for me are browers, safari, chrome and firefox all having problems, but other things too. For most there aren't enough big changes to make it worth installing at this stage. Biggest addition for most will probably be siri but who doesn't know what that is or hasn't used it?
I expect to use Siri as much as I use Cortana when using Win10.
Browsers are a memory hog especially Opera where each tab takes 8x the memory that El Cap needs.
Looks like I too have a mail issue.
IMAP with google apps and I store nothing locally on my Mac. Whenever I sent a mail it sends it and creates a new "On My Mac" mail box. I check in preferences and its all linked for cloud mailboxes.. Super annoying.
IMAP with google apps and I store nothing locally on my Mac. Whenever I sent a mail it sends it and creates a new "On My Mac" mail box. I check in preferences and its all linked for cloud mailboxes.. Super annoying.
I gave it a 5. For whatever reason I have no issues with apps or Safari, but 48 hours after installing without countless restarts, my machine was still running at 95% CPU and 170+ degrees with fan cranked up to 6500 RPM. Spotlight was no longer indexing and nothing was syncing in the background, but for whatever reason my MBA was just running at full usage and my battery was dying in less than 90 minutes from 100%. I went back to El Cap and everything is back to normal. Might have been a fluke, but I will wait till DP3 before I upgrade again.
An 8 plus. I first upgraded an El Capitan beta on my old 17" Macbook Pro i7 with only 4 gb of ram. All seemed well until I tried to open Vivaldi (chrome based browser). I basically did a hard reboot and tried the rest of the system. No problems with Firefox or Safari. I typically use Airmail 3 and that was fine. VLC, etc. no issues. I then did a wipe and fresh install but the results were the same. Running Dropbox, Firefox, Activity Monitor, VLC and Airmail 3 only brought me to 3 gigs of ram use. CPU was very stable after indexing etc. was complete. Still no Chrome, though.
Then I did an upgrade on my late 2012 i5 Mac Mini with 10 gigs of ram. This is a daily use machine and I went from El Capitan latest beta to Sierra with no problems. At this time I'm using 3.6 gigs of ram with Firefox (47.0), Airmail 3, Dropbox, Activity Monitor running. Very stable and all my usual apps open & run with no problems. I'm staying away from Chrome until Google addresses the ram usage from their end. Opening Vivaldi pushed everything up to 8.6 gigs with only 1 tab. I haven't used Apple's Mail in a long time. I've found it to be a bit glitchy sometimes on my machine and Airmail has always been very stable & light on resources.
Then I did an upgrade on my late 2012 i5 Mac Mini with 10 gigs of ram. This is a daily use machine and I went from El Capitan latest beta to Sierra with no problems. At this time I'm using 3.6 gigs of ram with Firefox (47.0), Airmail 3, Dropbox, Activity Monitor running. Very stable and all my usual apps open & run with no problems. I'm staying away from Chrome until Google addresses the ram usage from their end. Opening Vivaldi pushed everything up to 8.6 gigs with only 1 tab. I haven't used Apple's Mail in a long time. I've found it to be a bit glitchy sometimes on my machine and Airmail has always been very stable & light on resources.
How is it useless? All apps work and Safari works. It's just running hot and killing battery. But if I'm plugged in it still works. 3 would be if the same thing was happening and I couldn't launch half my apps. A 1 would be literally unusable as no apps work and the computer barely boots.
I installed Sierra over a pre-release build of El Capitan. I tested for a few minutes, primarily to tell whether fsck_apfs would find a problem following a sudden stop of the Mac whilst using a USB flash drive that was given to Apple File System.
Simply stopping the Mac in that way seemed to leave the operating system unusable – it failed to boot in safe mode, and so on. Sierra Recovery OS Disk Utility found the HFS Plus file system apparently OK so the failure to start Mac OS X normally is mysterious, maybe a file system inconsistency of a type that can not be recognised by fsck_hfs (such things can happen).
Critically: whilst the pre-release build of El Capitan was from Apple, the installer .app that I used was not from Apple – so I refrain from voting.
I'll reinstall Sierra over Sierra and then test to see whether the boot failure is reproducible.
Good point.
To me, at a glance, it does not have the recognisable appearance of a debug build … but that's based on experience from years ago.
Maybe of interest: 10.12 filling up with swap files...killing disk | Apple Developer Forums
Critically: whilst the pre-release build of El Capitan was from Apple, the installer .app that I used was not from Apple – so I refrain from voting.
I'll reinstall Sierra over Sierra and then test to see whether the boot failure is reproducible.
Good point.
To me, at a glance, it does not have the recognisable appearance of a debug build … but that's based on experience from years ago.
Maybe of interest: 10.12 filling up with swap files...killing disk | Apple Developer Forums
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I'm changing my 8 to a 9 also. Memory usage is great, speed as well. I've gone back to using Apple's Mail app since it's now seemingly de-glitched and fast. Safari's very fast & extremely ram friendly but I'm going with Firefox 47 for now. All of my daily apps run with the exception of Google's Chrome. I'm experiencing the same very high ram that others are reporting. I'm looking forward to Apple & Google cooperating on that issue. Various Google bits can still be opened in a browser tab so that's fine. I use Keep frequently. Did wonders for my old 2010 MacBook Pro 17" i7. Firefox, Dropbox, Mail, Activity Monitor & iTunes - 3.02 gigs ram out of only 4.
Mac Mini late 2012 i5, 10 gigs ram
MacBook Pro 17" 2010 i7, 4 gigs ram
Mac Mini late 2012 i5, 10 gigs ram
MacBook Pro 17" 2010 i7, 4 gigs ram
One thing that many here need to accept is this: until Google stops butchering IMAP for Gmail then the experience will always be a hit or miss with a bias towards miss. The problem is with Google and Google needs to stop mucking around just damn well implement a bog standards compliant IMAP implementation without all the labels etc. BS which would avoid the fiasco that many here experience on a regular basis. At the rate at which Google is going at I wonder whether those with custom domains would be better off just biting the bullet and going with Microsoft Exchange hosting.
That makes sense, I can see that with this being a developer preview, its not optimized for normal consumption.
I really want to install all the new betas but I can't take the chance it will mess with work. Blarg. I'll just need to wait....