Flash 10.1 has already been proven to not be that much of a drain on the battery for Android phones. It's no more of a drain than watching a non flash video. But a lot of iPhone users keep buying into this myth. People act like playing iPhone games or watching long videos doesn't drain the battery.
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Palm Pre Now has Flash
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Flash 10.1 has already been proven to not be that much of a drain on the battery for Android phones. It's no more of a drain than watching a non flash video. But a lot of iPhone users keep buying into this myth. People act like playing iPhone games or watching long videos doesn't drain the battery.
Are there any videos around of the Pre running Flash?
The only example I could find showed a simple game that was very choppy.
And when the user switched focus to another card - the music stopped playing.
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The only example I could find showed a simple game that was very choppy.
And when the user switched focus to another card - the music stopped playing.
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The Pre and Pixi are on Verizon now, too, except ironically with WiFi added to both models.
The GSM versions are just starting to be sold overseas, I think. They should be on ATT soon.
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I've given several Pres and Pixis to family members on Sprint and Verizon. They love them.
And I've written custom apps for them using Palm's online web IDE called Ares. Pretty slick. No fees.
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I keep saying, put WebOS on something like the HD2 chassis, and it'd be really sweet.
It was my understanding that the Pre is now ready for Flash, however Flash is not yet available for the Pre or any other phone at the moment. I could be wrong but I thought this was just an OS update to enable the Pre to use the Flash plugin when it's relased by Adobe.
Personally I couldn't care less about Flash and the Pre can have flash, because the phone sucks. My best friend has one and it's a buggy, slow POS IMO.
Personally I couldn't care less about Flash and the Pre can have flash, because the phone sucks. My best friend has one and it's a buggy, slow POS IMO.
Proven by who?
The guys who are posting about testing Flash on the Nexus 1 are getting 3 hours of YouTube flash playback. The Nexus 1 site claims 7 hours of video playback time.
Cutting 7 hours down to 3 hours seems like a drain on the battery to me. Do you have links to different tests that prove otherwise?
(Granted, some of that loss will come from using Wifi to access Youtube, but I can't believe that accounts for THAT degree of time difference all on its own.)
If you would like us iPhone users to stop believing this myth then it would be helpful to supply us with some facts that counter it.
Forget flash. The big news is that Palm did some major surgery to the guts of WebOS. All those complaints you've heard about the user experience with WebOS, sluggish/slow UI, etc? Totally eliminated with 1.4. With all the improvements coming to WebOS, when Palm introduces their 2nd gen device later this year they'll be in position to give Apple a hard push, especially if Palm will actually do some advertising and Apple decides to ignore multitasking in iPhoneOS 4.
This is Macrumors. There are still morons here who wrongly believe Verizon's 3G is only as fast as AT&T's EDGE and they tout their "knowledge" as fact. I wouldn't expect much in the way of facts, all we can do is wait to see what people say.
My thought: We need to remember that a large chunk of iPhone users aren't technical. They will see people who own Droids and WebOS phones playing flash content and they will be upset the iPhone does not. They won't care about Steve Jobs (many probably have no idea who he is) nor will they care about flash vs. HTML5. All they'll see is other phones can and iPhone can not.
i've had iphone video experiences where my battery level dropped even though the phone was plugged in. i've tested video playback on my PC's using flash and HTML5 and there is no CPU usage difference. and this is on old 5 year old hardware.
my son can easily drain my iphone battery in a few hours playing his games
An on/off toggle solves that. By your logic, the iPhone's 3G is a battery drain compared to 2G so why include it.
On 5 year-old hardware, you would not expect to see a difference.
On modern hardware, h264 can be decoded entirely in hardware.
This is core of the issue. HTML5 is designed to take advantage of the GPU.
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Exactly. I think WebOS is pretty slick, but Palm doesn't stand a chance. The Pre was their last ditch effort. It's failing, WebOS is failing and with WinMo 7, Android and Iphone dominating the market, I don't see Palm lasting too much longer.
I think in light of today's smartphones, people hear the name "Palm" and think of the old crappy Palm Pilot and then steer clear of it towards something else. I think Rubenstein should think about changing Palm to something else and get away from the name "Palm". Just a thought.
I don't think the Palm brand is that bad. Although I don't think Palm has done a great job to communicate the cool elements of the new platform.
If you want a very confusing message. Look at Windows Mobile 7 - (Windows Phone 7 Series) which is an entirely new platform. It's not the seventh version. And it's most notable feature is... that it does not have any windows at all. It does not have "start buttons", scroll bars, or any recognisable element from the desktop OS called Windows.
If anything needs a new name. It's this.
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I'd say a LOT of that loss comes from it being online content. My iPhone battery drains fairly fast with Slingplayer but is pretty good with stored videos.
Anyway, we won't know until Adobe releases the plug-in in Palm's app store. The Pre is ready but it won't work till that happens. I'm anxious to test it out in store!
btw, count me in as someone who would love WebOS on the HD2 hardware. Sigh. Palm, please please come out with something better and soon, because I'd seriously consider it depending on OS 4.0.
That's exactly what I have been thinking about. I'm not sure about the Palm, but there are so many HTC phones that have very strong hardware. My 3G is getting very dated.
I think people just like a simple argument and they like to hate things. Of course, Apple's recent hostility towards Adobe doesn't help either.
Which is why I love my iPhone. The keyboard can rotate and the keys get slightly bigger, also showing different buttons for what you're trying to type in.
Palm might go away, but WebOS will be around for a long time to come. It's a slick OS, somebody will buy the rights to it and rehire all the WebOS engineers to continue production. I could see HTC buying it, so they push out Android, Win7, and WebOS devices.
It would be a real pity if WebOS was taken out.
The idea of building a device around web-based functionality is a good one.
In fact, in terms of philosophy, it's not a million miles away from the Chrome OS.
What I always find bizarre is the Google created the fairly conventional Android, and not something radically web-based like the Palm OS.
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