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Aoligei

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I actually have used both. I never remember where to go when I need to do something. Also, I really do not find changing settings in Settings to be difficult -- and the user interface is actually consistent with the OS's GUI -- so I think it's better than Control Panel.

Anyway, I really never understood why anyone would prefer to have two separate locations for system controls/settings. I still do not after your explanation either. It is so inefficient. I understand it has something to do with legacy software within Windows -- dating back to the DOS days -- on why it has been not been integrated. I could be wrong though.

Simple. I don’t like settings app, it tried to cramping everything into. Same thing with Mac settings app. Some settings location are not making sense.

Control panel is much easier to use, I can find what i am looking for with muscle memory.

Just for example, setting default printer. I can just go to Devices and Printer and I get glance view of all printer, I can just right click then set default. On Settings app, I need to find where printer setting located, then click Pinter and Scanner, then find printer I am looking for, then click manage, then set default.
 

ericwn

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Thanks for sharing! I have the pleasure to work with the 14” model and it’s an awesome Mac, maybe the most fun I’ve had with a Mac in a very long time.
 

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Thanks for sharing! I have the pleasure to work with the 14” model and it’s an awesome Mac, maybe the most fun I’ve had with a Mac in a very long time.
I love my 14” so much. I think it’s been under reported how nice it is to carry in the hand compared to the 16” and I take it everywhere with me.
 
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Most Windows application will default its install location into C:\Program File
80% of all my Windows apps are in Program Files (x86), only some are in Program Files.
Once again, highlighting how scattered and outdated the File System of Windows is.

Mac has all their Apps under Applications, irrespective of 32bit/64bit.

A normal user doesnt know/care what x86 means. They want to access the app, quickly.
 

Aoligei

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80% of all my Windows apps are in Program Files (x86), only some are in Program Files.
Once again, highlighting how scattered and outdated the File System of Windows is.

Mac has all their Apps under Applications, irrespective of 32bit/64bit.

A normal user doesnt know/care what x86 means. They want to access the app, quickly.

Start Menu-> Program… Done.

By the way, if you want Windows program work same was as Mac, you can just find portable one. Unzip the file, and launch the application. For example, HWINFO or CPU-Z, you only need to download zip file and unzip.

If you care to read about why there are two separate Program File Folder, you can read this:


I really can't see how having two different folders for x86 or x64 program highlights how scattered and outdated the file system of Windows. This is by design and Microsoft designed this way.

Also there are more than 1 Application folders for macOS. There is one Application folder, which you talked about, for application which installed for whole computer. You also have an Application folder that specifically for one user account. Don't you think this will also cause confusion for users?
 
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80% of all my Windows apps are in Program Files (x86), only some are in Program Files.
Once again, highlighting how scattered and outdated the File System of Windows is.

Mac has all their Apps under Applications, irrespective of 32bit/64bit.

A normal user doesnt know/care what x86 means. They want to access the app, quickly.
A normal user also shouldn't have to cope with things like registry errors, missing system files after uninstalling an application, BSODs, or driver updates.

I'm not trying to pile on Microsoft here at all. I just think Windows has ultimately hurt them by driving regular users to simpler devices. In fact, lately I feel more and more like Windows is a giant concrete weight around Microsoft's neck. Clearly they are steadily growing and improving in gaming and cloud services, and I feel like they actually do a pretty nice job with their iOS/macOS Office software. Not being a developer, I don't know what the solution here is, but Windows 11 ain't it.
 
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Aoligei

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A normal user also shouldn't have to cope with things like registry errors, missing system files after uninstalling an application, BSODs, or driver updates.

I'm not trying to pile on Microsoft here at all. I just think Windows has ultimately hurt them by driving regular users to simpler devices. In fact, lately I feel more and more like Windows is a giant concrete weight around Microsoft's neck. Clearly they are steadily growing and improving in gaming and cloud services, and I feel like they actually do a pretty nice job with their iOS/macOS Office software. Not being a developer, I don't know what the solution here is, but Windows 11 ain't it.

Registry errors are very rare and it doesn't occur frequently at all. I haven't ever encountered registry error in my entire life, which I have been using computer since DOS era. BSOD is even less frequent right now.

Device driver is used regardless of Operating System. If you ever experienced Hackintosh, you have put all kinds of kernel extensions on your EFI folder, these are essentially devices drivers. I would say Windows handles driver much easier than MacOS. I have really never encountered driver problem with Windows, windows updates usually takes care of driver installation.

But if you have a devices that is incompatible with Mac, then you are **** out of luck, that just how things is.
 

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Registry errors are very rare and it doesn't occur frequently at all. I haven't ever encountered registry error in my entire life, which I have been using computer since DOS era. BSOD is even less frequent right now.

Device driver is used regardless of Operating System. If you ever experienced Hackintosh, you have put all kinds of kernel extensions on your EFI folder, these are essentially devices drivers. I would say Windows handles driver much easier than MacOS. I have really never encountered driver problem with Windows, windows updates usually takes care of driver installation.

But if you have a devices that is incompatible with Mac, then you are **** out of luck, that just how things is.
I dare you say one negative thing about Windows
 
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kasakka

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A normal user also shouldn't have to cope with things like registry errors, missing system files after uninstalling an application, BSODs, or driver updates.

I'm not trying to pile on Microsoft here at all. I just think Windows has ultimately hurt them by driving regular users to simpler devices. In fact, lately I feel more and more like Windows is a giant concrete weight around Microsoft's neck. Clearly they are steadily growing and improving in gaming and cloud services, and I feel like they actually do a pretty nice job with their iOS/macOS Office software. Not being a developer, I don't know what the solution here is, but Windows 11 ain't it.
A normal user honestly does not have to deal with any of those. Even driver updates are handled mostly automatically nowadays either through vendor updates or Windows Update itself. I haven't seen a registry error issue or missing system files in a long time on my PC.

My Macbook Pro kernel panicked (the equivalent of BSOD) yesterday. It's a rare occurrence on both operating systems in my experience.

It's just two operating systems with different sets of issues. For example:

MacOS has garbage tier handling for external displays where you are very likely to encounter issues the moment you move to any more advanced displays with high refresh rates, HDR, HDMI 2.1 or DSC. Windows handles those like a champ by comparison. Even just running Windows on an Intel Macbook Pro!

Windows on the other hand is very rigid in how and where applications are installed and still relies on that garbage next-next-next-finish installation wizard scheme. Its handling of permission elevation also sucks because you see that "app requests admin rights" dialog so often that you basically ignore its security implications at this point just so you can use a fairly normal app.

There's a whole lot of inconveniences on both operating systems overall. I do prefer MacOS. It's pretty stagnant in terms of feature updates but most of the stuff I use everyday works alright.

But for everyday stuff I feel Windows is perfectly fine too. I use Windows on my gaming PC and don't mind it at all. For my work as a developer MacOS is more convenient because it's more similar to a unix environment whereas Microsoft's valiant efforts in offering similar things are still more hacky than I'd like.

Windows hardware is hit and miss. I am extremely disappointed in the Razer laptop I bought for my gf. The design is very Macbook Pro-ish but the battery had to be replaced within 1.5 years and it's pretty noisy unless you limit its performance. Not unlike my Intel MBP in that regard tho. Windows laptop makers often do shady **** like bundle apps you don't want or have awful performance hogging apps of their own to do stupid **** like control some RGB lighting. I would definitely think twice buying a Windows laptop but have been building my own desktop PCs for ages. Even ran Hackintosh at one point but went back to Windows because I got tired switching between the two OS.

Apple hardware is often less than ideal. The new Macbook Pros have very poor pixel response times, not being able to swap SSDs for standard M.2 parts to upgrade/repair storage is downright ******** and all the upgrades from Apple are overpriced. The dongle hell with USB-C is real. Apple displays not being compatible with PCs sucks as you can't adjust things easily. There's not enough display outputs on Mac Mini/Studio (taking away precious TB ports) and the limitations on the number of displays simultaneously are awful when any desktop PC can generally handle at least 3-4 screens with a budget tier discrete GPU.

Forums like this often go into fanboy mode which is no good for anyone. It's fine to like something and still criticize it for what it doesn't do well.
 

Bodhitree

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My most recent experience with Windows was finding a registry hack for my father’s home PC in order to allow it to run Windows 11 (and its only a few years old). Perfect case in point.

My most recent PC machine was a Dell XPS laptop, and the keyboard started losing keys after several years of not very intensive use. This was back around 2009.
 
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