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Maconplasma

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Not today, but possibly in the future. Microsoft is starting to design its own ARM chips. It's possible in a few years to see competitive performance with Windows on ARM.
Just think about what you’re saying. “In a few years....”. You do realize in a few years Apple will be even further on top of their game in their processors right? Let’s not forget that Apple has had years of experience making their own processors with the iPhone and iPad. Your post sounds like you don’t want Apple to win. Kinda bizarre.
 

leman

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Not today, but possibly in the future. Microsoft is starting to design its own ARM chips. It's possible in a few years to see competitive performance with Windows on ARM.

Apple has been designing CPUs for a decade now. It’s not just something you get into from this day to another. Building up an microarchitecture takes years and years. I mean, Intel is still building on the Pentium M design after what, 20 years?
 

adderthorn

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Looking at the A-series chips - it seems to me that Apple hasn't stopped innovating, at least in chip design. If we get the same level of effort in the M-series as the A-series; then the future looks bright and AMD and Intel are going to have to work a lot harder.
And I hope they do work hard! I think another thing we need is new Fabs. Right now everyone is using TSMC for chips, except Intel who uses its own. And Intel is having a hard time getting past 14nm and there are rumors it will start looking into TSMC as well. One producer having that much control is worrying.
Apple has been designing CPUs for a decade now. It’s not just something you get into from this day to another. Building up an microarchitecture takes years and years. I mean, Intel is still building on the Pentium M design after what, 20 years?
Yes and no. They built on top of ARM, which is quite mature. They did add a lot of "secret sauce" and optimizations on top of ARM, but the base is still there. There are also a lot of advancements with RISC-V, which might have a future.
 

lightfire

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I was actually hoping to slowly switch. Mostly due to recent Windows frustration but I also like new tech.
To sum it up: Curently, there is no way to switch to Apple M1 Big Sur in totality. I am far more proficient in Windows.

A lot of MacOS just is not intuitive. Some things are. An example is I wanted to simply make a bootable USB stick...really? Must run Linux commands? It should be a menu driven item. Plus the M1 hung-up and wouldn’t recognize the USB stick after I partitioned/formatted it on the M1. I had to take it to a win pc and re-partition it to make it work,and then it took multiple re-boots of the M1 Air to get it to recognize the USB drive. Random programs pop up like dictionary, for no reason, hunting to find simple utility, etc. Not ready for prime time productivity IMO. And God forbid one lose their Apple ID password. Apple will tell you it may take days to re-gain entry. Also, want to re-install the operating system and use a different Apple ID? Good luck with that. Some make it work, but I tried everything Apple suggested as well as the many multiple threads on the subject and the Air basically was unusable afterwards.

I have gone through a MacBook M1 Air and a Pro. I sent the Air back. I think the Pro has much better screen. Don’t know if it was a single issue or this is the way it is. I like and think I will keep the Macbook Pro M1, but can’t give up windows. At some point perhaps I will want to and can switch entirely, as Windows has it’s share of issues.
 

pshufd

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I was actually hoping to slowly switch. Mostly due to recent Windows frustration but I also like new tech.
To sum it up: Curently, there is no way to switch to Apple M1 Big Sur in totality. I am far more proficient in Windows.

A lot of MacOS just is not intuitive. Some things are. An example is I wanted to simply make a bootable USB stick...really? Must run Linux commands? It should be a menu driven item. Plus the M1 hung-up and wouldn’t recognize the USB stick after I partitioned/formatted it on the M1. I had to take it to a win pc and re-partition it to make it work,and then it took multiple re-boots of the M1 Air to get it to recognize the USB drive. Random programs pop up like dictionary, for no reason, hunting to find simple utility, etc. Not ready for prime time productivity IMO. And God forbid one lose their Apple ID password. Apple will tell you it may take days to re-gain entry. Also, want to re-install the operating system and use a different Apple ID? Good luck with that. Some make it work, but I tried everything Apple suggested as well as the many multiple threads on the subject and the Air basically was unusable afterwards.

I have gone through a MacBook M1 Air and a Pro. I sent the Air back. I think the Pro has much better screen. Don’t know if it was a single issue or this is the way it is. I like and think I will keep the Macbook Pro M1, but can’t give up windows. At some point perhaps I will want to and can switch entirely, as Windows has it’s share of issues.

You could use both. Just put a Mac and a Windows together and tie them together using Synergy and go back and forth; you eventually learn both.
 
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Lethen

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Sure. They may be able to match the M1's performance in four or five years. But they'll be competing with the M4 or M5.
Apples lead in mobile SOCs is not 4-5 years!! It’s more like 1-1.5 years.

Qualcomm’s snapdragon 888 is already close to A14 and M1 is closely related to A14.

It will most likely not take Qualcomm 4-5 years before they can create an M1 competitor.

I don’t mind that Apple is at M2 or M3 at that time when M1 performance is more than enough for my daily use.
 

Jouls

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Qualcomm’s snapdragon 888 is already close to A14 and M1 is closely related to A14.
Not quite. Even the A13 is still faster than the Snapdragon 888.
Anandtech:
While the Snapdragon 888 doesn’t look like it’ll match the peak performance scores of the A13 or A14 SoCs used in Apple's iPhones,
 
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pshufd

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Apples lead in mobile SOCs is not 4-5 years!! It’s more like 1-1.5 years.

Qualcomm’s snapdragon 888 is already close to A14 and M1 is closely related to A14.

It will most likely not take Qualcomm 4-5 years before they can create an M1 competitor.

I don’t mind that Apple is at M2 or M3 at that time when M1 performance is more than enough for my daily use.


Qualcomm is just going to give Microsoft their IP?
 

onfire23

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Not quite. Even the A13 is still faster than the Snapdragon 888.
Only in Single core. In multicore snapdragon 888 is faster than A13 by quite a bit. It is also supposed to be more power efficient according to Andrei F. A77 in snapdragon's 865 already compared favaroubly in perf/watt against Lightening cores of A13 bionic.

He was comparing the graphics performance when he said that the snapdragon 888's peak would be lower than A13. But he also added that the Snapdragon 888's GPU is expected to have higher sustained performance than A14 and take the smartphone GPU crown.
 
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Jouls

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My bad, you are right that he wrote my quote about the GPU.

But ...
He was comparing the graphics performance when he said that the snapdragon 888's peak would be lower than A13. But he also added that the Snapdragon 888's GPU is expected to have higher sustained performance than A14 and take the smartphone GPU crown
He actually didn’t write, that the 888 is expected to gain higher sustained performance. There is a substantial if attached to that:
sustained performance will depend quite a bit on the power consumption of the chip. If this lands in at between 4 and 4.5W, then the majority of flagship Android phones in 2021 will likely be able to sustain this peak performance figure and allow Qualcomm to regain the mobile performance crown from Apple. Otherwise if the chip has to significantly throttle, then 888 will probably fall short of retaking the crown.
 

pshufd

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Why does anyone care about Qualcomm?

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Maconplasma

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Why does anyone care about Qualcomm?

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Yeah Microsoft is ALWAYS DOING something. Apple has DONE IT. Microsoft tried it's hand with the Zune to compete with the iPod. Failure. Microsoft tried to compete with the iPhone with Windows Phone. Failure. Microsoft's own version of Windows-ARM is lukewarm received. Even the Surface desktop (iMac clone) has been a failure.
 
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pshufd

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Of course you wouldn't say it's intuitive. Like I said you're too Windows-centric. A lot of what Windows does it so very wrong but diehard Windows fans are so used to it they automatically say MacOS does it wrong.

I've been using Macs since the 1980s. And I used a Lisa in the early 1980s.

What is intuitive about Shift-Command-4 to take a window capture?

Other operating systems I've used: HP-UX, Linux, VMS, Solaris, OS/360, RSTS-11, RSX, RT11, Multics, etc.
 
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phantom13

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Of course you wouldn't say it's intuitive. Like I said you're too Windows-centric. A lot of what Windows does it so very wrong but diehard Windows fans are so used to it they automatically say MacOS does it wrong.
You’re too Mac centric. I use both and windows is leaps and bounds more intuitive than it used to be and it gives macOS a run for its money. These days it’s more about preference
 

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Windows is more intuitive to Windows users, Mac to Mac users, Linux to Linux users, etc.

Three things I love about my new experience with Mac - (1) the hardware; (2) the trackpad and gestures; (3) the terminal
 

turbineseaplane

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As much as I love the Mac and macOS, I don't really find it super intuitive, particularly when I watch less skilled users interact with it.

It's lost a lot of it's guiding principles and simplicity over the many years if you ask me.

I still love it - but I'm not able to be objective about its' approachability as I just know all the ins and outs, mostly by heart.
 
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MBAir2010

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are we allowed to use a window device to post here?
Windows has some conveniences and some of their PC manufactures manufacture reliable and sturdy notebooks. Apple seems more fun tho, and syncs better within their eco-system as everyone knows.
I remember ridding a Kawasaki Motorcycle during the 1990's and getting grief from Harley riders
Now the consensus is if you ride, you ride!
maybe the computer world might have this attitude within a couple of decades or so.
 

Maconplasma

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You’re too Mac centric. I use both and windows is leaps and bounds more intuitive than it used to be and it gives macOS a run for its money. These days it’s more about preference
Windows may be better than before but it's not intuitive. How many years has Windows not been able to allow the user to easily create their own file names without following stupid rules? MacOS has never had a problem allowing users to change file names to whatever they want. And please don't switch it to me calling me Mac-Centric. I'm on a Mac forum. ?
 

pshufd

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Windows may be better than before but it's not intuitive. How many years has Windows not been able to allow the user to easily create their own file names without following stupid rules? MacOS has never had a problem allowing users to change file names to whatever they want. And please don't switch it to me calling me Mac-Centric. I'm on a Mac forum. ?

I'll do you one better. VMS has a versioning file system.
 

pshufd

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Windows may be better than before but it's not intuitive. How many years has Windows not been able to allow the user to easily create their own file names without following stupid rules? MacOS has never had a problem allowing users to change file names to whatever they want. And please don't switch it to me calling me Mac-Centric. I'm on a Mac forum. ?

macOS isn't intuitive.

If you put a complete beginner in front of it and turn it on, will they be able to do whatever computing they need to do on it?
 
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