PC vs. Mac Pro?

[flat five]

as in--

im doing this:

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so in conclusion, I was completely wrong about applying the law of diminishing in the examples I've used.

feet -> mouth. :embarrassed:

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I would still say the law applies to computing though (computing in the sense that a computer is a tool which a person uses to complete a task)...

as in- buying one CPU helps me the most.. after that, each CPU I add helps ME less and less.. it's value does actually diminish in the sense of law-of-diminishing-returns.. simply because there are much more factors involved than just processing time.

if that weren't true and core count is actually linear in regards to my time, then _that_ would be awesome.. I could work 20hrs per week instead of 40 simply by investing in a 12core vs 6core.. 24core is even better because I now only work 10hrs etc.

but it doesn't work out that way-- there truly is a diminishing return on CPU investment (in most real world scenarios-- certainly the scenarios involving rendering, photo, animation, graphics, etc)

 

[AidenShaw]

Back to the original topic....

Is it true that you could get a much better PC for the same price a Mac Pro would cost? Someone I know has been saying so... but then I see all these people saying how great the Mac Pro is...

It is always nice to see people demanding you to built an equivalent PC with ECC and Xeon processors.

Since I've had almost a week with my new Xeon workstation - let me summarize my thoughts on the original topic. I'll compare the Dell T3610 that I bought with the base Mac Pro upgraded to hex core and 3 year AppleCare.

I'll put it in tabular form, with a warning that it's subjective. The "winner" in each line is shaded green. A pink shade means that it's a "winner", but the item is not important or useful to me. ("Better" means diddly squat if you don't need it.) No shading means not significantly different (again, to me).

You don't have to DIY to get a system that may be much better for you than the restricted Apples, and much cheaper.

And quiet - the only time I can hear the T3610 is when one of the optical drives is spinning - the rest of the time it's inaudible under the background HVAC sounds.

 

[Phonzoxd]

Since I've had almost a week with my new Xeon workstation - let me summarize my thoughts on the original topic. I'll compare the Dell T3610 that I bought with the base Mac Pro upgraded to hex core and 3 year AppleCare.

I'll put it in tabular form, with a warning that it's subjective. The "winner" in each line is shaded green. A pink shade means that it's a "winner", but the item is not important or useful to me. ("Better" means diddly squat if you don't need it.) No shading means not significantly different (again, to me).

You don't have to DIY to get a system that may be much better for you than the restricted Apples, and much cheaper.

And quiet - the only time I can hear the T3610 is when one of the optical drives is spinning - the rest of the time it's inaudible under the background HVAC sounds.

Yes but all this doesnt matter because your PC will break down 3 years or run super slow, and you have to use Windows

/Sarcasm.

Edit: Oh, and it'll look ugly.

 

[handsome pete]

Well I already earned some money with my workstation while you are still ordering the parts.
I while be working while you are still configuring your Hackintosh OS or trying to get rid of your unneeded apps on your Dell or HP.
The Mac works out of the box. Take that time into consideration. It's the most expensive piece of all.

Look, I like the new Mac Pro a lot, but you're spewing nonsense. How's this for a counter... I'll be earning more money and finishing more jobs when my 16 core machine finishes my renders in half the time. See how that works?

And the HP and Dell workstations don't come with all the bloat ware. They work right out of the box too, as does every other workstation manufacturer.

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so in conclusion, I was completely wrong about applying the law of diminishing in the examples I've used.

feet -> mouth. :embarrassed:

That's ok. We still like you.

 

[flat five]

That's ok. We still like you.

ha. thanks.

doesn't necessarily sweeten the humble pie i'm eating but whatever, i deserve it.

 

[koban4max]

Is it true that you could get a much better PC for the same price a Mac Pro would cost? Someone I know has been saying so... but then I see all these people saying how great the Mac Pro is...

P.S. This is not a fight and does not require bashing other computers. It's a question. Level-headed comments are definitely a plus.

pc has a worst OS... doesn't matter about spec wise...

 

[beaker7]

pc has a worst OS... doesn't matter about spec wise...

Nor grammar-wise.

 

[simsaladimbamba]

pc has a worst OS... doesn't matter about spec wise...

A Mac is a PC too.

There is not really a worst OS objectively when it comes to just Windows and Mac OS X. They both have their merits and pitfalls, and sometimes they do not suit everybody.

 

[MH01]

pc has a worst OS... doesn't matter about spec wise...

Awesome argument there.

I just use the right tool for the right application. Some of my applications are on mac some on PC.

 

[0x2102]

Since I've had almost a week with my new Xeon workstation - let me summarize my thoughts on the original topic. I'll compare the Dell T3610 that I bought with the base Mac Pro upgraded to hex core and 3 year AppleCare.

I'll put it in tabular form, with a warning that it's subjective. The "winner" in each line is shaded green. A pink shade means that it's a "winner", but the item is not important or useful to me. ("Better" means diddly squat if you don't need it.) No shading means not significantly different (again, to me).

You don't have to DIY to get a system that may be much better for you than the restricted Apples, and much cheaper.

And quiet - the only time I can hear the T3610 is when one of the optical drives is spinning - the rest of the time it's inaudible under the background HVAC sounds.

The "winner" seems to be an easy one here...but why do you think we would still buy the new Mac Pro over a Dell/HP etc?

 

[AidenShaw]

The "winner" seems to be an easy one here...but why do you think we would still buy the new Mac Pro over a Dell/HP etc?

It's shinier? People like shiny things.

 

[MH01]

The "winner" seems to be an easy one here...but why do you think we would still buy the new Mac Pro over a Dell/HP etc?

For the OS. Design/style.

I find a lot of people do not even consider an alternative , it must be a mac and only a mac, the only price considerations is what spec to get.

Macs have never had the best hardware nor dollar/performance bang for the buck, people bought them cause back in the day they just worked, while listening to people stories on here , owning a PC was a horrible experience and these former prisoners of Microsoft will never go back!

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It's shinier? People like shiny things.

And sexy..... If you just look at the front

 

[Phonzoxd]

It's shinier? People like shiny things.

It pretty much the only reason I do want one.

That and it has a pretty OS. Not functionally better, but Pretty.

 

[AidenShaw]

And sexy..... If you just look at the front

Yeah - the back is like looking at the back end of a dog. The functional ports, but not pretty.

 

[koban4max]

Nor grammar-wise.

Thank you teacher!

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A Mac is a PC too.

There is not really a worst OS objectively when it comes to just Windows and Mac OS X. They both have their merits and pitfalls, and sometimes they do not suit everybody.

Sure mac is a PC....but it's not windows...anyhow..
osx is more stable than windows...IMO

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Awesome argument there.

I just use the right tool for the right application. Some of my applications are on mac some on PC.

Thanks..i knew you would agree.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Since I've had almost a week with my new Xeon workstation - let me summarize my thoughts on the original topic. I'll compare the Dell T3610 that I bought with the base Mac Pro upgraded to hex core and 3 year AppleCare.

I'll put it in tabular form, with a warning that it's subjective. The "winner" in each line is shaded green. A pink shade means that it's a "winner", but the item is not important or useful to me. ("Better" means diddly squat if you don't need it.) No shading means not significantly different (again, to me).

You don't have to DIY to get a system that may be much better for you than the restricted Apples, and much cheaper.

And quiet - the only time I can hear the T3610 is when one of the optical drives is spinning - the rest of the time it's inaudible under the background HVAC sounds.

Again the 2013 Mac Pro can & does support 128GB of RAM. Apple is conservative on the Max amount of RAM depending on the largest capacity RAM sticks available during that time. You can get 32GB sticks right now which can go into the 4 RAM slots.

 

[MH01]

Thanks..i knew you would agree.

Actually, I completely disagree.

Good luck understanding the difference between hardware and software.

By the way , if you run windows on a mac, does the mac all the sudden become crap and crash?? If so blame apple, they wrote the drivers

 

[Phonzoxd]

Actually, I completely disagree.

Good luck understanding the difference between hardware and software.

By the way , if you run windows on a mac, does the mac all the sudden become crap and crash?? If so blame apple, they wrote the drivers

When you install windows on Mac hardware, it auto destructs in 3 years.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

When you install windows on Mac hardware, it auto destructs in 3 years.

OH GOD! What have I done! It'll be just after my apple care expires! NOOOOOOoooooooo!!

That's how they plan on getting us to upgrade constantly.

 

[simsaladimbamba]

When you install windows on Mac hardware, it auto destructs in 3 years.

No, it does not.

I know, this is just a joke, but sometimes people really think, Windows is that bad, they have to ridicule it. Hell, I dislike Windows, but that is purely due to it and me not being on the same wavelength.

 

[AidenShaw]

You are wrong.

Again the 2013 Mac Pro can & does support 128GB of RAM. Apple is conservative on the Max amount of RAM depending on the largest capacity RAM sticks available during that time. You can get 32GB sticks right now which can go into the 4 RAM slots.

http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/ (screen cap as attachment)

Only 64 GiB is supported.

And to point out the obvious absurdity in your post - if you put those 32 GiB DIMMs in the Dell you'll have 256 GiB. Still double what the new Mini Pro can use.

 

[Jacksonc]

http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/ (screen cap as attachment)

Only 64 GiB is supported.

You can configure it with up to 64gb from Apple, but it supports up to 128gb.

 

[simsaladimbamba]

http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/ (screen cap as attachment)

Only 64 GiB is supported.

Officially, by Apple, but then again, Apple often does not tell the whole truth with maximum RAM capacities for their Macs, where RAM was user replaceable.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/1333D3Z3M128/

 

[Jacksonc]

Officially, by Apple, but then again, Apple often does not tell the whole truth with maximum RAM capacities for their Macs, where RAM was user replaceable.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/1333D3Z3M128/

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but it seems like Phil Schiller said at the October special event that it supports 128gb? Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[simsaladimbamba]

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but it seems like Phil Schiller said at the October special event that it supports 128gb? Maybe I'm wrong.

You can always take a look here.