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As it becomes more and more automated, the cost of labor will be less and less prohibitive. A factory full of robots is eventually just as viable in the US as it is in China.

These are my thoughts as well. If you only have a few people to supervise the machines it would make sense to pay them better. Plus moving the entire facility would provide a tremendous opportunity to redesign everything with automation in mind. Especially with the incentive of dramatically increased labor costs.
 
It would be nice if manufacturing came back to the US.
Some things would have to change to support this.
Look at how our businesses work now.
They have to return great dividends to their shareholders.
To attract the best management they have to pay the top brass many thousands of times the pay
that the line worker gets.
Apple charges top dollars for their phones.
Meanwhile Americans work more hours for less money and less benefits than their European counterparts.
And the US is the largest debtor nation in the world.
Something has to give.
 
No there isn't.

American workers, especially millennials, literally won't do this type of work, at ANY price.

What a silly statement. I'd be willing to work there if it comes with some benefits like full health insurance and a minimal wage that's reasonable (10-15$), which is doable as we do have a lot of factories in US making stuff and many are paying decent prices.

In addition, some of the unemployed friends I know would do the same. They have AS/BS degrees and yet, no one is hiring them, and when they look for jobs that apparently is too "overqualified" for them, they won't get hired there either. At this stage, they are willing to do anything as long as it pays and have health insurance if it is a labor type of job. IIRC, some went into construction already.
 
Where are they going to get the people to do this? It'd have to be in areas where is a decent amount of land as well as a state that may be tax-break friendly. Personally, if for some reason they'd open a site in Brookshire, TX, I'd move there if the pay was well and assemble equipment. ND or NE? No thanks...
 
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I don't get why US pols always claim "bringing back jobs" will solve our issues. We made a conscious decision to offshore jobs to benefit our economy. The problem was we did not use the money from those saving on our infrastructure...WHERE WORK IS DESPERATELY NEEDED!!!! Instead we squandered it on wars.

Now we have a crumbling infrastructure that will cost billions to repair.... money we no longer have.
 
And by the way..all you did was use google, took an article from 2012 to get your 2.50/hour rate which includes OT. lol

the wages for an average worker who is just starting out at Foxconn is much much less.

Actually, the wages for an average worker who is just starting out at Foxconn in 2017 are much, much higher than wages in 2012. Foxconn isn't going to find anyone anymore for $2.50 an hour in China. And while that number looks low, living cost in China is low as well.
 
Except these factory jobs are likely to require skilled technicians and engineers to run a highly complex automated factory, not workers on a production line of assembling phones. The shop floor workers will most likely do some minor assembly but it won't be a return to the old days where lots of workers churned out product. Besides cost production volume requirements will drive automation to avoid issues like plagued the Mac Pro where the production line couldn't meet demand.

US manufacturing's future is high tech automated production operated by skilled staff with minimal human work on the line; except for possibly high end expensive or custom items where production costs are much less of the final price. As much as many people believe factory jobs like in the 50's and 60's will come back it isn't going to happen; especially since consumers don't want to pay the premium.
50's and 60's? We had manufacturing jobs here aplenty as late as the 90's. We are still hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs. There are articles describing in painful detail recent accounts of workers being asked to train the foreign replacements who will be taking their jobs when factories are relocated to other countries.

Meanwhile, I've been reading article after article on my Apple Newsfeed about my generation and younger dying off due to drug use. There was an article yesterday about how police are having to become social workers in a sense, to deal with the explosive drug problem in many areas of the country. I don't think that the loss of jobs and the growing drug problem are unrelated, given that the problems seem worse in former industrial towns.

I'm the daughter of an Asian immigrant, but that immigrant (now a citizen) raised me to "be American and buy American" when feasible. I've kept to cars manufactured right here in the US. And while I have done my fair share of complaining about the rising costs of iPhones, I would feel happy to buy one at a premium that was made in my country. Providing that the quality is up to standard and the NSA doesn't load it up with spyware ala Cisco ;) : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ain-about-nsa-intercepting-its-hardware.shtml
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I can't ever say I'm always thrilled with our government, especially the part of it that is not elected and beyond any checks and balances on its power and reach. But I do care about my fellow citizens and our problems. I care about other parts of the world, too, but it's easier to start with the problems in your own backyard. And it's possible to sometimes address both.

I'm older and at a place in life where I can do this. I might not always be. And it certainly would have been a financial hardship when I was in my thirties and younger. So I am understanding that this is not an appealing idea to a lot of people or to Apple. I'm just speaking for myself here, of what I'd like to see and be able to do. An ideal. But I know we don't live in a world where ideals can always be realized. It is what it is.
 
Yeah OR corporate greed and miserable, whiny shareholders who are never happy "priced" it out of the industry. Why do companies have to be such cheap bastards? C'mon, pay people well and much of it comes back via extra spending. Apple tends to be a bleeding heart company when it comes to social issues so Im shocked they arent more keen on "sharing" profits via higher wages. Guess their "bleeding heart" agenda only applies to transgender bathroom & sexuality issues. Great.
An excellent opportunity for Tim to show his real commitment to all those social issues he likes to very publicly support. Let's see how truly committed he is to social justice in the face of angry shareholders.

I'm hazarding to guess he's going to pick higher compensation and more stock options over jobs for Americans.
 
To "GrumpyMom":

Just in case you don't realise: Your avatar is Joanna Lumley aka "Patsy", who would never, ever, be a mother, grumpy or not. You should switch to Jennifer Saunders aka "Edina Monsoon" which is probably the grumpiest of all mothers.
 
So, no iPhone manufacturing in the US.

Sorry American workers: you priced yourself out of this industry.

Easy to do, when you live in a country with a high cost of living.

Looking at the current low U.S. unemployment rate, it looks like many American workers moved on to better, higher paid jobs. Good on them!
 
To "GrumpyMom":

Just in case you don't realise: Your avatar is Joanna Lumley aka "Patsy", who would never, ever, be a mother, grumpy or not. You should switch to Jennifer Saunders aka "Edina Monsoon" which is probably the grumpiest of all mothers.
Oh I know. I'm a huge fan of the show. I don't watch tv anymore, but when I did, I watched Ab Fab. The funny thing is my hair is that color, I call it "southern fried blonde" for myself, but I fortunately had the restraint not to adopt the Ivana Trump updo. My single childless sister in law would be a great Patsy and yeah, I could be Edina if you wanted to match situations better. But Sis looks like Edina more and I look like Patsy more. So if we ever dress up for Halloween we'd have to play opposite to our real situations. And she is even more grumpy than I am. Way, way more grumpy. Whoa. She is grumpy. I'm Mary Poppins in comparison.
 
Where? That would have to be a pretty big operation to support the volume not to mention the people capital needed. Where is this production line? What state?

I think what he was trying to imply is that Pegatron is capable of scaling up and down as needed and is ready and capable of setting up a factory wherever, as long as the numbers are right. As CEO, he's adhering to the tactic of "Always be selling yourself."
 
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Any theoretical American production would be done by ROBOTS not people! Apple will take opportunity to increase margins. Its all BS. Just another effort by Apple/Foxconn to milk U S taxpayers and consumers. (BTW I've owned Apple products since original Mac in 1984)
 
American workers, especially millennials, literally won't do this type of work, at ANY price.

The oldest millennial is now 37 (presuming their birthday has passed since Jan 1), as the general consensus is that the millennial generation began in 1980. Not wanting to sound like a jerk here, but if you're 30 years of age or 37, for that matter, and working a menial factory job that won't ever be unionized, you're in for a world of hurt later in life, and have no one to blame but yourself. These factory tasks would be better suited for people in the 18-24 bracket or even legal migrants with little grasp of the English language and or those trying to make ends meet whilst not having the educational or skill background to go down a better and more rewarding career path.
 
50's and 60's? We had manufacturing jobs here aplenty as late as the 90's. We are still hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs. There are articles describing in painful detail recent accounts of workers being asked to train the foreign replacements who will be taking their jobs when factories are relocated to other countries.

Quite true, I was referring to the heyday of industrial manufacturing when much of what we bought was made in the US, from cars to toasters.

I'm the daughter of an Asian immigrant, but that immigrant (now a citizen) raised me to "be American and buy American" when feasible. I've kept to cars manufactured right here in the US. And while I have done my fair share of complaining about the rising costs of iPhones, I would feel happy to buy one at a premium that was made in my country.

While I also try to buy American when it is either affordable or of clearly better quality, that isn't always easy. With cars, for example, a BMW might be US made and a Ford foreign; and even in the US made one there are plenty of non-US parts.

Thee question is show much of a premium are people willing to pay? I saw an article discussing a company that makes swimsuits in the US at a cost of 4x5 times that overseas. People loved the suits but thought they were expensive; the shop that made them said basically once a company expands past small batches they can't compete with overseas manufacturing.

It's a complex problem that promises alone can't fix and tariffs aren't the answer either. As you point out, the job loss has significant social impact as well.

It's not just manufacturing. For all the talk of a war on coal in the eastern US the real culprit is cheap natural gas and cheap western coal pricing them out of the market.
 
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Actually, the wages for an average worker who is just starting out at Foxconn in 2017 are much, much higher than wages in 2012. Foxconn isn't going to find anyone anymore for $2.50 an hour in China. And while that number looks low, living cost in China is low as well.
thank you - any conversation about wages has to take into the account the location (country/state) we are talking about - in my country a 'good' salary is around $ 420 (USD) a month -with this - people are able to support themselves (rent, food, utility bills, etc) - so now, how many people in the US will work 8-10 hours a day for $ 100 a week? not many but in other countries dollars get you a lot further.
 
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50's and 60's? We had manufacturing jobs here aplenty as late as the 90's. We are still hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs. There are articles describing in painful detail recent accounts of workers being asked to train the foreign replacements who will be taking their jobs when factories are relocated to other countries.

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We were hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs. The total number of manufacturing jobs has stabilized now, and is actually slowly growing.

For about 10 years we were (on-net) losing manufacturing jobs at a high rate. We went from around 17 million in 2001 to about 11-1/2 million in 2010. But between 2010 and 2016 we added (on-net) nearly a million manufacturing jobs. And for December, the last month that we have a report for, the BLS reported 325,000 manufacturing job openings. That's the highest number for a December in 15 years.

The nature of the available manufacturing jobs and where they are located may be changing, but we aren't - for now - losing them anymore.
 
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Apple has a factory in Austin and they're manufacturing Mac Pros there right now. There's always going to be demand for these jobs.

Yah, and don't they manufacture the Mac mini in the US, too? Both products have not seen an update in 3 years. Wonder if that is due to it being too costly to retool the US factories for updated products? Foxconn, etc. have built their factories to be able to retool quickly.
 
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