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How would you take a photo like this with your iPhone camera?
Pretty simple snap shot for most real cameras to take.
Pretty simple snap shot for most real cameras to take.
Heh... That only goes so far. The new stuff has to be better.As long as photographers have Gear Aquisition Syndrome, the market will stay steady
Bought a new $900 50mm lens recently that was supposed to be the sharpest available. But then I compared it to my old (and much smaller) $300 Nikkor 50mm 1.4D lens from 13 years ago. Identical performance on the D750, but the older glass was clearly sharper when paired with the higher resolution sensor of the D850.
Back to the shop it went...
Perhaps but examples of the iPhone's ability are quite shocking
https://iphonephotographyschool.com/nature-images/
Long exposures are possible on an iPhone using Live Photos - see https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/take-long-exposure-photos-your-iphone-ios-11-0177938/How would you take a photo like this with your iPhone camera?
Pretty simple snap shot for most real cameras to take.
& https://iphonephotographyschool.com/live-photos-long-exposure/
Obviously IQ will not be up to DSLR standards, but still it is possible
Cheers
Hugh
Possible, but isn't the aperture fixed? Makes for an unbalanced exposure triangle IMO! But not a problem for all those instergramer youngens!Long exposures are possible on an iPhone using Live Photos - see https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/take-long-exposure-photos-your-iphone-ios-11-0177938/
& https://iphonephotographyschool.com/live-photos-long-exposure/
Obviously IQ will not be up to DSLR standards, but still it is possible
Cheers
Hugh
You're right of course, but I was just being cheeky in suggesting using these things for long exposure.
I will have a go myself when I find some running (not frozen) waters to shoot, but not expecting stellar quality.
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Hugh
Unlikely in Kent! I hear you have the worst of the weather! Hardly an inch here.You're right of course, but I was just being cheeky in suggesting using these things for long exposure.
I will have a go myself when I find some running (not frozen) waters to shoot, but not expecting stellar quality.
Cheers
Hugh
Yeah, about 4-5 inches so far, but what really counts is no waterfalls anywhere near. I need a camper van trip to the Trossachs
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Hugh
Get yourself a custom transit instead!Yeah, about 4-5 inches so far, but what really counts is no waterfalls anywhere near. I need a camper van trip to the Trossachs
Cheers
Hugh
Or now you're retired you could always do what @Doylem did and just go on tour for the next few years!
Me? I'll be back to work in the morning.
I think my image was around a 12 second exposure, which is more than Live PHotos will do.Long exposures are possible on an iPhone using Live Photos - see https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/take-long-exposure-photos-your-iphone-ios-11-0177938/
& https://iphonephotographyschool.com/live-photos-long-exposure/
Obviously IQ will not be up to DSLR standards, but still it is possible
Cheers
Hugh
The bottom line is the camera’s in phones are impressive for what they are, but nothing compared to a interchangeable lense system will full manual controls. I work with lenses from 14mm wide angle to 600 mm telephoto, and macro. Well beyond anything you could do with a phone.
When we start to see sports photographers on the sidelines of an NFL came only using iPhones, or professional wedding photographers using a cell phone then maybe you will have some merit.
What I find interesting every year that I look at these stats is the sales numbers on the interchangeable lens (ILC) cameras. I.e. - DSLR's and mirrorless. They haven't dropped much. Unfortunately we do not have data prior to 2010, but I digress.
Comparing 2010 and 2017, the sales of ILC cameras have only dropped 9.30%. The big rise from ~2011-2013 I believe was artificial and caused by smartphones. It was around that time that smartphone cameras had just started getting "good enough," yet they left just enough to be desired to send newly minted "photographers" out to purchase a "real camera." Ignoring that little three year blip, ILC sales seem to generally be stable. In fact, year over year, they are up.
As we all have been seeing happen for years now, the point and shoot market is the one that has been getting decimated by cell phones. The types of folks that need professional gear (read: ILC cameras) don't seem to be resorting to cell phones yet. And -- watch me be wrong -- but I have a hard time seeing that ever happening.
Comparing 2010 and 2017, the sales of ILC cameras have only dropped 9.30%. The big rise from ~2011-2013 I believe was artificial and caused by smartphones. It was around that time that smartphone cameras had just started getting "good enough," yet they left just enough to be desired to send newly minted "photographers" out to purchase a "real camera." Ignoring that little three year blip, ILC sales seem to generally be stable. In fact, year over year, they are up.
As we all have been seeing happen for years now, the point and shoot market is the one that has been getting decimated by cell phones. The types of folks that need professional gear (read: ILC cameras) don't seem to be resorting to cell phones yet. And -- watch me be wrong -- but I have a hard time seeing that ever happening.
Indeed! I was lumping the two together as they both serve the same space/clientele in the market.
edit -- I see you are a micro four thirds man! That portability must be quite nice.
Indeed! I was lumping the two together as they both serve the same space/clientele in the market.
edit -- I see you are a micro four thirds man! That portability must be quite nice.
It means I an not afraid of seeing Panasonic or Olympus pulling out or selling off. That is quite nice.
And here is a small-scale studio photography test that I did two years ago using a D1700 and an iPhone with a RAW photo app.
http://www.warstrike.org/2016/02/comparing-cameras-nikon-d7100-vs-iphone.html
As I noted in that blog post, any camera under $2000 is dead meat compared to an iPhone/Android camera for 98% of use cases. I didn't upgrade to a D750 (and then a D850) until I needed to shoot sports events and start dabbling in 3D photogrammetry.
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There are apps for the iPhone to allow you to shoot RAW with full control over settings. The difference in image quality from the resulting RAW files is pretty startling compared to the default JPEG compression in Apple's Photos app.How would you take a photo like this with your iPhone camera?
Pretty simple snap shot for most real cameras to take.
Clunkier than a DSLR? Sure. But you can't beat the price/performance. Only the Pro Cameras have a reason to exist anymore. Consider that shops still have customers on a wait list for the Nikon D850, which came out 6 months ago. Customers are buying, but at the high end, not the low-end.
Indeed! They have really found their little corner of the market and are doing well IMO.
I feel that we've seen some unlikely competitors over the past few years. Look at Fujifilm. Their little X Series cameras are awesome!
Just curious, was the recent 50mm lens the Sigma Art lens? I've been debating whether to buy that lens or the 85mm f1.4 Sigma Art lens for my D850.
Can you do this type of thing with an iPhone camera?
The photo in London was shot with an Olympus Mirrorless, the Cape Cod photo with a Nikon D700 and a 14 mm lens.
The photo in London was shot with an Olympus Mirrorless, the Cape Cod photo with a Nikon D700 and a 14 mm lens.
the above photo you could do with an iPhone, or any camera for that matter - and then run the image through an HDR program. The first photo has haloing. Obviously you cannot simulate a wide angle lens, so an iPhone cannot get the same image as the bottom image.
For my purposes, phone cameras are lacking in 3 key areas:
1. Ultra wide angle
2. Extreme macro(the type I do on a heavy tripod with bellows and other odds and ends)
3. Ability to sync with external lighting
4. Movements as from a view camera.
Of the above, #3 might be addressed, but I don't see 1 and 2 being done satisfactorily. When can I get a cell phone with the FOV(and IQ) equivalent of my much loved Nikon 14-24 2.8? Pair that with my D800 and I have a heavenly combination.
#4 can be mitigated somewhat in Photoshop, but not completely-you can correct the distortion that you would normally avoid by using rise/fall and shift on a view camera but it's hard to to mimic the Scheimpflug effects you can get from tilts and swings. In theory, you can focus stack but you need a secure mount for the camera(phone) to keep the framing consistent. If you don't want to go all the way with a view camera, at least a tilt shift lens(Canon) or PC lens(Nikon) will give ALMOST as much as I can get with my Speed Graphic.
BTW, those of you who complain about weight are sissies . I regularly use(although not at the same time generally) a Nikon F2AS or other F/F2 bodies, a Nikon F4, Nikon F5, Hasselblad 500C, Mamiya RB67, and a couple of different 4x5 cameras. Obviously, I don't wear the 4x5s around my neck(although I did once photograph a basketball game with my Speed Graphic-it's doable if you zone focus, are generous with composition, and ideally have a Grafmatic back). The amount of time I can tolerate the Mamiya is limited, but I could carry one of the others and a couple of lenses all day. My D800 with the 24-85 3.5-4.5 VR I keep as a walk-around lens is weighs less than my F2AS body(I refuse to buy a 24-70 2.8 because the older version doesn't have VR and the current version is an E aperture lens-I'm not spending that much on a full frame lens I can't use with film).
BTW, I'm still trying to figure out how to put one of these in my iPhone. They fit in my 500C easily.
1. Ultra wide angle
2. Extreme macro(the type I do on a heavy tripod with bellows and other odds and ends)
3. Ability to sync with external lighting
4. Movements as from a view camera.
Of the above, #3 might be addressed, but I don't see 1 and 2 being done satisfactorily. When can I get a cell phone with the FOV(and IQ) equivalent of my much loved Nikon 14-24 2.8? Pair that with my D800 and I have a heavenly combination.
#4 can be mitigated somewhat in Photoshop, but not completely-you can correct the distortion that you would normally avoid by using rise/fall and shift on a view camera but it's hard to to mimic the Scheimpflug effects you can get from tilts and swings. In theory, you can focus stack but you need a secure mount for the camera(phone) to keep the framing consistent. If you don't want to go all the way with a view camera, at least a tilt shift lens(Canon) or PC lens(Nikon) will give ALMOST as much as I can get with my Speed Graphic.
BTW, those of you who complain about weight are sissies
. I regularly use(although not at the same time generally) a Nikon F2AS or other F/F2 bodies, a Nikon F4, Nikon F5, Hasselblad 500C, Mamiya RB67, and a couple of different 4x5 cameras. Obviously, I don't wear the 4x5s around my neck(although I did once photograph a basketball game with my Speed Graphic-it's doable if you zone focus, are generous with composition, and ideally have a Grafmatic back). The amount of time I can tolerate the Mamiya is limited, but I could carry one of the others and a couple of lenses all day. My D800 with the 24-85 3.5-4.5 VR I keep as a walk-around lens is weighs less than my F2AS body(I refuse to buy a 24-70 2.8 because the older version doesn't have VR and the current version is an E aperture lens-I'm not spending that much on a full frame lens I can't use with film). BTW, I'm still trying to figure out how to put one of these in my iPhone. They fit in my 500C easily.
Your SD card looks wrong!For my purposes, phone cameras are lacking in 3 key areas:
1. Ultra wide angle
2. Extreme macro(the type I do on a heavy tripod with bellows and other odds and ends)
3. Ability to sync with external lighting
4. Movements as from a view camera.
Of the above, #3 might be addressed, but I don't see 1 and 2 being done satisfactorily. When can I get a cell phone with the FOV(and IQ) equivalent of my much loved Nikon 14-24 2.8? Pair that with my D800 and I have a heavenly combination.
#4 can be mitigated somewhat in Photoshop, but not completely-you can correct the distortion that you would normally avoid by using rise/fall and shift on a view camera but it's hard to to mimic the Scheimpflug effects you can get from tilts and swings. In theory, you can focus stack but you need a secure mount for the camera(phone) to keep the framing consistent. If you don't want to go all the way with a view camera, at least a tilt shift lens(Canon) or PC lens(Nikon) will give ALMOST as much as I can get with my Speed Graphic.
BTW, those of you who complain about weight are sissies
BTW, I'm still trying to figure out how to put one of these in my iPhone. They fit in my 500C easily.
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I have the Nikon 24-70mm without VR and tbh, it's fine. Sharper than the newer one and you can hand hold without VR on it easy enough.
To do HDR you need multiple exposures typically 3 or more of the same scene. The HDR software then combines these. The HDR feature on the iPhone is nothing close to using multiple exposures and layering them.
I think an iPhone camera can replace a fixed lens snapshot camera. But even my small Panasonic camera has a 10x zoom on it, going from fairly wide angle to a pretty decent telephoto. This small camera has way more features than any phone camera. If your main shooting involves selfies than the phone is the camera of choice.
What's this SD card of which you speak?
My main camera is the D800, and I have a D300s for back-up work as well as where I want a fast(er) handling DX body. I also use a D200 for Ebay/cataloging since the small JPEGs and having a dedicated camera fits into my workflow well.
I've started collecting first and second gen Nikon DSLRs also, as well as the cameras from other makes based on them. They're often cheap even for lightly used examples(although I did pay plenty for my Kodak DCS 14/n and it was a huge IQ let down when I got it).
In any case, both my D800 and D300s have SD cards in them(a kind of pricey 64gb Sandisk in the D800, a smaller generic one in the D300s), but they hold the "back up" JPEGs and I rarely touch them. I use CF cards as my main removable medium for RAW files in those camera, and most of the others I have either take only CF or take CF and some other storage medium(early Fujis take SmartMedia, the Fuji S3 takes the now extinct and all but unavailable XD card, although the Kodak will take SD).
Of course, I do have to segregate my cards since some older cameras will roll over and die with >2gb cards(when I bought my D100 and was testing it in the store, it took about 10 minutes for it to format the 64gb card they handed me) and something like a 512mb card is a joke in a D800. My main wallet has few 64s, a bunch of 32s, and nothing smaller than 16. I have a second wallet with 1gb-8gb cards that I carry sometimes as a "just in case" and then a box that has 2gb and smaller cards.
BTW, thanks for the info on the older 24-70-I admit that I hadn't looked THAT closely at it. As I said, I won't buy "E" lenses, and that's because there are no film cameras that they're compatible with(I'm not dropping ~$2K on a lens that won't work on my F5 or F100). I just wish it went back far enough to have an aperture ring. The even older 28-70 2.8 AF-D-which does have an aperture ring-is too long for me on the wide end.