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Well to be fair they only recently seem to have started taking hardware seriously. I'm sure when the iPhone first launched it wasn't available in anywhere near as many countries as it is today.

Google don't have the ability to produce on a mass scale but even so it wouldn't be worth their while because let's be realistic the phone isn't going to sell that many units. If it sells 5 million that would be a really good achievement.

You keep saying that but google already bought Motorola for 12.5 billion because they were finally serious about hardware.
 

jamezr

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It’s on AppleInsider ....... written by DED....... need I say more? It will be biased and slanted toward Apple.
 

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Wow... I read most of this for pure entertainment. What a hack job. I've not read anything on AppleInsider that I remember in recent times, and now I know why. The real question is whether this guy knows he was writing total BS, or if he really believes what he wrote?
 

macjunk(ie)

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I enjoyed the article and I think pixel is overpriced. In fact, they pulled a one up over Apple in the pricing category.
 

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I enjoyed the article and I think pixel is overpriced. In fact, they pulled a one up over Apple in the pricing category.

What did you enjoy about it? Much of it was total fiction and opinion, and it came across like a middle school kid in the playground yelling at a bully. I get that he thinks its overpriced. But in a review, who cares. You can spend two sentences saying its priced high in comparison to XYZ products... so not a great value. After that its just repetitive ranting and the reality is that they will price it where ever they want relative to their market expectations. Google may not want to sell a lot of these. The writer doesn't know that. It was a very childish article and lacked any objectivity since much of his rant wasn't even accurate.
 

AustinIllini

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Someone with the username "Macjunkie" probably shouldn't be calling devices overpriced. I like Apple Devices. I own a Macbook Pro that I love. However, they are severely overpriced. Also, iPhone 10 is $999. That's insane for a device with 64 GB of space.
 
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Well...he did state a lot of facts. Indisputable facts. But it was like if he were speaking instead of writing, he’d be spitting every word in a rage, instead of just putting objective facts out there for measured discussion.

The Pixel does lack the features he says it lacks, but there are valid reasons for that. The author seems to be in a fury that Apple took criticism but Google does not over the same omissions. That’s very immature and petulant.

It is a data mining object. But users enter the Google ecosystem knowing that and knowing that they get very tailored services in return. I resisted for a very long time in participating in that creepy symbiosis, but I’ve watched my husband participating for a couple of years now with no apparent harm or difference to his online experience compared to what I experience staying more private. In return he gets a lot of information that helps him navigate his day better.

I’ve also watched my privacy stolen by my pharmacy and grocery club cards, my records with the city, county, state and federal governments going online and accessible to any member of the public. Really, all you need to know is my legal name and you will know all you need to know about my education, where I’ve lived, whom I’ve been married to, who my parents are, some of my employment history, and who my nearest relatives are and where they live. Our laws say the public has the right to that information. It’s a matter of searchable public record and always has been. Now it’s just more readily accessible. Then there is the vast amount of data our carriers and ISPs supposedly collect about us that we don’t know the scope of.

Compared to THAT, I can’t imagine worrying about Google knowing I like to listen to Weird Al or The Chipmunks. As for it picking up what people say, from what I can tell most people I’ve known spew every thought that crosses their minds onto social media anyway.

I will get the Pixel 2XL and if it fails to live up to my needs and REASONABLE expectations, or creeps me out badly with its wicked stalkerish ways, I will return it. Simple as that. I won’t let this writer decide anything for me.
 
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jamezr

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Well...he did state a lot of facts. Indisputable facts. But it was like if he were speaking instead of writing, he’d be spitting every word in a rage, instead of just putting objective facts out there for measured discussion.

The Pixel does lack the features he says it lacks, but there are valid reasons for that. The author seems to be in a fury that Apple took criticism but Google does not over the same omissions. That’s very immature and petulant.

It is a data mining object. But users enter the Google ecosystem knowing that and knowing that they get very tailored services in return. I resisted for a very long time in participating in that creepy symbiosis, but I’ve watched my husband participating for a couple of years now with no apparent harm or difference to his online experience compared to what I experience staying more private. In return he gets a lot of information that helps him navigate his day better.

I’ve also watched my privacy stolen by my pharmacy and grocery club cards, my records with the city, county, state and federal governments going online and accessible to any member of the public. Really, all you need to know is my legal name and you will know all you need to know about my education, where I’ve lived, whom I’ve been married to, who my parents are, some of my employment history, and who my nearest relatives are and where they live. Our laws say the public has the right to that information. It’s a matter of searchable public record and always has been. Now it’s just more readily accessible. Then there is the vast amount of data our carriers and ISPs supposedly collect about us that we don’t know the scope of.

Compared to THAT, I can’t imagine worrying about Google knowing I like to listen to Weird Al or The Chipmunks. As for it picking up what people say, from what I can tell most people I’ve known spew every thought that crosses their minds onto social media anyway.

I will get the Pixel 2XL and if it fails to live up to my needs and REASONABLE expectations, or creeps me out badly with its wicked stalkerish ways, I will return it. Simple as that. I won’t let this writer decide anything for me.
all great points and agree. I used to spend a lot of time over in the Apple Insider forums. So I understand the culture maybe more than most.
The writer is preaching to his choir so to speak. He writes attack articles on Samsung mostly but other Android OEMs as well. Then he gets a lot of atta boys from the AI faithful. Its kinda like job security and rallying the the troops for a common hatred of anything not Apple.

AI is not a friendly place for anyone that likes anything but Apple products. They will even tell you that themselves.
Even the mods over there will tolerate staunch Apple defenders violating forums rules. They will let name calling and outright bullying go from the Apple faithful.

Its not a place that tolerates dissenting opinions.
 
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lowendlinux

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Well...he did state a lot of facts. Indisputable facts. But it was like if he were speaking instead of writing, he’d be spitting every word in a rage, instead of just putting objective facts out there for measured discussion.

The Pixel does lack the features he says it lacks, but there are valid reasons for that. The author seems to be in a fury that Apple took criticism but Google does not over the same omissions. That’s very immature and petulant.

It is a data mining object. But users enter the Google ecosystem knowing that and knowing that they get very tailored services in return. I resisted for a very long time in participating in that creepy symbiosis, but I’ve watched my husband participating for a couple of years now with no apparent harm or difference to his online experience compared to what I experience staying more private. In return he gets a lot of information that helps him navigate his day better.

I’ve also watched my privacy stolen by my pharmacy and grocery club cards, my records with the city, county, state and federal governments going online and accessible to any member of the public. Really, all you need to know is my legal name and you will know all you need to know about my education, where I’ve lived, whom I’ve been married to, who my parents are, some of my employment history, and who my nearest relatives are and where they live. Our laws say the public has the right to that information. It’s a matter of searchable public record and always has been. Now it’s just more readily accessible. Then there is the vast amount of data our carriers and ISPs supposedly collect about us that we don’t know the scope of.

Compared to THAT, I can’t imagine worrying about Google knowing I like to listen to Weird Al or The Chipmunks. As for it picking up what people say, from what I can tell most people I’ve known spew every thought that crosses their minds onto social media anyway.

I will get the Pixel 2XL and if it fails to live up to my needs and REASONABLE expectations, or creeps me out badly with its wicked stalkerish ways, I will return it. Simple as that. I won’t let this writer decide anything for me.

I have a security clearance so .gov knows everything about me anyway but I'm just one of billions of data points on Googles servers so I'm so obscure with them it almost doesn't matter.

My reservations about Google are more social than personal, Google is the internet to 90% of the world and with that the have control over the information most people see and that's a bit scary.
 
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I have a security clearance so .gov knows everything about me anyway but I'm just one of billions of data points on Googles servers so I'm so obscure with them it almost doesn't matter.

My reservations about Google are more social than personal, Google is the internet to 90% of the world and with that the have control over the information most people see and that's a bit scary.
True, and I think they have been called out for abusing their power over the media and pressuring reporters to suppress information or views critical of them. Because they own indirectly or directly some of the companies the reporters work for. I don’t have any links offhand but it’s a fairly recent news.
 

dallas112678

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Wow, this article is so fanboyish it's laughable. Some of my favorite parts:

"Perhaps even more remarkably, the latest "Phone by Google" lacks support for SD Cards and removable batteries and lacks the extra RAM and processing power needed to run Android"

Hmmm, last time I checked, iPhones don't have SD cards either...Who cares, let's just rant at Google for not having it. Processing power? I'm pretty sure the Note 8 is winning in real-world speed tests. Seems like the 835 is handling Android just fine (unless you want to run geekbench all day).


"the company's LG-built Pixel 2 XL demands a premium price, starting at $849 for the 64-gigabyte version. iPhone 8 Plus with the same storage is $799."

Lets ignore the fact that it's using OLED screens while the 8+ still uses cheap LCD's. Let's also ignore the fact the screen is bigger with a better screen to body ratio along with dual front firing speakers. Oh, and that 8+ design has been around for 4 years now. I don't know if the other realizes it or not, but the XL2 is primarily competing with the iPhone X.

"having a phone that looks like a cheaper copy of last year's iPhone."

LOL. RLY?

"third-party testing has shown that Android software, particularly games, routinely use up four times the RAM as the same software running on iOS."

In this comparison, they are using a Samsung S6 for the android device. Current Samsung devices are much better in terms of utilizing RAM and also have a much more optimized Touchwiz. Hey, who cares right? Pure android must be the same as a poorly optimized 2 year old touchwiz...

"Yet this year, Google thought it was more important to raise the price of its phone than to add more "
RAM, or overhaul the incredibly sloppy architecture of its Android OS"

Ugh, this is exactly what Android 8.0 is meant to do. It's also the OS that the Pixel's will ship with... Does this guy live under an Apple rock?

"In this bizarro world of starry-eyed Google-fandom, it appears that nobody cares about snappy performance, premium phone prices, inadequate hardware specs or having a phone that looks like a cheaper copy of last year's iPhone."

The Pixel even on last years snapdragon was VERY smooth and snappy... I'm also pretty sure that the XL2 looks much more premium than a 4 year old design employed by the iPhone 8. Not to mentioned even my Note 8 is much snappier and has significantly fewer frame drops than my 7+ with iOS 11.

" making it possible to fake Portrait mode for a still shot, but failing to replicate what dual lenses can do in video using iOS 11's new Depth API."

So again, you are going to compare features in Apple's newest iOS, but be completely oblivious that android 8.0 exists and will be whats on the new Pixels?

"Pixel 2 phones supply a USB-C connector, which remains new and more difficult to obtain."

Yet at the same time Apple uses a PROPRIETARY connector, but I guess that's ok... I mean, how dare Google choose to use a new and NON proprietary connector... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE. Honestly, I'm curious if this guy bashed Apple for doing this on the newest MBP's when there were even fewer accesories around... I bet he didn't.

"Google has now been building and designing phones for a decade without ever creating a significant installed base or making any money from its vanity hardware busywork."

No, Google hasn't been building hardware for a decade. This is only the 2nd year of a completely Google designed phone. Saying Nexus devices are pure Google devices just because Google had some input on them, is like saying the Motorola Rockr (remember that thing) is a pure apple device since apple had input on it. Stupid...

Christ, I have a feeling this guy has never touched a Pixel or simply used Wikipedia articles last updated a few years ago as his research and sources...
 
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