Planned Obsolescence...

[crashoverride77]

my ass.

iPhone 5

iPhone 5s

I would call that a tie.
And yes I can see that 8 is like 0.00001s faster
And yes I can see that 9 did still drop frames such as in the weather app on first swipe
And yes I didn't include the 4s, which was quite a bit slower on 9, because f**k the 4s.

Can we put these planned obsolescence threads to rest now, finally. It's lack of optimisation, time constraints, different priorities and generally how software works.

Sorry conspiracy guys.

 

[AndyK]

More so that because of this ridiculous "omg must get a new release out -every- year" mentality that is now the new mantra under Cook, the quality has naturally dive bombed because it's just not a sustainable model if quality and polish is the judging factor.

 

[jhuynh]

A new version of iOS has been released every year with every new iPhone.... it has nothing to do with Cook.

 

[crashoverride77]

More so that because of this ridiculous "omg must get a new release out -every- year" mentality that is now the new mantra under Cook, the quality has naturally dive bombed because it's just not a sustainable model if quality and polish is the judging factor.

You are probably one of those people that this thread is trying to address. If people here would think once in a while, it be a much nicer place, with a lot less battery threads 1min after release to boast. Also check what the person above wrote, iOS has yearly upgrades since its inception. It's like talking to a wall sometimes, lol.

 

[GreyOS]

I don't think there's planned obsolescence nor do I make a big fuss about minimal slowdown that new iOS may introduce on older devices.

However I did find interesting that 9.2 in the iPhone 5 video was consistently fractionally slower. I find it interesting because iOS 9 was meant to make app opening faster, in at least some cases. I don't think it's now unbearably 'slow', just interesting that the claim they would open faster appears incorrect

 

[Fzang]

Perfectly smooth on my brand new 6S though. Lucky, eh?

 

[Max(IT)]

planned obsolescence exists only in the mind of serial complainers in forums like this (or as a good click-bait for youtubers).
Apple is working hard to please customers (and make them loyal), not to piss them off....

 

[Paddle1]

To be fair, you can't just remove the strongest argument / "proof" of this, the 4s (and other A5 devices, as underpowered as they may be...).

 

[newellj]

planned obsolescence exists only in the mind of serial complainers in forums like this (or as a good click-bait for youtubers).
Apple is working hard to please customers (and make them loyal), not to piss them off....

Absolutely. What do these cavemen expect - tech that's frozen in time? iOS 9 may or may not have delivered on the promised performance benefits (objective tests like the Ars iOS 9 review suggest minimal benefits on most devices, but certainly nothing compelling), but that's a far cry from some crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[sracer]

planned obsolescence exists only in the mind of serial complainers in forums like this (or as a good click-bait for youtubers).
Apple is working hard to please customers (and make them loyal), not to piss them off....

Not exactly. They are working hard to maximize profits and minimize expenses. Sometimes that pleases customers, sometimes it doesn't. In the midst of that battle they manage customer satisfaction and expectations. They are willing to piss off a certain segment of customers if the net result is greater profit.

For example: There are many customers who would like the ability to downgrade their iOS device to a previous version of iOS. Allowing that would please those customers but it means that the effective life of those devices would be increased which in turn has the potential to negatively impact sales. Apple would rather tick-off those customers knowing that the number of customers who would switch to the competition as a result is less than the impact to their bottom line if they provided a way to downgrade.

 

[Act3]

Not exactly. They are working hard to maximize profits and minimize expenses. Sometimes that pleases customers, sometimes it doesn't. In the midst of that battle they manage customer satisfaction and expectations. They are willing to piss off a certain segment of customers if the net result is greater profit.

For example: There are many customers who would like the ability to downgrade their iOS device to a previous version of iOS. Allowing that would please those customers but it means that the effective life of those devices would be increased which in turn has the potential to negatively impact sales. Apple would rather tick-off those customers knowing that the number of customers who would switch to the competition as a result is less than the impact to their bottom line if they provided a way to downgrade.

It is a fine line between keeping customers and shareholders happy. And in some instances the regulators depending the industry.

 

[teknikal90]

To be fair, you can't just remove the strongest argument / "proof" of this, the 4s (and other A5 devices, as underpowered as they may be...).

to be fair, the 4S is four years old....

 

[BittenApple]

what about A5 devices ?

 

[Paddle1]

to be fair, the 4S is four years old....

But that's exactly what planned obsolescence is about.

The fact Apple still supports it is pretty impressive though. (Maybe even a counterargument)

 

[teknikal90]

But that's exactly what planned obsolescence is about.

The fact Apple still supports it is pretty impressive though. (Maybe even a counterargument)

it's not though
That's just well past the life span of a piece of technology.
It's like saying milk spoiling is planned obsolescence

 

[pika2000]

I have the iPhone 5, and I can say it is performing just fine on iOS9.
However, I can see it not receiving any further optimizations in the future. The A6 is the last 32bit SoC. Right now, all the iDevices lineup are 64bit, so I can see Apple focusing on 64bit features and optimization on iOS 10 onwards.

Still better than Android. There's a news on Lenovo planning to update some of its phones to Android M by September 2016, when Android N is coming. That's how silly the Android ecosystem has become.

 

[Paddle1]

it's not though
That's just well past the life span of a piece of technology.
It's like saying milk spoiling is planned obsolescence

The "life span" is arbitrary and can be extended if they want it to be. (Ex the iPhone 4s or iPad 2 being supported longer than any previous iOS devices). Milk spoiling can't be controlled.

Here's a hypothetical argument for it: The A5 chip is planned obsolescence, when they made the chip in 2011 they decided they wanted to support it through iOS 9 in 2016 for roughly 5 years of support. In reality it turns out the chip is very underpowered for 2015 but they're forced to support it as it hasn't reached the planned 2016 end-of-life yet.

 

[Max(IT)]

Absolutely. What do these cavemen expect - tech that's frozen in time? iOS 9 may or may not have delivered on the promised performance benefits (objective tests like the Ars iOS 9 review suggest minimal benefits on most devices, but certainly nothing compelling), but that's a far cry from some crazy conspiracy theory.

crazy conspiracy theories came up at every single iOS release on forums like this .... in the meanwhile every iOS is better than previous....

Not exactly. They are working hard to maximize profits and minimize expenses. Sometimes that pleases customers, sometimes it doesn't. In the midst of that battle they manage customer satisfaction and expectations. They are willing to piss off a certain segment of customers if the net result is greater profit.

For example: There are many customers who would like the ability to downgrade their iOS device to a previous version of iOS. Allowing that would please those customers but it means that the effective life of those devices would be increased which in turn has the potential to negatively impact sales. Apple would rather tick-off those customers knowing that the number of customers who would switch to the competition as a result is less than the impact to their bottom line if they provided a way to downgrade.

Says who ? you ?
Tim Cook, and SJ before him, says customer satisfaction is their main goal. Why should I believe you and not the CEO of my favourite company ?

It is a fine line between keeping customers and shareholders happy. And in some instances the regulators depending the industry.

Sure. they are a profit company after all.

to be fair, the 4S is four years old....

I'm so tired of this iPhone 4S/ipad 2 complainers .... those are ancient hardware. Do you want to still use it ? good for you, but stop whining about performance. Apple is at least giving you software support to use many recent apps.

 

[31 Flavas]

But that's exactly what planned obsolescence is about.

The fact Apple still supports it is pretty impressive though. (Maybe even a counterargument)

So what would it be called if Apple artificially cut off the iPhone 4S, KNOWING FULLWELL, that it could run iOS 9? It's entirely transparent that Apple would be crucified for it.

I mean, really, who is praising android phone manufacturers or cell carriers for abandoning their phones / leaving them with the original software on their phones.

 

[IJBrekke]

Apple is not directly sabotaging the software of its older devices. They're simply optimizing each release primarily for the newest hardware, which obviously means it will run less well on devices with lesser specs. They have no reason to "fix" this because deep down they want everyone to buy the latest and greatest. It always comes back to profit in the end.

 

[Apples n' Stone]

This...

 

[whodatrr]

If you've ever worked for a software/hardware/OS vendor (and I bet this site os full of people who have), you begin to appreciate the challenge of supporting older architectures. Every generation back you go dramatically increases QA workloads, bug counts, man hours, support load, etc. This is baggage that slips schedules and increases cost. It also reduces R&D's ability to innovate, because at a certain point they become more focused on the supporting legacy baggage than exploiting possibilities with new architectures. It's stifling.

 

[Apples n' Stone]

If you've ever worked for a software/hardware/OS vendor (and I bet this site os full of people who have), you begin to appreciate the challenge of supporting older architectures. Every generation back you go dramatically increases QA workloads, bug counts, man hours, support load, etc. This is baggage that slips schedules and increases cost. It also reduces R&D's ability to innovate, because at a certain point they become more focused on the supporting legacy baggage than exploiting possibilities with new architectures. It's stifling.

Exactly, and seeing everyone rabbit on about supporting old technology does not help! The idea of having to make that extra 3.5" version for another few years must be frustrating. So once more, here is a more accurate representation of what they are doing to the horse they have been beating:

 

[wbrat]

iPhone 5

Why the hell the weather in Cupertino differs between iOS versions?

 

[felt.]

Do you have any flashy youtube videos describing how soldered on ram is all about enhancing the customers experience?