Planned Obsolescence...

[crashoverride77]

To be fair, you can't just remove the strongest argument / "proof" of this, the 4s (and other A5 devices, as underpowered as they may be...).

yes I can, the 4s should have died 1-2 years ago.
A5 chip with 1 ghz single core and 512MB ram, pff. We moved on and so has apple, clearly.

 

[crashoverride77]

I don't think there's planned obsolescence nor do I make a big fuss about minimal slowdown that new iOS may introduce on older devices.

However I did find interesting that 9.2 in the iPhone 5 video was consistently fractionally slower. I find it interesting because iOS 9 was meant to make app opening faster, in at least some cases. I don't think it's now unbearably 'slow', just interesting that the claim they would open faster appears incorrect

Yes apple has underdelivered on they performance claims. However its not because of planned obsolence or any of that nonsense. Clearly the potential is there because some app run miles better than they did on ios 8. And 9 right out of the gate has been much more stable than 8 is/was. Lets not even talk about ios 7.0.x which was near unusable on iPads due to animation speed, safari crashes and resprings.

I think a lot of people underestimate what a task it must have been for apple to integrate metal into ios frameworks. Its not an overnight job.
Either it is much harder on ios than on OS X, seeing how elCapitan is so much faster than yosemite, or they simply did not have enough time to polish metal enough.
Also lets not forget 8.4.1 took 9-10 months to be where it was. What about the other first 2/3 of ios7 or ios8 life cycle where it was terrible for the most part.
If ios 9.2 1-2 months after release is already looking about on par with 8.4.1 than I think things are looking good.
Not defending apple here as I am not too pleased myself that their initial releases have been a bit meh recently. Thats not what this thread is about tho.

 

[mulatosnarf]

Same issues as android on older hardware

 

[Max(IT)]

With Nexus you get iOS like updates with the ability to downgrade

I can't downgrade anything on my nexus....

I would have thought that the basement dwellers are the ones that can afford to upgrade their phone every year.

Reality check: iPhone 4S isn't a two years old phone. Not even a three years old. It's more than 4 years old, almost 5 ..... Still supported.

Whatever their future policy is toward downgrade may change. Right now it is what it is

Ipad 2 under 8.4 honestly is less than stellar. Under IOS 9, while not the speed demon of my 6s by comparison, it's very usable. I don't know what you do with your ipad, but with mine: web surf, facetime, imessage, netflix, other video consumption apps. It works fine for what it was in 2011 and the battery is still very good.

As far as why apple doesn't allow downgrading; only they know, we all can suspect why, but for now that is the policy.

It's quite simple: fragmentation control.
Apple has to support and thus test only ONE iOS version at time.
A brilliant choice I'd made every time.

One of Apple's best skills is secrecy.

Planned obsolescence is a long standing Apple practice they do with such finesse, that many remain steadfast in their denial that it exists. That's exactly what Apple wants you to believe... no such thing as planned obsolescence. They are so powerful, and have so much control over the minds of millions, people actually believe all the warm and fuzzy pro-customer stories Apple tells.

Yet they see the massive amounts of money this company makes but they cannot make the connection. Apple makes a whopping profit margin compared to others in the industry, they have the finest marketing programs and they have a well tuned, extremely profitable obsolescence policy in place.

For those who like to believe everything Apple says, the walled garden is a wonderful place.

Should I believe you instead ?
Planned obsolescence doesn't exist if not in the eyes of serial complainers/Apple bashers, which are a well known spreaded community in forums like this.

Exactly.It exists simply because with every major update the device slows dowh overall just enough to nudge the customer to get the next big thing.Its one of the things I hate about the iPhone and love about the Nexus

No one of my iDevices slowed down over the time.
My iPad Air, surely not latest hardware anymore, wasn't any better under iOS 7.
On the contrary my nexus 7 sucks.....

I've been an Apple customer for a very long time. But I must say my Nexus 5 bought upon it's release was simply terrific, fast, fun and very reliable for the entire year. Then upon release I bought the Nexus 6 which currently is my primary smartphone. Having used both Android and iPhones since the very day they were introduced approx 7 years ago, it's been a very interesting and rewarding experience.

Nexus 5 ? Really ? A totally piece of crap with ridiculous battery life and camera .... Its only good point was the price (and performance).
And I owned it, kept for 14 months, so I know it very well...

Is enough hyperbole in this response to fill the Grand Canyon. Obviously for those believe in conspiracy theories a discussion is not going to change ones mind. For the others maybe they want to upgrade or change phones because they want the latest and greatest and not because of some underlying "secret maneuver " by Apple.

Agree.
I'm not always happy with Apple choices (latest iMac with 5400 Rpm spinner and not user replaceable RAM a good example), but I'm overall more than satisfied by the user experience with their products. And market numbers seem to suggest I'm in good company...

 

[roadbloc]

I can't downgrade anything on my nexus....

Lies.

 

[mulatosnarf]

I can't downgrade anything on my nexus....

Reality check: iPhone 4S isn't a two years old phone. Not even a three years old. It's more than 4 years old, almost 5 ..... Still supported.


It's quite simple: fragmentation control.
Apple has to support and thus test only ONE iOS version at time.
A brilliant choice I'd made every time.

Should I believe you instead ?
Planned obsolescence doesn't exist if not in the eyes of serial complainers/Apple bashers, which are a well known spreaded community in forums like this.


No one of my iDevices slowed down over the time.
My iPad Air, surely not latest hardware anymore, wasn't any better under iOS 7.
On the contrary my nexus 7 sucks.....


Nexus 5 ? Really ? A totally piece of crap with ridiculous battery life and camera .... Its only good point was the price (and performance).
And I owned it, kept for 14 months, so I know it very well...


Agree.
I'm not always happy with Apple choices (latest iMac with 5400 Rpm spinner and not user replaceable RAM a good example), but I'm overall more than satisfied by the user experience with their products. And market numbers seem to suggest I'm in good company...

If you can't figure out how to downgrade a nexus then perhaps android isn't for you. iPhone should suit you fine

 

[dmj102]

One of Apple's best skills is secrecy.

Planned obsolescence is a long standing Apple practice they do with such finesse, that many remain steadfast in their denial that it exists. That's exactly what Apple wants you to believe... no such thing as planned obsolescence. They are so powerful, and have so much control over the minds of millions, people actually believe all the warm and fuzzy pro-customer stories Apple tells.

Yet they see the massive amounts of money this company makes but they cannot make the connection. Apple makes a whopping profit margin compared to others in the industry, they have the finest marketing programs and they have a well tuned, extremely profitable obsolescence policy in place.

For those who like to believe everything Apple says, the walled garden is a wonderful place.

Lol, Verbal Kint from the movie "Usual Suspects" says it well and it suits Apple: "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

 

[Max(IT)]

All my iOS 9 devices are definitely slower than iOS 8. Planned? I don't think so. However quite a tell tale sign of an operating system released before it was ready, due to the marketing department demanding a release before it was ready.

I don't have time to check, but I'm quite sure you were complaining about performance at iOS 8 release....

It doesn't matter. Apple was selling them up until relatively recently. It was selling the iPad 2 in the form of the iPad Mini only a couple of months ago. When you pay top dollar for hardware you do expect it to work for a while. Plus - why should they run slower under iOS 9 - it adds literally zero new features on the iPad 2, and definitely nothing power consumption. I'd complain if my 1 year old iPhone 4S was slow with iOS 9. If people complain then Apple will try harder to achieve better support for their older devices, and that is a win for consumers. They've moved to their new system of app thinning + designing iOS separately for the older devices so supporting older devices does not stifle adding new features, so hopefully Apple continues improving support for their older devices.

Recently? Lol, I can buy a new galaxy S2 right now, if I want....
Don't blame Apple for customers poor purchase choices.
If you bought an iPhone 4S one year ago, when iPhone 5 already was old hardware, blame yourself.
Apple kindly gave you the opportunity to use latest software, with the latest iOS , but if you ask performance you lives in a parallel universe.

I was also disappointed by Apple abandoning PPC customers. They should have actually informed people in 2005 and 2006 who were buying PPC Macs that their machines would have been obsolete within 3 years. Had Apple supported at least the G4/G5 machines for a couple more years (they were still capable enough) it would have been a fair better deal. Windows 10 runs on the same PCs that can run Vista I believe, to the extent that my 2008 Macbook White (Which Apple dumped support for after a mere 3.5 years) can run Windows 10 on par with my 2012 Macbook Pro on El Capitan.

oh give me a break.
How evil Apple was in 2009 to stop supporting an almost 10 years old architecture?
And stop supporting just by don't allow the installation of the latest OS X version, because PPC Macs could run just fine for a couple more years using Leopard before applications support really became an issue...

 

[dmj102]

Reason probably being Tim Cook wants to brag about the adoption numbers at keynotes too

Yes most definitely Cook brags about adoption rate. Most of the general public are non-techies have no clue that they have a choice not to update. Apple's software update nags are relentless. Then adoption rates go up. Most people wouldn't even put two and two together and instead think they did something wrong if the device slowed down after an update.

 

[Max(IT)]

Lies.

Read the link you provided: it's just ridiculous and not something I want to do with any of my devices (I don't even have a Pc in my house).....
Good look in explaining to my sister, owners of my former Nexus 5, how to do that...

If you can't figure out how to downgrade a nexus then perhaps android isn't for you. iPhone should suit you fine

Who do you think you are ?
A superior human being because you use android ?
Your phrase imply us iPhone users are dumb and somewhat inferior....
Dude, reality check: I most probably used more android devices than you, started from 1.5 version a long time ago.

 

[oldmacs]

I don't have time to check, but I'm quite sure you were complaining about performance at iOS 8 release....

Yes I did as it performed poorly on the iPad Mini 2, however I am more dismayed at iOS 9 - Apple made a song and dance and even promised performance improvements in the iOS 9 upgrade notes, then managed to make it slower.

Recently? Lol, I can buy a new galaxy S2 right now, if I want....
Don't blame Apple for customers poor purchase choices.
If you bought an iPhone 4S one year ago, when iPhone 5 already was old hardware, blame yourself.
Apple kindly gave you the opportunity to use latest software, with the latest iOS , but if you ask performance you lives in a parallel universe.

Oh give me a freaking break. Customers are not responsible for everything Apple does/doesn't do. Apple kept A5 devices around WAY too long. The iPod Touch 5 was touted as their premium iPod right up until recently and the Mini 1 was also sold til recently. Apple has built up a brand reputation around quality products, and continued selling the 4S, iPad 2, Mini 1 and Touch 5 as premium devices - Apple stores still endorsed people buying them. So iOS 9 should have run about the same on these devices. If you've actually bothered looking at what iOS 9 brings for these devices, you'll realise very little was added, so why should perform be worse?

oh give me a break.
How evil Apple was in 2009 to stop supporting an almost 10 years old architecture?
And stop supporting just by don't allow the installation of the latest OS X version, because PPC Macs could run just fine for a couple more years using Leopard before applications support really became an issue...

Quite evil considering they were selling G4 machines right up into 2006. Expensive computers deserve more than 3 years support, especially given Apple supported iTunes on XP right up until recently, yet it couldn't support Safari or iTunes on PPC macs past around the 2010/2011 mark. Microsoft has done a great job of maintaining support for low end machines, and its done wonders even on the newer devices. Windows 10 performs well and manages to do support heaps of machines. The last of the PPC Macs should have gotten at least 5 years support- they should have received a stripped down version of Lion. The 2007/2008 C2D Macs should also be able to run El Capitan. Now that is built in obsolesce given the only reason they can not officially run 10.8 and up is Apple not writing a driver for the graphics. That as a nice kick in the guts - $1800 for a machine that lost software support after only 3.5 years.

I don't think Apple is fully about built in obsolescence , but they've pulled plenty of moves that unnecessarily shortened the life of hardware. I do applaud them for

 

[I7guy]

Planned obsolescence is an obvious trait of Apple products. The rest of the industry supports their products for much longer. Especially Microsoft, who are practically saints when it comes to legacy support.

It's thanks to a loyal group of developers that I can still get use out of my PPC machines, not Apple, who ditched both Tiger and Leopard as soon as their sucessor was out. Meanwhile on Wintel machines of the same age, I can do pretty much the same stuff I can on a new machine (within reason). Hell, I can even run iTunes 12 on my Samsung XP craptop (currently running Win7). But my PowerBook G4 remains mostly stuck in 2005. All thanks to Apple.

Apple's software support stinks and I have no doubt to beleive they plan the obsolescence of their products.

Like Ubuntu for example? Or some other huge vendors with product life cycles less than apples iOS?

 

[I7guy]

Yes I did as it performed poorly on the iPad Mini 2, however I am more dismayed at iOS 9 - Apple made a song and dance and even promised performance improvements in the iOS 9 upgrade notes, then managed to make it slower.



Oh give me a freaking break. Customers are not responsible for everything Apple does/doesn't do. Apple kept A5 devices around WAY too long. The iPod Touch 5 was touted as their premium iPod right up until recently and the Mini 1 was also sold til recently. Apple has built up a brand reputation around quality products, and continued selling the 4S, iPad 2, Mini 1 and Touch 5 as premium devices - Apple stores still endorsed people buying them.




Quite evil considering they were selling G4 machines right up into 2006. Expensive computers deserve more than 3 years support, especially given Apple supported iTunes on XP right up until recently, yet it couldn't support Safari or iTunes on PPC macs past around the 2010/2011 mark. Microsoft has done a great job of maintaining support for low end machines, and its done wonders even on the newer devices. Windows 10 performs well and manages to do support heaps of machines. The last of the PPC Macs should have gotten at least 5 years support- they should have received a stripped down version of Lion. The 2007/2008 C2D Macs should also be able to run El Capitan. Now that is built in obsolesce given the only reason they can not officially run 10.8 and up is Apple not writing a driver for the graphics. That as a nice kick in the guts - $1800 for a machine that lost software support after only 3.5 years.

I don't think Apple is fully about built in obsolescence , but they've pulled plenty of moves that unnecessarily shortened the life of hardware.

In my opinion Apple delivered on their promise, my iPad 2 works much better under iOS 9 than iOS 8.

 

[oldmacs]

In my opinion Apple delivered on their promise, my iPad 2 works much better under iOS 9 than iOS 8.

Oh please, at risk of repeating another argument - show me then. Every single video, test and everything shows slower performance. I've been testing iOS 9.1 all week to see if its better on my spare iPad 2 and its not. Its slower. Safari is slower - pages load slower, there is added lag in tapping applications, things are dumped faster from the ram in multitasking - and this is a clean install of iOS 9 - yet it can't match 8.4.1 with my full of acclimated cruft backup that has been carried from the iOS 4 days.

Show me iOS 9 performing faster on an iPad 2 over a clean install of 8.4.1 - then I'll be happy to share your option, and quite honestly, happy to upgrade my main iPad 2, as keeping it on 8.4.1 is already annoying me.

I guess i can be happy at least some people are happy with performance. Unfortunately until they make it as fast as 8.4.1 on a clean install I won't be amongst the happy people.

Edit to the above - I guess it is down to opinion whether or not performance has improved or not. I would suspect that possibly it has for some people, on the other hand some don't notice slow downs and some don't care.

 

[I7guy]

Oh please, at risk of repeating another argument - show me then. Every single video, test and everything shows slower performance. I've been testing iOS 9.1 all week to see if its better on my spare iPad 2 and its not. Its slower. Safari is slower - pages load slower, there is added lag in tapping applications, things are dumped faster from the ram in multitasking - and this is a clean install of iOS 9 - yet it can't match 8.4.1 with my full of acclimated cruft backup that has been carried from the iOS 4 days.

Show me iOS 9 performing faster on an iPad 2 over a clean install of 8.4.1 - then I'll be happy to share your option, and quite honestly, happy to upgrade my main iPad 2, as keeping it on 8.4.1 is already annoying me.

I guess i can be happy at least some people are happy with performance. Unfortunately until they make it as fast as 8.4.1 on a clean install I won't be amongst the happy people.

There is plenty of evidence all around. Of course if safari doesn't crash on iOS 9 as it did on iOS 8 it's already faster as its useable.

 

[oldmacs]

There is plenty of evidence all around. Of course if safari doesn't crash on iOS 9 as it did on iOS 8 it's already faster as its useable.

There is no evidence. Apart from a few people on Macrumours, everyone I know with an iPad 2 wants to chuck their iPad out the window.

Can i suggest your iOS 8 install was corrupt? Safari in has iOS 8 probably crashed 5 times for me in over a year - e.g. not very often. Just because iOS 9 may have fixed a dodgy install doesn't make it a faster operating system. And even if it did fix safari, that doesn't account for slowness through the rest of the operating system.

 

[Max(IT)]

Yes I did as it performed poorly on the iPad Mini 2, however I am more dismayed at iOS 9 - Apple made a song and dance and even promised performance improvements in the iOS 9 upgrade notes, then managed to make it slower.

And you are going to complain about iOS 10....

Oh give me a freaking break. Customers are not responsible for everything Apple does/doesn't do. Apple kept A5 devices around WAY too long. The iPod Touch 5 was touted as their premium iPod right up until recently and the Mini 1 was also sold til recently. Apple has built up a brand reputation around quality products, and continued selling the 4S, iPad 2, Mini 1 and Touch 5 as premium devices - Apple stores still endorsed people buying them. So iOS 9 should have run about the same on these devices. If you've actually bothered looking at what iOS 9 brings for these devices, you'll realise very little was added, so why should perform be worse?

Customers are responsible for their purchases.
Someone who bought an iPad mini or an iPhone 4S in 2014 was very short sighted (to be polite).

Quite evil considering they were selling G4 machines right up into 2006. Expensive computers deserve more than 3 years support, especially given Apple supported iTunes on XP right up until recently, yet it couldn't support Safari or iTunes on PPC macs past around the 2010/2011 mark. Microsoft has done a great job of maintaining support for low end machines, and its done wonders even on the newer devices. Windows 10 performs well and manages to do support heaps of machines. The last of the PPC Macs should have gotten at least 5 years support- they should have received a stripped down version of Lion. The 2007/2008 C2D Macs should also be able to run El Capitan. Now that is built in obsolesce given the only reason they can not officially run 10.8 and up is Apple not writing a driver for the graphics. That as a nice kick in the guts - $1800 for a machine that lost software support after only 3.5 years.

Again, someone who bought a PPC Mac in 2006 could use your machine without limitations until 2010/2011. A more than reasonable period considering how old the PPC architecture was in 2006.
They shouldn't have bought a PPC Mac in 2006 .....

2007/2008 Macs ? Dude it's 2015 ! Move on...
Those Macs are old and they can continue to work for a few more years running Mavericks without any issue...

In my opinion Apple delivered on their promise, my iPad 2 works much better under iOS 9 than iOS 8.

iPad 2 is ANCIENT HARDWARE, and it is still supported.
But haters gonna hate...
I have to work with iPad minis in my organization (it's difficult to find the funds to replace 52 working devices), and they are working just fine with iOS 9.1
Performance aren't stellar, but they are totally usable.

Oh please, at risk of repeating another argument - show me then. Every single video, test and everything shows slower performance. I've been testing iOS 9.1 all week to see if its better on my spare iPad 2 and its not. Its slower. Safari is slower - pages load slower, there is added lag in tapping applications, things are dumped faster from the ram in multitasking - and this is a clean install of iOS 9 - yet it can't match 8.4.1 with my full of acclimated cruft backup that has been carried from the iOS 4 days.

Show me iOS 9 performing faster on an iPad 2 over a clean install of 8.4.1 - then I'll be happy to share your option, and quite honestly, happy to upgrade my main iPad 2, as keeping it on 8.4.1 is already annoying me.

I guess i can be happy at least some people are happy with performance. Unfortunately until they make it as fast as 8.4.1 on a clean install I won't be amongst the happy people.

I don't even waste my time on those ridiculous YouTube videos ...
Your iPad 2 is OLD, deal with that.
It's just old.
But still usable...

 

[Max(IT)]

There is no evidence. Apart from a few people on Macrumours, everyone I know with an iPad 2 wants to chuck their iPad out the window.

Can i suggest your iOS 8 install was corrupt? Safari in has iOS 8 probably crashed 5 times for me in over a year - e.g. not very often. Just because iOS 9 may have fixed a dodgy install doesn't make it a faster operating system. And even if it did fix safari, that doesn't account for slowness through the rest of the operating system.

It's not faster: it's BETTER in any single aspect.

 

[oldmacs]

And you are going to complain about iOS 10....

If performance is slow and the release is buggy (yet again) I will. Apple should be able to do better.

Customers are responsible for their purchases.
Someone who bought an iPad mini or an iPhone 4S in 2014 was very short sighted (to be polite).

Again, blinded by love for Apple you will blame customers. If Apple wants to sell devices as premium in 2015, then they should run iOS 9 well.

Again, someone who bought a PPC Mac in 2006 could use your machine without limitations until 2010/2011. A more than reasonable period considering how old the PPC architecture was in 2006.
They shouldn't have bought a PPC Mac in 2006 .....

3/4 years is not a reasonable span of time. There were limitations as soon as Snow Leopard came out. I would know, I had a PPC Mac at the time. If they planned dropping support, they should have no longer been selling PPC macs in 2006 - or they should have warned buyers. Its not always the buyer's fault.

2007/2008 Macs ? Dude it's 2015 ! Move on...
Those Macs are old and they can continue to work for a few more years running Mavericks without any issue...

Again - Given Windows runs on older devices its not acceptable. Planned obsolesce is very obvious there. And you're wrong. They ended support with Lion. 3.5 years of support on a $1800 device is not ok.

iPad 2 is ANCIENT HARDWARE, and it is still supported.
But haters gonna hate...
I have to work with iPad minis in my organization (it's difficult to find the funds to replace 52 working devices), and they are working just fine with iOS 9.1
Performance aren't stellar, but they are totally usable.

Give me one reason iOS 9 should be slower on these devices than iOS 8? If its ancient hardware then Apple should not have sold it to early 2014 and it should not have sold the performance identical Mini 1 till mid 2015.

I don't even waste my time on those ridiculous YouTube videos ...
Your iPad 2 is OLD, deal with that.
It's just old.
But still usable...

Thats because you would like to ignore reality as it portrays your beloved Apple in a bad light. Deal with that.

Or give me a good reason why iOS 9 should be slower on an iPad 2 than iOS 8 was.

Regardless how well iOS 9 performs on an iPad 2 isn't really the the argument here.

The argument is that Apple has definitely made choices that have shorted the life of its products. 3.5 years for a Mac is simply unacceptable. I get you seem to have the money to replace machines left right and centre, but I certainly don't and many other people also fall into the category of not having the money.

I guess though apple can rely on people standing up for them stuffing over consumers.

 

[oldmacs]

It's not faster: it's BETTER in any single aspect.

I don't know what you mean here. If you read the upgrade notes on iOS 9 if you have an iPad 2, it promises faster performance and it definitely has not delivered. If you have some nice conclusive proof that its more stable or faster or even the same as iOS 8 on these devices please show me I'd love to see it (Where iOS 8.4.1 and 9 are both clean installs)

 

[I7guy]

Edit to the above - I guess it is down to opinion whether or not performance has improved or not. I would suspect that possibly it has for some people, on the other hand some don't notice slow downs and some don't care.

It's a four generation old piece of hardware running an o/s three generations ahead. Take an older dual core pentium setup, run Windows XP load up a video editor and take a stab at editing several gigs worth of 4K videos.

I'm happy my iPad works as well as it does and for my purposes better than iOS 6,7,8.

 

[oldmacs]

It's a four generation old piece of hardware running an o/s three generations ahead. Take an older dual core pentium setup, run Windows XP load up a video editor and take a stab at editing several gigs worth of 4K videos.

A completely invalid comparison. I'm not asking the iPad 2 to do anything other than the same stuff it has always done, yet it is slower. A more valid comparison would be loading Windows 7 not that XP machine.

I'm happy my iPad works as well as it does and for my purposes better than iOS 6,7,8.

You must have had a stuffed up install of iOS 6 and 7. No wonder iOS 9 feels faster - it fixed some weirdo flaws with your installs iOS 6 7 and 8. iOS 6 and 7 are faster than 8 and 9. There is no question of that.

 

[Max(IT)]

If performance is slow and the release is buggy (yet again) I will. Apple should be able to do better.

The only buggy release I can remember is iOS 8.0 so far...
Apple is providing me a better experience year after year.
I'm much more happy about my iPad Air today than I was two years ago with iOS 7.

Again, blinded by love for Apple you will blame customers. If Apple wants to sell devices as premium in 2015, then they should run iOS 9 well.

Apple sells devices. Not premium. That word is meaningless.
Apple devices from 2014/2015 are running iOS 9 flawlessly. Actually iOS 9 is running great even on very old devices from 2012 (iPhone 5).

3/4 years is not a reasonable span of time. There were limitations as soon as Snow Leopard came out. I would know, I had a PPC Mac at the time. If they planned dropping support, they should have no longer been selling PPC macs in 2006 - or they should have warned buyers. Its not always the buyer's fault.

It is , if you are buying an already dying architecture.
In 2006 everyone knew apple was jumping ship to Intel.
I waited for the new Intel iMac to buy my new Mac then.
If you bought a PPC Mac in 2006 I would blame you.
Btw , those macs were still perfectly usable until 2011 or even after that....
You don't need the latest OS X version to run your applications.

Again - Given Windows runs on older devices its not acceptable. Planned obsolesce is very obvious there. And you're wrong. They ended support with Lion. 3.5 years of support on a $1800 device is not ok.

Who cares about Windows ?
Your $1800 devices was running just fine running Leopard even a few years after that. They didn't cease working.

Give me one reason iOS 9 should be slower on these devices than iOS 8?



Thats because you would like to ignore reality as it portrays your beloved Apple in a bad light. Deal with that.

Or give me a good reason why iOS 9 should be slower on an iPad 2 than iOS 8 was.

I can't see anything slower , btw it's perfectly reasonable that an OS written to run on 64 bits newer SOCs isn't optimized for such an old hardware (and such a small memory) like an iPad 2.

 

[I7guy]

A completely invalid comparison. I'm not asking the iPad 2 to do anything other than the same stuff it has always done, yet it is slower. A more valid comparison would be loading Windows 7 not that XP machine.



You must have had a stuffed up install of iOS 6 and 7. No wonder iOS 9 feels faster - it fixed some weirdo flaws with your installs iOS 6 7 and 8. iOS 6 and 7 are faster than 8 and 9. There is no question of that.

Launching an app faster, which is what you are referring to, does not equate to better usability. Having safari not crash is an example of what I'm referring to.

 

[Max(IT)]

Launching an app faster, which is what you are referring to, does not equate to better usability. Having safari not crash is an example of what I'm referring to.

Absolutely.
Still have to see iOS 9 crashing on any of my iDevices....