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canesalato

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It won't be. The A9X was designed specifically for the Pro, meaning the larger battery that goes with it. The A9X in its current form would be too power hungry for a 9.7" iPad. So it'll have to be downclocked at the very least, that much is guaranteed.
Could be, but you could also be wrong. We need to wait for more data. :)
The iPad pro seems to have a lot of empty space inside... (huge speakers)
 

oldmacs

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It won't be. The A9X was designed specifically for the Pro, meaning the larger battery that goes with it. The A9X in its current form would be too power hungry for a 9.7" iPad. So it'll have to be downclocked at the very least, that much is guaranteed.

Just as the Mini 4 couldn't handle the A8X so they plopped an A8 inside it instead. Well, it could have I'd they'd made it a little thicker but Apple only goes thicker when there's no other option (iPad 3/iPad 4 and the Retina displays)

We don't know that - I obviously don't mean the exact specifications. I meant something similar 4GB of ram + A9X in some capacity.
 

Radon87000

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It crashed plenty on mine.
Well it's not a fact.iOS 9 performs worse than 8.4.1 on my Mini

You know it's funny.When I type "Planned Obsolescence" the browser suggests "Apple" as its first suggestion and in the search results the entire page only has Apple.Yet fanboys continue to be in denial
 
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I7guy

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You know it's funny.When I type "Planned Obsolescence" the browser suggests "Apple" as its first suggestion and in the search results the entire page only has Apple.Yet fanboys continue to be in denial
Maybe pointless threads like this contribute to such nonsense on web searches? For the record, again, the concept of planned obsolescence is about controlling the ultimate cost the consumer pays for goods by making choices in manufacturing; somehow that concept got twisted into a nefarious plan by manufacturers to slyly get a consumer to continue buying a new product by deliberately breaking the product and having the consumer think it was their idea to upgrade.
 
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Cakefish

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Could be, but you could also be wrong. We need to wait for more data. :)
The iPad pro seems to have a lot of empty space inside... (huge speakers)
Good point. Didn't think about the extra speakers. I would assume it'd be impossible to fit both the new speakers and the full powered A9X in the 9.7" form factor though and retain 10 hour battery life. The A9X will therefore have to be downclocked. If it doesn't then Apple truly botched the Pro hardware by not taking advantage of the larger form factor.
 

canesalato

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Good point. Didn't think about the extra speakers. I would assume it'd be impossible to fit both the new speakers and the full powered A9X in the 9.7" form factor though and retain 10 hour battery life. The A9X will therefore have to be downclocked.
I would prefer a non downclocked A9x on the Air 3 and not having the new speakers :)
 

Cakefish

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I would prefer a non downclocked A9x on the Air 3 and not having the new speakers :)
The stereo speakers are the main factor in why I'm jealous of the Pro, so in my opinion that's what would entice me to upgrade the most. That doesn't mean I'm not envious of the A9X.

Though it's not just battery life they have to consider but thermals too. Larger and thicker body of the Pro allows greater heat dissipation. It's quite likely that Apple will make the Air 3 even thinner, judging by their history.

Apple did say that the A9X was specifically designed for the 12.9" form factor. If they could plop it in an Air without even down clocking, it would prove that they a) were lying or b) did a lousy job of it. Either way, it would be extremely embarrassing for Apple and hurt the Pro severely. A 'professional' tablet with no more performance than its consumer orientated, much cheaper, much smaller sibling - laughable.

I definitely think the Air 3's SOC will be slightly down-clocked in comparison to the Pro. That's just my educated guess.
 

_Refurbished_

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Or some people will actually stop "whining" so much? It's not "me" that's preventing a "good" discussion it's the "fanboys". You do like your pejorative terms.

In a thread revolving around providing visual evidence, you provided none. There was nothing further to discuss.
 

C DM

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It would be possible if some people actually stopped fanboying Apple so much
In many cases it's more that some people over-exaggerate and take practically everything to absolutes and extremes, and basically treat anyone that doesn't simply agree as a "fanboy" (the mere fact that the term gets applied is already mare than telling usually).
 

Tubamajuba

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You know it's funny.When I type "Planned Obsolescence" the browser suggests "Apple" as its first suggestion and in the search results the entire page only has Apple.Yet fanboys continue to be in denial
I just searched "global warming hoax" and the first page was full of results that talk about how scientists have been fabricating data about climate change. Regardless of your personal beliefs on global warming, you must concede that such deception is happening. Keep enjoying those cherries you've been picking.

The truth is, you just choose to see all the negative things about Apple products. Which is understandable, there are many other people that visit Apple websites like this one just to complain about Apple.
 
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TRDmanAE86

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I just searched "global warming hoax" and the first page was full of results that talk about how scientists have been fabricating data about climate change. Regardless of your personal beliefs on global warming, you must concede that such deception is happening. Keep enjoying those cherries you've been picking.

The truth is, you just choose to see all the negative things about Apple products. Which is understandable, there are many other people that visit Apple websites like this one just to complain about Apple.

"Man serves the interests of no creature except himself." (George Orwell, Animal Farm)

You bring up a great point. We all have different eyes. With these different perspectives, we choose to see what we see and, choose to believe in what we believe. that is why this is a hot topic(with tons of debate) with many of the same faces on many other threads (I'm not trying to single anyone out but, just state the facts.)
 

crashoverride77

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Absolutely.
Still have to see iOS 9 crashing on any of my iDevices....

yes, how people completly ignore that is beyond me. iOS 9 is rock solid, especially compared to 7 and 8, its not even close.
I even had some person tell me that speed is more important than stability. Lmao.

Planned obsolesence is real. No matter how much Apple fanboys deny it.

Apple will PURPOSELY leave 1 or 2 animations stuttery or laggy for devices 1 generation older.

For example,
1) iPad Air 1 was flawless on iOS 7. But when iOS 8 came out, it started to stutter in Safari when keyboard was brought up. Safari was really painful to use.
2) Now iPad Air 2 was also flawless on iOS 8 throughout. People even joked that it's ridiculously overpowered for the software that runs it. But then came iOS 9! It caused stutter on it during multitasking animation.

So there will always be that 1 magical animation somewhere which will lag, stutter or do both.

Apple is not trying to be obvious with their approach, but that is enough to convince people which is the better product during side by side comparison in the store. People are already on the fence leaning towards the upgrade to a newer device. This provices just the right amount of nudge to tip the scales in Apple's favor.

I openly challenge all Apple fanboys here to prove to me that the above 2 scenarios are false and are some figment of my imagination.

stop talking nonsense.

Tell me how good ios 7 was before 7.1? You are lying if you say it was usable.
Same for ios 8 until 8.3/8.4.

iOS 9.0 beats 7.0 and 8.0 any day of the week, its not even close.

Seriously, please somehow get hold of an iDevice running 7.0 or 8.0 and come back here and let me know how great they were.

You are in denial.
 
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vista980622

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Yes, because they didn't release new iPods AND iPhones every year under Steve Jobs.:rolleyes:

Apple has stopped releasing new iPod every year since 2013.

I was also disappointed by Apple abandoning PPC customers. They should have actually informed people in 2005 and 2006 who were buying PPC Macs that their machines would have been obsolete within 3 years. Had Apple supported at least the G4/G5 machines for a couple more years (they were still capable enough) it would have been a fair better deal. Windows 10 runs on the same PCs that can run Vista I believe, to the extent that my 2008 Macbook White (Which Apple dumped support for after a mere 3.5 years) can run Windows 10 on par with my 2012 Macbook Pro on El Capitan.

Apple didn't know at the time.
When engineers initially worked on Snow Leopard, they spent a lot of time and effort adapting the build for both PowerPC and Intel. PowerPC builds was initially buggy and unstable, and ultimately pulled due to limited timeframe and resources.

stop talking nonsense.

Tell me how good ios 7 was before 7.1? You are lying if you say it was usable.
Same for ios 8 until 8.3/8.4.

iOS 9.0 beats 7.0 and 8.0 any day of the week, its not even close.

Seriously, please somehow get hold of an iDevice running 7.0 or 8.0 and come back here and let me know how great they were.

You are in denial.

You got 7.1 and 8.3 right. They made iOS 7 and iOS 8 usable.
I'm waiting for that bug fix/performance improvement update for iOS 9. iOS 9.2 could be a candidate.
 
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crashoverride77

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You got 7.1 and 8.3 right. They made iOS 7 and iOS 8 usable.
I'm waiting for that bug fix/performance improvement update for iOS 9. iOS 9.2 could be a candidate.

yes, agreed, 9.2 is looking good. Once metal is polished enough I think we will see even more improvements aka similar to ElCapitan and Yosemite, I hope
I take a slightly slower/more laggy .0 version of ios 9 than ever going back to the respring, crash, freeze and general bug fest that was iOS8 and iOS7.
 
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