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Planned Obsolescence...
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Why are you even posting in this thread? If it bothers you, ignore the thread. I bet you can't.
Why are people posting the same things in this and other thread? They are free to post their commentary, just as I'm free to post mine.
I'm getting the idea that someone's paying him to say Apple devices always have perfect performance. Every time I tell him to watch my "smoking gun" lag video of a 6s Plus, he ignores it in his reply or refuses to reply altogether.
I wonder what iPhone he has, because he never talks about his personal experience with his own phone either.
I always thought Apple's planned obsolescence strategy was clear after iOS 7 on the iPhone 4. It's really not a debate unless it's about the degree of performance degradation. With the 6s, the degradation seems to have started with 9.1.
And for the OP, equal performance between iOS 8 and 9 isn't good enough if Apple has been promising improved performance.
If you ask me, I think you just want to jack your post count. Your posts in this thread have nothing to do with the topic, just as much as my replies to you. I am guilty as well now. Share your experiences rather than complain that people are still complaining.
I've already commented on all of this many times in previous existing threads on the topic. Doesn't seem like there's much need to keep on rehashing the same things over and over...which is basically what my commentary is about.
You have no issues complaining about someone who is supposedly complaining about others complaining (while also coming up with some wild theories about this or that about someone's motives)...yet that's the kind of thing you seem to be complaining about. Since you seem to say that this discussion doesn't seem to have much to do with the thread, seems like there isn't a point in continuing it and taking the thread further off topic.
Ok fair enough. Can you maybe share your praises/complaints/experiences with iOS 9 ?
As I mentioned, it already has been done numerous times in various previous threads about iOS 9. (And this thread isn't really about that anyway, even though it keeps on getting into that area with essentially the same things being talked about as in many of those other existing threads, mostly by the same people.)
You want commentary on that? Sure.
Anyone who believes Apple has crippled their latest flagship phones as some sort of "planned obsolescence" needs to have their head examined. This whole crazy theory is based on the premise that Apple slows down your device to get you to purchase a new one. So what device do YOU think Apple is trying to push people towards? Because unless I've been left out of the loop, there isn't an upgrade path today from the 6S/6S Plus. Not if you want to stay with Apple. Or do you think Apple wants people to jump ship?
That video may prove (can't watch at work) that there are issues with the latest phones and iOS 9. But how does that tie into the topic of this thread? Are you suggesting that Apple wants people to dump their brand new 6S / 6S Plus? Or is this just another off-topic post where it doesn't belong? If so, please take your video back to the proper thread and not derail this one. There have to be half a dozen threads where this video would feel right at home.
The point is that Apple is negligent when it comes to performance nowadays, which has made their planned obsolescence strategy more obvious. The iPhone 4 is the best example of this.
I didn't post that video to make a point about planned obsolescence, but about C DM's inability to debate me directly about iPhone performance problems for the 50th time. I didn't say anything about planned obsolescence and the iPhone 6s. I said it about the iPhone 4 from the beginning and that post was to call him out for complaining about what he saw in other threads where he whined the exact same way while refusing to acknowledge that video.
So basically you post things that are off topic and/or of baiting nature and then want to complain that people don't reply to them (or complain that the replies say that it's all already been covered before and rehashing isn't useful at all). Let's not keep on derailing this thread any further with some unnecessary personal agenda.
Take your own advice, please.
Also, I linked that video on the thread directly about 9.1 lag and you did the same sidestepping and "personal agenda" complaining, so stop telling me you refuse to acknowledge it because of the thread topic.
I've tried keeping myself on topic by making points about the iPhone 4 while you have made repetitive posts here not even directly replying to anyone, complaining that the planned obsolescence thread is mentioning performance. You are the one who's not saying anything about iOS devices here.
But YOUR video is an iPhone 6S Plus. So again, unless you're proving the point that Apple wants people to throw out their Apple devices and purchase a new one from someone else, then it really doesn't fit in this thread.
Then contact him directly. This thread is about Planned Obsolescence, not about your private issues with another member.
If you're not trying to say anything about planned obsolescence, then why post here? Why post a video of an iPhone 6S Plus having issues in a thread about planned obsolescence if you're not trying to make a comment about the iPhone 6S Plus and planned obsolescence?
So you're following him around the site making off-topics posts? Seriously? You can't handle this privately? You can't handle this in the appropriate threads? You can't ignore him? You're chasing him around trying to get him to "acknowledge a video"?
I'm not a CD M super fan and couldn't tell you what's he's been posting and what he needs to reply to. But what does come to mind is him complaining about people making off-topic posts to, yet again, bring up lag and stutter. It seems to me that he's said (and I'd have to go back and verify) that those posts should stay in the threads where that's already being discussed and we don't need to bog down every single other conversation on the site with the same old people making the same old arguments. And here you are chasing him around trying to bring up stuff that doesn't really belong in this thread.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Oddly enough, your video is my main purpose for calling BS on planned obsolescence. If there were any truth to it, the latest phones would be flawless while every other phone would start seeing degradation. But that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing that even the very latest thing Apple has to offer has issues. So in my opinion, either Apple doesn't want customers or there is no "planned obsolescence". Not the variety being described here at any rate. I know that Apple doesn't plan for every model iPhone ever to always work perfectly till the end of the world. There IS that planned obsolescence and it's no different than Microsoft not supporting Windows 95. But that's a far stretch from Apple deliberately adding code that only exists to annoy people enough to toss out their phone, but not so much that they switch brands. That's just lunacy and no way to build customer loyalty.
This thread is itself about lag and stutter caused by planned obsolescence.
Everyone is trying to post their UI experience in this thread. Some people like me and many others are getting ticked off because posters like C DM are simply ignoring our posts and videos about lag and stutter and mking one line statements that whatever we are saying is fabricated.
The lag, stutter... it's all there in those 60 fps videos. Yet no one has posted a single video to claim that 64 bit iDevices utilizing metal on iOS 9 are running butter smooth 60 fps. Unless there is a proper video to prove us wrong, all these hollow counter arguments by @C DM and gang are pointless.
Another possibility is that, Apple may have lost their key software engineers who had originally coded transparency and scrolling effects. Their replacements may not have had a good grasp of previous code and hence are struggling with it. Has anyone noticed, the stutters occur at those places, where a new animation is introduced. Eg. Multitasking menu.
Everyone is trying to post their UI experience in this thread. Some people like me and many others are getting ticked off because posters like C DM are simply ignoring our posts and videos about lag and stutter and mking one line statements that whatever we are saying is fabricated.
The lag, stutter... it's all there in those 60 fps videos. Yet no one has posted a single video to claim that 64 bit iDevices utilizing metal on iOS 9 are running butter smooth 60 fps. Unless there is a proper video to prove us wrong, all these hollow counter arguments by @C DM and gang are pointless.
Another possibility is that, Apple may have lost their key software engineers who had originally coded transparency and scrolling effects. Their replacements may not have had a good grasp of previous code and hence are struggling with it. Has anyone noticed, the stutters occur at those places, where a new animation is introduced. Eg. Multitasking menu.
I said something about anything being fabricated or anything even related to that in this thread? Who exactly is fabricating things here?
I didn't say I was trying not to talk about the topic. I said the 6s wasn't my example of Apple's planned obsolescence. I said before that the iPhone 4 is an example. That's why I posted here and it's what I posted here, too.
I didn't seek C DM to find him saying these things. He has over 20,000 posts and it's hard not to find him replying to threads. I saw his multiple posts here and I wanted to tell him my disagreements. He was calling out people like me for complaining about bad performance and he got the response he should have expected. He posted all over the place trying to downplay complaints but when I give him that indisputable video, he refuses to acknowledge it because it supports the people complaining about performance getting worse. I call out bias and baseless defense when I see it.
Also, even though I didn't intend to use the 6s Plus for a planned obsolescence example, both the 6s and 6s Plus saw performance degradation just from iOS 9.1. That fits the criteria here when it comes to the point of Apple neglecting performance in its software updates so when they release new devices, what seems faster on the newest phones only seems fast because the past devices were unnecessarily slowed down. That's why an iPhone 5 with iOS 6 or even 7 can feel just as smooth. Even though the 6s is the newest phone and there's no way to upsell anyone, iOS 9 hasn't been anything good for showing how much Apple cares about maintaining or improving performance.
It's even worse when you consider how that was a major goal of iOS 9.
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There is a lot of that going around. IOS 9 is well on it's way even if every nook and cranny isn't perfect on the 6s.
Realizing that is one persons opinion, what I saw on the video wouldn't bother me in the least. All of that performance stuff will be sorted out. That's my opinion (one person's opinion)
To me the smoking gun is typing on the keyboard.
What bloat or enhancements to the OS would consistently making typing slow down to a crawl?
My iPhone 4S on iOS 6 typed instantly. Updated to iOS 8 and the same exact action of typing an email was stupidly slow.
Typing and having letters appear on a screen is something my VIC 20 from the early 80's had no problem with. I was also fine on my far slower iPhone 3G on iOS 3.
To me it's proof that Apple purposely slows down older devices. I don't mean they neglect to optimise them. I mean they actively slow down typing. It's consistent and there's no way every single new OS magically breaks the simple task of typing on older devices.
I absolutely love my extensive Apple ecosystem. I have 3 MBPs. 2 iPads. An Apple TV. 5 iPhones etc. But there's just no question on this one.
Can one of you tell me with a straight face that the iPhone 4S just doesn't have the processing power to type letters on a screen without crazy lag?
What bloat or enhancements to the OS would consistently making typing slow down to a crawl?
My iPhone 4S on iOS 6 typed instantly. Updated to iOS 8 and the same exact action of typing an email was stupidly slow.
Typing and having letters appear on a screen is something my VIC 20 from the early 80's had no problem with. I was also fine on my far slower iPhone 3G on iOS 3.
To me it's proof that Apple purposely slows down older devices. I don't mean they neglect to optimise them. I mean they actively slow down typing. It's consistent and there's no way every single new OS magically breaks the simple task of typing on older devices.
I absolutely love my extensive Apple ecosystem. I have 3 MBPs. 2 iPads. An Apple TV. 5 iPhones etc. But there's just no question on this one.
Can one of you tell me with a straight face that the iPhone 4S just doesn't have the processing power to type letters on a screen without crazy lag?
I think just as I have with past iOS updates I will wait for Apple to smooth out the experience. I have used iOS since 2.x, Yes 7.0 is where I started to notice a bit more of a decline. I don't think there is a 'planned' obsolescence, it simply comes down to hardware not being good enough to support the newest software. In the case of iOS 8 and 9 Apple hasn't been on point. Why is it that dynamic wallpapers now lag when they never did in iOS 7, starting in 8 the wallpaper had to 'reset' on even iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. iOS 9 fixed the refreshing and is now fixing the animations which slowed down. I have NOT noticed a decline in performance between 9.1 and 9.0 on iPhone 6s Plus, and I personally can vouch for 9.2 making things even FASTER than the initial release. I don't understand whats so hard to understand? Hasn't Apple been great at polishing things up before a new software appears? iOS 7.1.2, 8.4.1 BOTH ended on a good note, I am sure 9.x.x will also end things on a better note. Therefore, I am not worried and in my opinion everyone should just be using their devices instead of looking deeply for lags and stutters, send Apple Feedback on the Dev Portal, or Feedback Assistant, or the product improvement page if this irks you. Apple will listen if enough people make a fuss over it. Be proactive and get it accomplished, even if it comes to suing Apple if thats your cup of tea.
Maybe really the reason Metal. Why iPhone 5 has better Performance e.g in control center,app switcher as 5s. When many apps in app switcher and video player with music in background or PiP from 3rd apps. Then lag very lag iOS multitasking.
Metal is good in Games. But not for iOS rendering.
Fact is we need Metal 2.0. More quality,smooth,good battery time,everywhere in iOS system
Metal is good in Games. But not for iOS rendering.
Fact is we need Metal 2.0. More quality,smooth,good battery time,everywhere in iOS system
My iPad Air 2 does have lags and they are trying to push people to buy iPad Pro by slowing Air 2 down
I highly doubt Apple purposefully slows down iOS devices - however the last couple of iOS releases have been rush jobs, which probably explains issues. iOS 7 wasn't really really till 7.1. iOS 8 wasn't really ready till 8.3, though I would argue that not even 8.4.1 was truly there.
They've got nothing to gain from purposefully slowing the 6S or iPad Air 2, they do however seem to have a marketing department dictate their iOS release cycles rather than those developing the software.
Maybe if iOS was put on a 1.5 year cycle it would be better. They'd have to release new devices with iOS x.x point updates, but it might be worth it if it brought a better first version. With the public beta, it would mean anyone who really wanted to upgrade still could. The general public would just get a more finished version.
They've got nothing to gain from purposefully slowing the 6S or iPad Air 2, they do however seem to have a marketing department dictate their iOS release cycles rather than those developing the software.
Maybe if iOS was put on a 1.5 year cycle it would be better. They'd have to release new devices with iOS x.x point updates, but it might be worth it if it brought a better first version. With the public beta, it would mean anyone who really wanted to upgrade still could. The general public would just get a more finished version.
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