Planned Obsolescence...

[roadbloc]

Don't make the mistake of comparing PC to Mobile refreshes.

Okay. But Apple are even worse for it in the mobile space. Legacy iOS's have received ZERO support from Apple. Not a whisper. It's either upgrade (and suffer performance issues in most cases involving older phone models) or get left behind and watch functionality disappear from your iPhone over a year as Apple drop support for services.

If you are happy with the performance of your machines then great, not many here would be. Having a "loyal group of developers" to support your Ipaq or whatever PPC you have has nothing to do with Microsoft and is in the hobbyist faction not real world use. If you are comfortable running an unsupported XP OS then unless you have a Steve Gibson skill level, you are hanging it all out safety wise. Try putting the current Windows 10 on your Wintel , while listening to your Zune and get back to us about upgrade obsolescence and how Apple sucks. Again" within reason" sounds like a hobbyist not something most would care to deal with. When my Mac Pro 1.1 reached premature end of life software wise it pissed me off, but it still heats my office is as well as it did when new.
I keep I,t never use it just because internally/externally it is a work of art. Everything built in the last few years runs rings around it.

You lost me here, but my Samsung craptop works with Windows 10 just fine. Finally upgraded it yesterday. But even if it didn't, Windows 7 and 8.x have many many more years of support left because Microsoft actually provide some decent support for legacy users. If you're okay with your devices becoming expensive paperweights/room heaters after 3-4 years, then by all means keep on buying Apple. But for me, I've spent enough and been burned enough by their lousy legacy support and very very obvious planned obsolescence.

And their devices are nowhere near as good as they used to be for the price, but that is another topic.

 

[fardeenah]

it is a fact that every ios version u install on your device slows it more and more. there is no denying it. but that really should not be the case, look at windows 7,8,10 , same hardware requirements and it runs faster with each version, same as lollipop to marshmallow, the software got faster with the same hardware, it baffles me that every year new AX chip gets faster and faster , so fast to run high quality games but it lags so much compared to before as u upgrade, opening the freaking calculator got so slow going from ios 7 to ios 8 on my 4s, this really sucks, software should not slow hardware this much. it seems u need a new AX chip every year to keep up with the releases. i do think that apple philosophy of making software so requirement heavy is a thing instead of making it run lighter and smoother

 

[I7guy]

it is a fact that every ios version u install on your device slows it more and more. there is no denying it. but that really should not be the case, look at windows 7,8,10 , same hardware requirements and it runs faster with each version, same as lollipop to marshmallow, the software got faster with the same hardware, it baffles me that every year new AX chip gets faster and faster , so fast to run high quality games but it lags so much compared to before as u upgrade, opening the freaking calculator got so slow going from ios 7 to ios 8 on my 4s, this really sucks, software should not slow hardware this much. it seems u need a new AX chip every year to keep up with the releases. i do think that apple philosophy of making software so requirement heavy is a thing instead of making it run lighter and smoother

Except that Windows XP runs faster than Windows 7 on older hardware like a dual core pentium to add to your Windows analogy.

 

[roadbloc]

Except that Windows XP runs faster than Windows 7 on older hardware like a dual core pentium to add to your Windows analogy.

Upgrading Windows is optional at least, since Microsoft supports their legacy software. You have a choice unlike with Apple, where its upgrade or get left behind (and have your features and services slowly cut.)

 

[I7guy]

Upgrading Windows is optional at least, since Microsoft supports their legacy software. You have a choice unlike with Apple, where its upgrade or get left behind (and have your features and services slowly cut.)

Windows was never tied to hardware except for laptops o/s. Try updating an older laptop with a proprietary camera and buttons. Unless you pay for the vendor o/s, updating with the MS version usually finds your camera and buttons don't work after the upgrade. (Had this on two laptops)

 

[roadbloc]

Windows was never tied to hardware except for laptops o/s. Try updating an older laptop with a proprietary camera and buttons. Unless you pay for the vendor o/s, updating with the MS version usually finds your camera and buttons don't work after the upgrade. (Had this on two laptops)

That's just a driver issue, completely different topic.

 

[I7guy]

That's just a driver issue, completely different topic.

On one hand your analogy holds on the other it falls apart; as some versions of Windows are tied to the hardware just like iOS.

 

[roadbloc]

On one hand your analogy holds on the other it falls apart; as some versions of Windows are tied to the hardware just like iOS.

Rubbish. Been using Windows PCs all my life and I've yet to encounter or even hear about this. Many PCs are shipped with a Windows license built in, but it doesn't tie you to that OS alone. You can freely upgrade and downgrade as you please.

And even if for some bizarre reason you couldn't upgrade Windows, let's just say for arguments sake that you don't meet the specs, Microsoft support their legacy software. Hell, despite being out of support, Windows XP is perfectly adequate at doing the vast majority of tasks. The first version of OS X however, which was released a few months before XP, is frigging useless.

 

[I7guy]

Rubbish. Been using Windows PCs all my life and I've yet to encounter or even hear about this. Many PCs are shipped with a Windows license built in, but it doesn't tie you to that OS alone. You can freely upgrade and downgrade as you please.

And even if for some bizarre reason you couldn't upgrade Windows, let's just say for arguments sake that you don't meet the specs, Microsoft support their legacy software. Hell, despite being out of support, Windows XP is perfectly adequate at doing the vast majority of tasks. The first version of OS X however, which was released a few months before XP, is frigging useless.

Because you personally haven't seen cameras on laptops rendered useless via upgrades doesn't mean it never happened. The core of Windows hasn't really changed except for 64 bit...Microsoft has stayed out of the fray of hardware except via the inf files. But bad display drivers can render a system useless and if you can't get the proper video driver for whatever reason you're stuck in vga. So with branded Windows and proprietary hardware you are stuck.

 

[roadbloc]

Because you personally haven't seen cameras on laptops rendered useless via upgrades doesn't mean it never happened. The core of Windows hasn't really changed except for 64 bit...Microsoft has stayed out of the fray of hardware except via the inf files. But bad display drivers can render a system useless and if you can't get the proper video driver for whatever reason you're stuck in vga. So with branded Windows and proprietary hardware you are stuck.

And once again I point out that this isn't a result of planned obsolescence, it's a driver issue. And yet again I point out that you can use older versions of Windows that will work with your hardware because Microsoft doesn't drop support as soon as the successor is out. So on the unlikely event that a piece of hardware isn't functioning in the next Windows for whatever reason, you haven't been abandoned. Unlike Apple.

I'm sorry, but I get the feeling that you don't know what you're talking about. Because I'm having to repeat myself over and over and you just keep trying to twist the topic onto something else.

 

[I7guy]

And once again I point out that this isn't a result of planned obsolescence, it's a driver issue. And yet again I point out that you can use older versions of Windows that will work with your hardware because Microsoft doesn't drop support as soon as the successor is out. So on the unlikely event that a piece of hardware isn't functioning in the next Windows for whatever reason, you haven't been abandoned. Unlike Apple.

I'm sorry, but I get the feeling that you don't know what you're talking about. Because I'm having to repeat myself over and over and you just keep trying to twist the topic onto something else.

Okay. Microsoft has a completely different model and they are not tied to hardware. Yeah I feel like a broken record as well. Thx.

 

[roadbloc]

Okay. Microsoft has a completely different model and they are not tied to hardware. Yeah I feel like a broken record as well. Thx.

That's strange because you've been telling me that Microsoft has hardware tied to their OSs over and over. Whatever.

 

[Radon87000]

Because you personally haven't seen cameras on laptops rendered useless via upgrades doesn't mean it never happened. The core of Windows hasn't really changed except for 64 bit...Microsoft has stayed out of the fray of hardware except via the inf files. But bad display drivers can render a system useless and if you can't get the proper video driver for whatever reason you're stuck in vga. So with branded Windows and proprietary hardware you are stuck.

You don't get it.When there is a problem on A brand new Windows,I can fix it whenever I want.If a driver stops functioning I can still use the default Windows driver instead of the manufacturer's.On Google Nexus if an Android version lags I can actually downgrade to a specific version I want to and upgrade and downgrade however times I want
Apple is **** at support in contrast to both in this view

 

[DoctorKrabs]

Because you personally haven't seen cameras on laptops rendered useless via upgrades doesn't mean it never happened. The core of Windows hasn't really changed except for 64 bit...Microsoft has stayed out of the fray of hardware except via the inf files. But bad display drivers can render a system useless and if you can't get the proper video driver for whatever reason you're stuck in vga. So with branded Windows and proprietary hardware you are stuck.

The whole point is Apple putting out software that they know runs worse on old devices while blocking software that worked better.

1.) A driver for a camera that doesn't work isn't Microsoft crippling an older device and ignoring it, it's a consequence of Windows being an OS for many types of machines (AKA software that is not tied to hardware).

2.) Microsoft doesn't make it impossible to install earlier versions of Windows and if a new version breaks something or is less pleasurable to use, you can go back to a version you liked.

If Microsoft was like Apple in the planned obsolescence game, Windows 10 would run objectively worse on Windows 7 PCs and Windows 7 activations would be blocked, forcing anyone with a Windows 7 license to use Windows 10 instead. Microsoft is really pushing Windows 10 hard, but not that hard.

 

[JM]

Question for discussion: Why did Tim Cook get defensive/angry when asked about planned obsolescence? (I don't have time to find the article right now. Sorry )

 

[I7guy]

You don't get it.When there is a problem on A brand new Windows,I can fix it whenever I want.If a driver stops functioning I can still use the default Windows driver instead of the manufacturer's.On Google Nexus if an Android version lags I can actually downgrade to a specific version I want to and upgrade and downgrade however times I want
Apple is **** at support in contrast to both in this view

If there is lag on an android device can you go in and really fix it without rooting it? On a galaxy s6?

 

[I7guy]

The whole point is Apple putting out software that they know runs worse on old devices while blocking software that worked better.

1.) A driver for a camera that doesn't work isn't Microsoft crippling an older device and ignoring it, it's a consequence of Windows being an OS for many types of machines (AKA software that is not tied to hardware).

2.) Microsoft doesn't make it impossible to install earlier versions of Windows and if a new version breaks something or is less pleasurable to use, you can go back to a version you liked.

If Microsoft was like Apple in the planned obsolescence game, Windows 10 would run objectively worse on Windows 7 PCs and Windows 7 activations would be blocked, forcing anyone with a Windows 7 license to use Windows 10 instead. Microsoft is really pushing Windows 10 hard, but not that hard.

Why do people claim they are okay with the same devices people have been complaining about in these posts? Because they don't notice it?

 

[I7guy]

Question for discussion: Why did Tim Cook get defensive/angry when asked about planned obsolescence? (I don't have time to find the article right now. Sorry )

Maybe he got defensive because he's tired of people accusing Apple of same.

 

[roadbloc]

Why do people claim they are okay with the same devices people have been complaining about in these posts? Because they don't notice it?

Lolwut?

Maybe he got defensive because he's tired of people accusing Apple of same.

Accusations don't come from nowhere. There isn't smoke without fire.

 

[I7guy]

Lolwut?


Accusations don't come from nowhere. There isn't smoke without fire.

Accusations are just that. It's easy and simple to "accuse" and then "guilty as charged".

 

[roadbloc]

Accusations are just that. It's easy and simple to "accuse" and then "guilty as charged".

There is a reason people accuse Apple of planned obsolescence. Near enough the same reason I accused you of not knowing what you're on about. It's complete folly to think that accusations spring from nowhere. If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck.

 

[Radon87000]

If there is lag on an android device can you go in and really fix it without rooting it? On a galaxy s6?

On Android the steering wheel is in my hands.I can root it.Uninstall Samsung crap from it and completely turn it into a something else device.On the iPhone I have no choice

 

[I7guy]

On Android the steering wheel is in my hands.I can root it.Uninstall Samsung crap from it and completely turn it into a something else device.On the iPhone I have no choice

Right, root the Samsung and bye bye warranty? Ios is what it is; sorry to say take it or leave it.

 

[I7guy]

There is a reason people accuse Apple of planned obsolescence. Near enough the same reason I accused you of not knowing what you're on about. It's complete folly to think that accusations spring from nowhere. If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck.

Sure there is a reason; they are big and tight with their policies. However I still see guilty as accused not guilty as proved so I guess you are okay with the "lynch mob" approach.

 

[Radon87000]

Right, root the Samsung and bye bye warranty? Ios is what it is; sorry to say take it or leave it.

You can unroot the phone and restore it to stock state and the Samsung guys never know 9 times out of 10.And if you care about warranty so much get a Nexus 6P