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Planned Obsolescence...
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Lynch mob? Get real. I'm making posts on a forum, not creating havoc at the front doors of Apple's campus. Tell me one thing that I've fabricated in this thread, because the way I see it, I've been posting nothing but the truth.
No the way you've portrayed your views is they are guilty of planned obsolescence of purposefully causing performance issues to sell new units. Guilty as accused; "walks like a duck" etc
Yes... I think that's what the debate is.
Can you tell me what this is supposed to mean?
Gotta love how you completely ignored the "choice" part.Anyway the GS6 is a monster and the time when you need to root the device for good performance will be when the device is out of warranty any wayGotta love the 9 times out of 10.
Let me ask you a question.Can the processor of an iPad Mini 1 not handle simple things like typing on keyboard in web browser without input lag?
Can't the iPhone 6 A8 processor not handle some slight blur of the CC?The answer is in the face
There really is no choice if you have to go to potentially busting your warranty to fix an issue.
And the funny thing is by the time the problem occurs you are out of warranty anyway as planned obsolescence involves out of warranty products
Funny people have complained of lag on some android products right off the bat; that has little to do with planned obsolescence.
Planned obsolescence has nothing to do with warranty it has to do with lifespan. My microwave broke, turned out its obsoleted as it can't be fixed no more parts. My 10 year old shlepper subaru needed a minor repair. I purchased the part; that car is not as obsolete as my microwave. Planned obsolescence is the cost trade in manufacturing, not the sub-Rosa agenda of slyly producing software upgrades designed to render your phone unusable.
Or - and I've done this quite a few times since Vista - find another driver that works. I have never had Google fail to find me a driver that works, usually quite quickly.
Pretty good your 2 for 3 in the quote above
I think what many of us are saying here is that Apple engineers each major iOS update to "slow down" your device and, eventually make it so bad, you will go out and buy a new phone. This could be evident by there lack of downgrade policy?
Think of it from a business standpoint. By purposely sabotaging your products (after a period of 2 years give or take), you build a reputation with the customer and, he will be inclined to buy a new phone (or Apple Device).
Different people have different tolerance. For example, I know people who likes to theoretically keep there iPhones till they are unstable or completely outdated anymore ([eg, a friend bought a 3GS brand new and, kept it until this year due to the lack of apps supported by iOS 4 and the mediocre battery life she was getting!]) Other people I know are not tolerant at all. [another friend every single year, has to have the biggest[in storage] and newest iPhone just because, he can't stand having "outdated" technology.]
Thus, there are 2 gotya moments in the Apple Cycle. First, there is the one of "outdated" os. Apps have to be engineered to run on the newest software first and, is optional for the older ones. [If you update to a newer major version, you loose performance vs it's predecessor]
Then there is when a product becomes "antiquated" which happens after X years.
After 10 pages of discussion, you are still not getting our point? We all know that after 2-3 years, iOS update is going to make our devices madenningly slow. But since iOS 8 and 9, that cycle has been pushed to 1-2 years. We do not need to know about your 10 year old microwave or Subaru.
I hope enough noise is raised about stutter and lag so that Apple changes it's strategy.
Pretty good your 2 for 3 in the quote above
I think what many of us are saying here is that Apple engineers each major iOS update to "slow down" your device and, eventually make it so bad, you will go out and buy a new phone. This could be evident by there lack of downgrade policy?
Think of it from a business standpoint. By purposely sabotaging your products (after a period of 2 years give or take), you build a reputation with the customer and, he will be inclined to buy a new phone (or Apple Device).
Different people have different tolerance. For example, I know people who likes to theoretically keep there iPhones till they are unstable or completely outdated anymore ([eg, a friend bought a 3GS brand new and, kept it until this year due to the lack of apps supported by iOS 4 and the mediocre battery life she was getting!]) Other people I know are not tolerant at all. [another friend every single year, has to have the biggest[in storage] and newest iPhone just because, he can't stand having "outdated" technology.]
Thus, there are 2 gotya moments in the Apple Cycle. First, there is the one of "outdated" os. Apps have to be engineered to run on the newest software first and, is optional for the older ones. [If you update to a newer major version, you loose performance vs it's predecessor]
Then there is when a product becomes "antiquated" which happens after X years.
I wasn't believer of planned obsolescence until my Air 2 started to stutter with iOS 9. As I had said earlier, iPhone 5S, 6, 6S, iPad Air 1, iPad Air 2 have no business to stutter while performing basic UI transitions. If they are actually incapable of that, such transition animations must be promptly removed from iOS.
I am finding it amusing the way, the tone of apologists is changing. First they denied P.O. outright. Then they fought bitterly. But when we presented them with 60 fps evidence, they have started to give off "uhh just deal with it" vibe.
It's only evidence of the device performing worse on ios9 than on earlier iOS versions. And the rest is speculation. Period.
Imo it is much more likely that iOS software is getting worse in certain areas. Complex software systems often get worse the more code is added. Software designs, which were good at the time, might not be suitable for newly added features, but there is not enough time to redesign, so things are getting crammed in. Been there done it. Good code becomes, complicated. Bad software is like a weed, once it starts growing it infiltrates the rest.
Or see the mDNSResponder/discoveryd fiasco on OS X where, new software performed worse than old one.
Software Engineering on the scale of an OS is hard. Not that this is excusing the iOS quality and problems experienced, but this explanations seems more likely than P.O. to me.
Even with that completely non-proportional analogy, did Ford ever change the Model T to make it run worse as it got older?
Even if you argue that a car's aging is analogous to an iPhone slow-down, at least you have the option to repair and restore an old car to its original condition. iPhone performance decays and Apple forces you to stick with the latest version, with no opportunity to make it work as it did when it was new.
Of course. But the "tin foil" people like to throw this rubbish around as if it's a proven fact.
Yeah, cos Apple are really going to confirm to the world they're deliberately shortening the lifecycle of peoples devices with their software.
Right under the guise of supporting mobile hardware for four years +they secretly are reducing the lifespan. You saw right through Apple. Bravo!Yeah, cos Apple are really going to confirm to the world they're deliberately shortening the lifecycle of peoples devices with their software.
Obviously.The iPhone 4s should have been dumped on iOS 7 but since the vast majority of apps are still available for that OS,if the iPhone 4s turned out to be fast people would never upgrade hence they crippled it with 8 and put a nail in the coffin with 9Right under the guise of supporting mobile hardware for four years +they secretly are reducing the lifespan. You saw right through Apple. Bravo!
Complete rubbish. 4+ years of support is not a nail in the coffin by any stretch.
I agree something is fishy. The iPhone 4 maxed out at iOS 7.1.2 because it could not handle iOS 8. Theoretically then, the 4S should of been dropped at iOS 9 (and the iPod Touch 5th gen and, especially the iPad 2.) However, because they were all so popular, Apple did not kill off any of the supported devices for iOS 9.x!
I even find it interesting that the iPad 1 maxed out at iOS 5.x and, the iPad 2 is still supported on iOS 9.x (because it is popular in 3rd world countries)! This makes me agree with your new inference. If a Apple product is not popular anymore (usage numbers), support for it drops (from receiving a newer major iOS Upgrade!)
I think it's time to research this concept more to investigate this theory
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I agree something is fishy. The iPhone 4 maxed out at iOS 7.1.2 because it could not handle iOS 8. Theoretically then, the 4S should of been dropped at iOS 9 (and the iPod Touch 5th gen and, especially the iPad 2.) However, because they were all so popular, Apple did not kill off any of the supported devices for iOS 9.x!
I even find it interesting that the iPad 1 maxed out at iOS 5.x and, the iPad 2 is still supported on iOS 9.x (because it is popular in 3rd world countries)! This makes me agree with your new inference. If a Apple product is not popular anymore (usage numbers), support for it drops (from receiving a newer major iOS Upgrade!)
I think it's time to research this concept more to investigate this theory
I don't think I can support this theory, Apple decided to extend support because they can see how rivals (Google) have managed to pull it off with only 512MB RAM. It's not a matter of popularity, it is a matter of the devices can handle it. I've seen people with A5 devices saying 9.x isn't too much of a decrease in performance, and I'm sure optimizing it will be key as 9 matures. 10 is when A5 will be cut off because 10 should be all 64bit and iOS default apps should be written in Swift 2.0
And how many of those years were dedicated to slowing the device under the guise of "support"?
iPad Mini 1 is slower than a $100 Android Tablet.They should never have supported it beyond 7.
Personally, I just don't understand the whole planned obsolescence argument. People complain that in Android land it's so hard to come by OS updates. In iOS land, people complain OS updates slow down older devices. Isn't this to be expected? They're older devices. I'd rather get updates and deal with potentially slower devices than be in Android land with zero updates.