Planned Obsolescence...

[oldmacs]

Launching an app faster, which is what you are referring to, does not equate to better usability. Having safari not crash is an example of what I'm referring to.

And as I said, Safari has crashed about 4 times in the last year of iOS 8 for me. Safari still loads pages slower, reloads more and keeps pages opened less. Sure the fact that iOS 9 launches apps slower is one part of it being slower, but not the only thing.

Safari not crashing is stability - not performance.

Absolutely.
Still have to see iOS 9 crashing on any of my iDevices....

And I've had it crash all my devices - Notifications centre is quite buggy to thee extent that I was clearing notifications, it started flashing, then the phone completely crashed. Occurred 6 times on my phone and 3 times across two different iPads (Mini 2 and 2).

Max(IT) and I7guy - I have to stop arguing otherwise I'll still be doing so for weeks. I have an important exam to study for so thanks for the debate, apologies if I was rude but I'll have to stop now before I get sucked in

 

[I7guy]

And as I said, Safari has crashed about 4 times in the last year of iOS 8 for me. Safari still loads pages slower, reloads more and keeps pages opened less. Sure the fact that iOS 9 launches apps slower is one part of it being slower, but not the only thing.

Safari not crashing is stability - not performance.

Safari not crashing is usability. IOS 9 overall is more usable than IOS 8; it flows better and feels better to use. Can you post a video of browsing macrumors on ios 8.4.1 vs ios 9 for about 5 minutes on an ipad 2. I would be interested to see the results. My benchmark on performance is not serial app openings and closings.

Max(IT) and I7guy - I have to stop arguing otherwise I'll still be doing so for weeks. I have an important exam to study for so thanks for the debate, apologies if I was rude but I'll have to stop now before I get sucked in

Methinks you are already in it.

 

[oldmacs]

Methinks you are already in it.

Oh believe me I am

Safari not crashing is usability. IOS 9 overall is more usable than IOS 8; it flows better and feels better to use. Can you post a video of browsing macrumors on ios 8.4.1 vs ios 9 for about 5 minutes on an ipad 2. I would be interested to see the results. My benchmark on performance is not serial app openings and closings.

If I have time I will..

My benchmarking for iOS is not just app opening times, however they do contribute to making the whole OS feel slow. My overall evaluation of iOS 9 is based on: Animations, app loading time, speed within apps etc.

 

[Max(IT)]

Max(IT) and I7guy - I have to stop arguing otherwise I'll still be doing so for weeks. I have an important exam to study for so thanks for the debate, apologies if I was rude but I'll have to stop now before I get sucked in

Good luck with your exam.
Maybe if you are getting good results you'll be awarded with a newer iPhone/iPad

 

[Radon87000]

LOL.I wouldn't wish my iPad Mini 1 with iOS 9 on my worst enemy

 

[oldmacs]

Good luck with your exam.
Maybe if you are getting good results you'll be awarded with a newer iPhone/iPad

Thanks!! Sadly not I'm at Uni, so well passed the age of rewards for good marks hahah

I will be buying myself an iPad Air 3 (when they come out) as my graduation present though!

To be honest, I've had the iPad 2 for so long that I don't want to give it up... I love it too much.. Wish I could hack an iPad Air 2 inside it.

 

[Max(IT)]

Thanks!! Sadly not I'm at Uni, so well passed the age of rewards for good marks hahah

I will be buying myself an iPad Air 3 as my graduation present though!

I'm rewarding my son even if he's roughly your age.

Are we going to see an iPad Air 3 ? Who knows....

 

[oldmacs]

I'm rewarding my son even if he's roughly your age.

Are we going to see an iPad Air 3 ? Who knows....

I think we'll see an iPad Air 3... I hope its essentially an iPad Pro (in terms of performance) shrunk down.

 

[mulatosnarf]

Read the link you provided: it's just ridiculous and not something I want to do with any of my devices (I don't even have a Pc in my house).....
Good look in explaining to my sister, owners of my former Nexus 5, how to do that...

Who do you think you are ?
A superior human being because you use android ?
Your phrase imply us iPhone users are dumb and somewhat inferior....
Dude, reality check: I most probably used more android devices than you, started from 1.5 version a long time ago.

I now used a 6s

However iOS is known to be simple while android a bit more complicated but downgrading a nexus is supremely easy

 

[mulatosnarf]

Nexus would be the android equivalent to an iPhone and they both have their issues.

Now since I have owned my 6s I have noticed both are laggy and have hardware issues.
However to downgrade a nexus is easy it requires a little knowledge of adb

 

[C DM]

What a surprise, yet another thread degenerates to the same old lag arguments back and forth, as if rehashing them for the nth time is going to result in anything new or different that what is already in plenty of other recent threads with the same thing in them.

 

[mulatosnarf]

What a surprise, yet another thread degenerates to the same old lag arguments back and forth, as if rehashing them for the nth time is going to result in anything new or different that what is already in plenty of other recent threads with the same thing in them.

Yup

 

[I7guy]

This thread is different, it started out with the proposition that apple has a hidden agenda called "planned obsolescence" and the way they get there is by introducing lag and stutter in new operating systems, purposefully, on older hardware. See how we got to this point?

 

[sanke1]

Planned obsolesence is real. No matter how much Apple fanboys deny it.

Apple will PURPOSELY leave 1 or 2 animations stuttery or laggy for devices 1 generation older.

For example,
1) iPad Air 1 was flawless on iOS 7. But when iOS 8 came out, it started to stutter in Safari when keyboard was brought up. Safari was really painful to use.
2) Now iPad Air 2 was also flawless on iOS 8 throughout. People even joked that it's ridiculously overpowered for the software that runs it. But then came iOS 9! It caused stutter on it during multitasking animation.

So there will always be that 1 magical animation somewhere which will lag, stutter or do both.

Apple is not trying to be obvious with their approach, but that is enough to convince people which is the better product during side by side comparison in the store. People are already on the fence leaning towards the upgrade to a newer device. This provices just the right amount of nudge to tip the scales in Apple's favor.

I openly challenge all Apple fanboys here to prove to me that the above 2 scenarios are false and are some figment of my imagination.

 

[Radon87000]

This thread is different, it started out with the proposition that apple has a hidden agenda called "planned obsolescence" and the way they get there is by introducing lag and stutter in new operating systems, purposefully, on older hardware. See how we got to this point?

It makes total business sense for them to do so.Doubly so for those with Watch

Planned obsolesence is real. No matter how much Apple fanboys deny it.

Apple will PURPOSELY leave 1 or 2 animations stuttery or laggy for devices 1 generation older.

For example,
1) iPad Air 1 was flawless on iOS 7. But when iOS 8 came out, it started to stutter in Safari when keyboard was brought up. Safari was really painful to use.
2) Now iPad Air 2 was also flawless on iOS 8 throughout. People even joked that it's ridiculously overpowered for the software that runs it. But then came iOS 9! It caused stutter on it during multitasking animation.

So there will always be that 1 magical animation somewhere which will lag, stutter or do both.

Apple is not trying to be obvious with their approach, but that is enough to convince people which is the better product during side by side comparison in the store. People are already on the fence leaning towards the upgrade to newer device. This provices just the right amount of nudge to tip the scales in Apple's favor.

I openly challenge all Apple fanboys here to prove to me that the above 2 scenarios are false and are some figment of my imagination.

Watch as they come up with the no lag fallacy

 

[Act3]

Planned obsolesence is real. No matter how much Apple fanboys deny it.

Apple will PURPOSELY leave 1 or 2 animations stuttery or laggy for devices 1 generation older.

For example,
1) iPad Air 1 was flawless on iOS 7. But when iOS 8 came out, it started to stutter in Safari when keyboard was brought up. Safari was really painful to use.
2) Now iPad Air 2 was also flawless on iOS 8 throughout. People even joked that it's ridiculously overpowered for the software that runs it. But then came iOS 9! It caused stutter on it during multitasking animation.

So there will always be that 1 magical animation somewhere which will lag, stutter or do both.

Apple is not trying to be obvious with their approach, but that is enough to convince people which is the better product during side by side comparison in the store. People are already on the fence leaning towards the upgrade to a newer device. This provices just the right amount of nudge to tip the scales in Apple's favor.

I openly challenge all Apple fanboys here to prove to me that the above 2 scenarios are false and are some figment of my imagination.

What about those seeing lag in some animations on the iPhone 6s?

 

[sanke1]

Watch as they come up with the no lag fallacy

That's why I have given 2 SOLID examples. I am waiting for valid explanations.

@Act3
We have iPhone 6S in house. So far, it's perfectly flawless. The only delay is while popping force touch animation. But animations themselves do not stutter to be obvious.

The control center stutter is on all 64 bit Metal based devices except iPad Air 2. It is least noticeable on 6S and that too if we try to look very hard. This itself is puzzling that how iPhone 5c gets the same animation of control center menu pull up running at 60 fps? But more powerful devices suffer? All this stuff is mind boggling.

 

[dukebound85]

That's why I have given 2 SOLID examples. I am waiting for valid explanations.

Your "examples" are nothing but "opinions" you realize right?

 

[I7guy]

It makes total business sense for them to do so.Doubly so for those with Watch

There is a concept called planned obsolescence but it has more to do with cost control rather emptying the customers wallet due to sneaky tactics. Of course, it makes sense for all business owners to "cheat" their customers, right? Not really apple per-se.

Planned obsolesence is real. No matter how much Apple fanboys deny it.

Apple will PURPOSELY leave 1 or 2 animations stuttery or laggy for devices 1 generation older.

For example,
1) iPad Air 1 was flawless on iOS 7. But when iOS 8 came out, it started to stutter in Safari when keyboard was brought up. Safari was really painful to use.
2) Now iPad Air 2 was also flawless on iOS 8 throughout. People even joked that it's ridiculously overpowered for the software that runs it. But then came iOS 9! It caused stutter on it during multitasking animation.

So there will always be that 1 magical animation somewhere which will lag, stutter or do both.

Apple is not trying to be obvious with their approach, but that is enough to convince people which is the better product during side by side comparison in the store. People are already on the fence leaning towards the upgrade to a newer device. This provices just the right amount of nudge to tip the scales in Apple's favor.

I openly challenge all Apple fanboys here to prove to me that the above 2 scenarios are false and are some figment of my imagination.

It makes total business sense for them to do so.Doubly so for those with Watch

Your "examples" are nothing but "opinions" you realize right?

Not even "opinions", hyperbole with nothing behind them.

 

[sanke1]

Your "examples" are nothing but "opinions" you realize right?

Not opinions, so many people have complained about exact same issue.

Even if they are opinions, what was your point? Opinions don't count?

@Radon87000
You were right! Fallacy is here.

 

[I7guy]

Not opinions, so many people have complained about exact same issue.

Even if they are opinions, what was your point? Opinions don't count?

@Radon87000
You were right! Fallacy is here.

Oh, it sounded like a fact. Sorry I misconstrued it.

 

[Act3]

There is a concept called planned obsolescence but it has more to do with cost control rather emptying the customers wallet due to sneaky tactics. Of course, it makes sense for all business owners to "cheat" their customers, right? Not really apple per-se.







Not even "opinions", hyperbole with nothing behind them.

kind of like the hyperbole with how bad safari stability was with iOS 8.4.1 ?

 

[I7guy]

kind of like the hyperbole with how bad safari stability was with iOS 8.4.1 ?

Safari and 8.4.1 was more of a given; even Apple said it worked on the javascript code in IOS 9.

 

[C DM]

Round and round we go...

 

[Cakefish]

iPad Air 2 is still the flagship 9.7" Apple tablet. Would they really purposely bog it down when the busy shopping season approaches? Someone looking for an iPad isn't necessarily going to go for the very expensive Pro model, because cost and weight.

I think we'll see an iPad Air 3... I hope its essentially an iPad Pro (in terms of performance) shrunk down.

It won't be. The A9X was designed specifically for the Pro, meaning the larger battery that goes with it. The A9X in its current form would be too power hungry for a 9.7" iPad. So it'll have to be downclocked at the very least, that much is guaranteed.

Just as the Mini 4 couldn't handle the A8X so they plopped an A8 inside it instead. Well, it could have I'd they'd made it a little thicker but Apple only goes thicker when there's no other option (iPad 3/iPad 4 and the Retina displays).